question Is "Save the Earth" a lie?

Mike Goodman said:

If it is a much larger cohort of interested and wealthier parties, however? Three fifths of the earth's land mass is covered in inert, useless sand or equally useless impoverished soil. Desert. When more people are aware of that being turned into valuable, productive land? I think it could catch on.

As I mooted earlier, plastic is separate problem. There is a profitable method available now for recycling all plastics. Clearing up what is now waste plastic products, littering the land and the oceans and causing a hazard for wildlife and humanity in both, can provide gainful employment for millions. The oil output from recycling is pure enough for immediate re-use, reducing the need for extracting crude. Again, it needs to catch on. The resources required are not cheap by any means, but once the capital is invested they are very profitable.

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Yes,
I think it will take philanthropists like Gates, Buffett, Bloomberg (perhaps even Musk and Bezos in the future) to actually put up the money, their time and effort and get everyone on board to do something.

CraigD said:

Yes,
I think it will take altruistic philanthropists like Gates, Buffett, Bloomberg (perhaps even Musk and Bezos in the future) to actually put up the money, their time and effort and get everyone on board to do something.

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Money by itself is not enough, you also need the right kind of mindset,

As the matter of fact perhaps that's exactly what is wrong with the way that the world is right now,

Why should money be an obstacle in the way of being able to do the right thing.

Some things are too important to be left under the control of money, such as the future of Humanity and our Home Planet.

IMO

oldtimer said:

Money by itself is not enough, you also need the right kind of mindset,

As the matter of fact perhaps that's exactly what is wrong with the way that the world is right now,

Why should money be an obstacle in the way of being able to do the right thing.

Some things are too important to be left under the control of money, such as the future of Humanity and our Home Planet.

IMO

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Yes I agree, but in my 'old' age, I've also become a realist.

A gaggle of poor hippies won't achieve much.

Recognised leaders with money, contacts, business and organisational skills are required.

“Power attracts the worst & corrupts the best”

oldtimer said:

Money by itself is not enough, you also need the right kind of mindset,

As the matter of fact perhaps that's exactly what is wrong with the way that the world is right now,

Why should money be an obstacle in the way of being able to do the right thing.

Some things are too important to be left under the control of money, such as the future of Humanity and our Home Planet.

IMO

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The actual response will be measured in how it affects the bottom line. Time is money. Unfortunately businesses and the public will require either monitary incentive or stricter government regulation, otherwise the motivation will not be there. Seeking financial gains over environmental protection, neglecting and/or denying the consequences, collectively the short-sightedness is costing time.

CraigD said:

Yes I agree, but in my 'old' age, I've also become a realist.

A gaggle of poor hippies won't achieve much.

Recognised leaders with money, contacts, business and organisational skills are required.

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I am not a hippie, but I was recently surprised to find out how much the hippies back in the 60's were into quantum physics. (google it)

Nevertheless we need the collective power and resources of all the Governments around the World to be able to tackle the issues with the Environment.

IMO

Cannuck said:

The actual response will be measured in how it affects the bottom line. Time is money. Unfortunately businesses and the public will require either monitary incentive or stricter government regulation, otherwise the motivation will not be there. Seeking financial gains over environmental protection, neglecting and/or denying the consequences, collectively the short-sightedness is costing time.

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Time is money because that’s how we learned but surprisingly time is not money ...they are two different things

oldtimer said:

I am not a hippie, but I was recently surprised to find out how much the hippies back in the 60's were into quantum physics. (google it)

Nevertheless we need the collective power and resources of all the Governments around the World to be able to tackle the issues with the Environment.

IMO

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Their appropriation of quantum physics involved a lot of cherry picking and acid consumption

"Philanthropists" as you like to call them have a separate agenda. They tend to be stupid enough to believe they know what is best and that inevitably involves them becoming richer. It also involves them orchestrating events.

This will need coordinated individuals in very large groups to force political consensus from equally egotistic politicians to pave the legal and regulatory paths for local action. The mind boggles at the thought of self-annointed "leaders" such as Gates imposing dictats on what has to be a natural progression. It will take good sense to listen, to engage, to respond positively to local geographic, topological and weather conditions.

The "American way" has left far too many of its own citizens by the wayside. There is a very wide middle ground between outright corporate thinking, with its myth that everyone can live the American Dream and the outright centralist way of the East, which is equally damaging in so many, but different, ways. This project requires an acknowledgement that government is not necessarily evil and that corporatism does not have all the answers. It also requires the centralists to keep an arms length approach and allow localism to do its own thing.

The one lasting lesson from the 20th century is that neither big government nor big capitalism works. That may be harder to see when living in the midst of either. But it is starkly clear when looking in from the outside.

CraigD said:

Their appropriation of quantum physics involved a lot of cherry picking and acid consumption

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Well at least they were aware of certain aspects of quantum physics long before the general public even learned about it.

IMO

Disclaimer: I don't use any mind altering drugs and I don't condone others using it either.

Interesting chat guys. A lot to think about!

It's almost midnight here, so I'm off to bed.

Stay safe and healthy

I'm an old hippie. I didn't do acid, but I do grow my own medicine. In the process I learned how to both harvest from and appreciate nature. On the other hand, I have also had a hand in the development of robotics, fiber optics, tidal, solar and wind power generation in application to earth science. One can live close to nature and still be high tech. The unfortunate part is, unless you have a decent bankroll, you're relegated to low tech. That's where the majority of earth's population is, so low tech solutions are required.

LoodeX said:

Time is money because that’s how we learned but surprisingly time is not money ...they are two different things

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I agree, but we need money to survive. Many people are riddled in debt and live paycheck to paycheck. In real terms, the average American has over $90K of personal debt and the national debt over $14 Trillion. The interest on the debt is measured in time. I would say that pretty well equates to the environmental debt left for future generations.

Cannuck said:

I agree, but we need money to survive. Many people are riddled in debt and live paycheck to paycheck. In real terms, the average American has over $90K of personal debt and the national debt over $14 Trillion. The interest on the debt is measured in time. I would say that pretty well equates to the environmental debt left for future generations.

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Money is the root of evil

they have to have at least three alternative paths for electricity at all times, hydro, wind, and solar, while one is down, the others have to kick in. imo.

Imo the paths are written on this planet

So many good ideas and thoughts, I am impressed,

Only if we could unleash the power of everyone else's mind here to also think about the future of Humanity and our Home Planet.

IMO

I guess this is somewhat interesting

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/astronomers-observe-death-distant-galaxy-first-time/

While written some years ago by a highly qualified author, who unfortunately is no longer alive, this book, Sustainable Energy: Without The Hot Air, has many insights related to the topics in this long thread.

https://www.withouthotair.com/

While they do sell the book, section by section it can be read free on the site linked above.

What I liked most is, it tries to distinguish what life choices we can each make and which ones really have little impact and which make a significant difference, while at same time suggest what governments and foundations need to do (he was UK Energy Advisor, or something like that title, for some period).

Bob

Hi

what humans still don't get,
is that nature, is the highest tech.

reject it's ability to adapt, as it has
while you're trying to construct adaptive technology

she will always be,
and if not..... neither will you

imo....

WhoaDomain.com said:

Sorry the video I linked to was deleted. Here another one. Hope this does not get deleted too.

Just in case just Google "Planet of the Humans"

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This video got deleted too.
Google “Cancel Culture”

Bob Hawkes said:

While written some years ago by a highly qualified author, who unfortunately is no longer alive, this book, Sustainable Energy: Without The Hot Air, has many insights related to the topics in this long thread.

https://www.withouthotair.com/

While they do sell the book, section by section it can be read free on the site linked above.

What I liked most is, it tries to distinguish what life choices we can each make and which ones really have little impact and which make a significant difference, while at same time suggest what governments and foundations need to do (he was UK Energy Advisor, or something like that title, for some period).

Bob

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Good reference Bob!

“Avoiding dangerous climate change” is impossible – dangerous climate change is already here. The question is, can we avoid catastrophic climate change?

David King, UK Chief Scientist, 2007

https://www.withouthotair.com/

See Section 31: pp 240-248

lock said:

Damn hot that is why i like to play with water. Actually it has been coolest summer in memory and haven't been really fried this year. Usually would get burn't badly in one day.
I think we will be closing borders over covid for years here and control it. Travel industry is doomed and i am seeing domains dropping in industry it will be all local sooner or later.

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This makes two Aussie summers I have missed out on.

Last years summer I was cooped up at home struggling to breathe because of the smoke from the east-coast fires.

This year we are restricted because of Covid, and we are in an La Nina season where it rains almost every afternoon.

Spending my time playing guitar and reading NP - it could be worse

Pyramid is the circle of life

LoodeX said:

Pyramid is the circle of life

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A pyramid is a structure with a square or triangular base and sloping sides that meet in a point at the top.
A circle a consists of points equidistant from a fixed point from the centre.