The USA Political Thread

.X. said:

something tells me all this is going to a cover up ... including Joes stuff from Mr . Bobulinski

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They will try. Mark my words, they will all pick it up after Nov 3rd if Biden "somehow" wins.

I really hope Trump wins by a landslide.

For the less sensitive among us; Rush talking about the debate
https://therightscoop.com/listen-live-to-rush-limbaughs-presidential-debate-analysis/

Juan Williams, like 90% of the media and democrats denies reality on Fox today.

https://www.air.tv/watch?v=MAlCIuLRTN-zFRCNrNugsQ

mr-x said:

Canada has oil sands. How much tax are you paying on fuel oil? Inflation? How much fuel oil are you importing?

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Oil sands are the most environmentally destructive means of production. Canada is incrementally reducing greenhouse gas emissions from its oil sands deposits in attempt to win back investors.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...-is-growing-but-indigenous-people-fight-back/

https://boereport.com/2020/10/14/banks-and-insurers-shun-canadas-oil-sands/

It vary province by province, tax ranges between 26% - 31% Federal + Provincial (combined)

https://assets.kpmg/content/dam/kpmg/pdf/2015/03/A-Guide-to-Oil-and-Gas-Taxation-in-Canada-web.pdf

Oil sands are located in Alberta which exports oil to to USA (74%) and other provinces of Canada (11%). Currently Alberta is seeing a huge downturn in the economy, liquor sales will top petroleum revenues in 2020.

https://open.alberta.ca/dataset/b8f...oil-production-and-where-it-goes-formated.pdf

In the north, 100% of fuel oil is imported on winter roads which are melting due to the impact of global warming. It is imperative that alternative sustainable energy sources be initiated.

mr-x said:

You can google middle class wages for yourself.

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Middle class wages and disparities also differ state by state, it has not changed dramatically,but the buying power has been reduced. This won't affect higher incomes as much as those in lower income brackets.

https://www.thestreet.com/personal-finance/what-is-middle-class-14833259

Cannuck said:

Oil sands are the most environmentally destructive means of production. Canada is incrementally reducing greenhouse gas emissions from its oil sands deposits in attempt to win back investors.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...-is-growing-but-indigenous-people-fight-back/

https://boereport.com/2020/10/14/banks-and-insurers-shun-canadas-oil-sands/

It vary province by province, tax ranges between 26% - 31% Federal + Provincial (combined)

https://assets.kpmg/content/dam/kpmg/pdf/2015/03/A-Guide-to-Oil-and-Gas-Taxation-in-Canada-web.pdf

Oil sands are located in Alberta which exports oil to to USA (74%) and other provinces of Canada (11%). Currently Alberta is seeing a huge downturn in the economy, liquor sales will top petroleum revenues in 2020.

https://open.alberta.ca/dataset/b8f...oil-production-and-where-it-goes-formated.pdf

In the north, 100% of fuel oil is imported on winter roads which are melting due to the impact of global warming. It is imperative that alternative sustainable energy sources be initiated.

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Yeah.. America doesn't have to import oil now.

Middle class wages and disparities also differ state by state, it has not changed dramatically,but the buying power has been reduced. This won't affect higher incomes as much as those in lower income brackets.

https://www.thestreet.com/personal-finance/what-is-middle-class-14833259

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Wages went up but it won't affect those in lower bla bla bla.

Trump not only created new jobs Barack Obama said were gone for ever, he increased opportunities for entrepreneurs and small business.

WAGES WENT UP. POVERTY WENT DOWN. You spin, bitch all you want. That's the truth.

The difference between conservative / free market conservation and reactionary left wing climate politices.

The right:
Leverage free market alternatives, invest in what works, eliminate what doesn't. Encourage entrepreneurs to create businesses around cleaning / recycling with subsidies and tax breaks.

The left:
Raise the price of fossil fuel until solar and wind energy are competitive. Raise taxes on roads and require new products to meet standards that solve 10% of the problem.

Make federal agencies use new "stricter" interpretations of rules passed by congress to regulate land use. Regulate water use. Don't let people build dry wells or conserve rain water for later use because that water needs to flow into rivers to the ocean.

But don't require the worst polluters, i.e. China to follow those rules because that would be racist.

Barack Obama tried to do everything listed under "the left"

mr-x said:

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I seriously hope we don’t have a civil war ... but I think we will more than I think we won’t ... people have wondered ... why would you burn down cities ... graffiti them up... steal from stores because a police officer killed someone??? Wouldn’t they go to all the police precincts and bring the violence there... that where the beef lies ... instead they have burned down pure innocent people’s businesses, looted stores that people depend on for their supplies ... burned cars to the ground that have no connection to any police brutality or police shootings ..... disrupted and closed citizens road ways and highways that is keeping people that have nothing to do with police from being able to pass these roadways to get to work and commute to their destinations.... keeping people in their homes where they protest... burn.. loot and anarchy ... keeping people up all night that live on the areas they stay out all night and do their yelling ... burning and anarchy ...

the Democrats have not only condoned this for going into 8 months now .. they have encouraged it as well... all this on innocent citizens that have done nothing to these paid thugs ... marxists ... Communist followers and believers.

I hope America doesn’t do like Liberia did over elections with having a civil war ... but it more looks it will than it won’t . What is America worth to the people who love it?? Their lives if necessary ...

mr-x said:

The difference between conservative / free market conservation and reactionary left wing climate politices.

The right:
Leverage free market alternatives, invest in what works, eliminate what doesn't. Encourage entrepreneurs to create businesses around cleaning / recycling with subsidies and tax breaks.

The left:
Raise the price of fossil fuel until solar and wind energy are competitive. Raise taxes on roads and require new products to meet standards that solve 10% of the problem.

Make federal agencies use new "stricter" interpretations of rules passed by congress to regulate land use. Regulate water use. Don't let people build dry wells or conserve rain water for later use because that water needs to flow into rivers to the ocean.

But don't require the worst polluters, i.e. China to follow those rules because that would be racist.

Barack Obama tried to do everything listed under "the left"

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Do you consider facts or simply ignore them?

What has worked in the past may not work well in the future. Investing in pro-active entrepreneurial endeavors, providing incentives for small business is a good thing. Fossil fuels will not go away anytime soon. That is not in question. Fracking has proven to be a source of water pollution and environmental destruction, especially through expansion into protected Federal Wildlife refuges. Providing jobs in new technology and developing sectors allows for free-market competition, more importantly, employment.

Government regulations need to be based on evidence. Enforcing stricter guidelines on heavy polluters is smart. Allowing industrial giants like China to have free reign without enforcement is stupid. The only way USA will be able to have any leverage on countries like China is if they lead by example. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Somebody is lying their ass off again in this thread.

Facts

Indictments
Obama/Biden - 0

Trump - 6 people with 58-81 charges

Trump was also impeached

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...ore-criminal-indictments-under-trump-reagan-/

Trump is corrupt as hell, we've been just going thru it the last 4 years as it pops up.

But people who lie to the point of literally lying about lying, tend to lie a lot.

Charges: Boogaloo Bois fired on Minneapolis police precinct, shouted 'Justice for Floyd'
Feds say Ivan Harrison Hunter helped burn and loot the Third Precinct building as part of a coordinated attack from the far-right group trying to ignite an American civil war.
https://www.startribune.com/charges...precinct-shouted-justice-for-floyd/572843802/

Trump's face when he got the response. Bibi sees what's coming.

Pa. Supreme Court rules mail ballots cannot be rejected based on signature comparison
https://whyy.org/articles/pa-suprem...ot-be-rejected-based-on-signature-comparison/

Laptop story continues to fall apart

Biden deaded the killing oil claims

OMG Pennsylvania
* early mail-in voting by party affiliation:
Democrats - 1,031,663
Republicans - 295,430
Independents - 125,002
This is now a quarter of the 2016 vote!

JB Lions said:

Somebody is lying their ass off again in this thread.

Facts

Indictments
Obama/Biden - 0

Trump - 6 people with 58-81 charges

Trump was also impeached

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...ore-criminal-indictments-under-trump-reagan-/

Trump is corrupt as hell, we've been just going thru it the last 4 years as it pops up.

But people who lie to the point of literally lying about lying, tend to lie a lot.

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@JB Lions - there is truth to what you say. Can you recall any post where I have been pro-Biden or even pro-Liberal? If so, then call me on that, please. Personally I would feel like I am interfering in the election by supporting one side in particular, considering I am not a citizen of the United States. I am a global citizen and I support the Green Party (which would benefit everyone). That sounds socialist, but have I been pro-Socialist? I don't believe so. I have said that there are positive benefits to having social programs like medicare and unemployment insurance - that is why we pay taxes IMO. Otherwise, I would say to hell with taxes and let me make my own medicine, which by the way, I do. The only time in recent memory that I have seen a doctor is to get a my medical license to legally grow my own weed. The last time I was in a hospital was to have my appendix removed. They almost got me hooked on opioids after that incident.

I have no malicious intent or wish to interfere whatsoever in US elections, but as a member of NP's, I am consistently being put on guard by those who defend Trump, with whom I have continued to correct on a number of issues. The dissension caused by they who feel they have someone or something to protect, by act of omission or by ignoring fact, and by personally attacking someone who is trying to help illuminate errors, is a blatant disregard for truth IMO. Is that not the purpose of this forum? Agreed, the the way of Trump is not mine, nor will I ever support someone in government who IMO is merely self-seeking, promotes division and consistently lies. Isn't the government supposed to be for the people, not one's self? However you dress it up, if it walks and quacks... well, you know the story.

It’s Official: Trump Unleashed A Middle-Class Boom That Benefited Women, Minorities Most
https://issuesinsights.com/2020/09/...ss-boom-that-benefited-women-minorities-most/

Here’s the rundown:

Median household income reaches all-time high: In 2019, median household income shot up 6.8%, the biggest annual increase since at least 1967. To understand how impressive this is, consider that the next biggest increase was 5% in 2015, which came after five years of declines. (When Barack Obama left office, median household income was essentially where it was back in 2000.) From 1967 to 2018, the average annual increase was a mere 0.6%.

Lower-income families gained the most. Despite the endless chants about how President Donald Trump’s policies benefited only the rich, the truth is that lower-income families made the biggest gains in his first three years in office.

The bottom fifth of households saw their incomes climb 10% under Trump. Those in the next fifth saw incomes rise more than 9%.

The top 5% of households saw their share of total income drop.

As a result, the Census Bureau’s measure of income inequality – the Gini Index – declined in 2018 and 2019.

To follow up, have I been an advocate of cannabis legalization? As a private citizen, in a so-called free society, don't I have the right to choose what I want to do? Why did the government make 420 illegal in the first place? Why do they want to legalize it, other than to monopolize the market and tax it? The stuff those large corporations is SH*T IMO. I rarely smoke cannabis, I grow in order to make it into a topical pain reliever for personal use. I would be a criminal if I sold the goods I grow, unless I jump through all the hoops and have a government permit to do so. There is scientific evidence of it's effectiveness and I know from experience that it works for me. I don't try to push any agenda on others.

Same clown that compared Chief of Neurosurgery and research scientist to a foot doctor. Claimed paper mask would stop a virus smaller than the flu virus and Creepy Porn Lawyer was legit.

JB Lions said:

Somebody is lying their ass off again in this thread.

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Facts

Indictments
Obama/Biden - 0

Trump - 6 people with 58-81 charges

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How many of these have to do with Trumps team? 2. How many have to do with the election 2.

FBI is corrupt and spied on Trump's team for Obama. Deny it... you're just another liar.

Trump was also impeached

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Trump was acquitted. You're still a liar.

Biden has committed every crime you accused Trump of and more. We have the proof.

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...ore-criminal-indictments-under-trump-reagan-/

Trump is corrupt as hell, we've been just going thru it the last 4 years as it pops up.

But people who lie to the point of literally lying about lying, tend to lie a lot.

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Crossfire Hurricane was an attempted coup. Many of the charges were process crimes, crimes democrats including the FBI and CIA walk away from.

You degenerates love to point out the charges against General Flynn and George Papadopoulos but they all stemmed from illegal surveillance. DOJ recommended charges against Flynn be dropped.

You're not interested in justice. Just smug arguments.

Cannuck said:

@JB Lions - there is truth to what you say. Can you recall any post where I have been pro-Biden or even pro-Liberal? If so, then call me on that, please. Personally I would feel like I am interfering in the election by supporting one side in particular, considering I am not a citizen of the United States. I am a global citizen and I support the Green Party (which would benefit everyone). That sounds socialist, but have I been pro-Socialist? I don't believe so. I have said that there are positive benefits to having social programs like medicare and unemployment insurance - that is why we pay taxes IMO. Otherwise, I would say to hell with taxes and let me make my own medicine, which by the way, I do. The only time in recent memory that I have seen a doctor is to get a my medical license to legally grow my own weed. The last time I was in a hospital was to have my appendix removed. They almost got me hooked on opioids after that incident.

I have no malicious intent or wish to interfere whatsoever in US elections, but as a member of NP's, I am consistently being put on guard by those who defend Trump, with whom I have continued to correct on a number of issues. The dissension caused by they who feel they have someone or something to protect, by act of omission or by ignoring fact, and by personally attacking someone who is trying to help illuminate errors, is a blatant disregard for truth IMO. Is that not the purpose of this forum? Agreed, the the way of Trump is not mine, nor will I ever support someone in government who IMO is merely self-seeking, promotes division and consistently lies. Isn't the government supposed to be for the people, not one's self? However you dress it up, if it walks and quacks... well, you know the story.

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your not interfering in anything .... your voice matters ...

mr-x said:

Same clown that compared Chief of Neurosurgery and research scientist to a foot doctor. Claimed paper mask would stop a virus smaller than the flu virus and Creepy Porn Lawyer was legit.





How many of these have to do with Trumps team? 2. How many have to do with the election 2.

FBI is corrupt and spied on Trump's team for Obama. Deny it... you're just another liar.



Trump was acquitted. You're still a liar.

Biden has committed every crime you accused Trump of and more. We have the proof.



Crossfire Hurricane was an attempted coup.

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The Lying about Lying .... it’s a fucking classic ... you gotta give him that much

.X. said:

The Lying about Lying .... it’s a fucking classic ... you gotta give him that much

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I don't give JB Lions anything. He's a liar and a hypocrite.

Well.... so I guess we sit here until Nov 3rd .. Nov 3rd is when ALL the silent majority heads to the Voting both to once again shock the world .... then we go home after voting Nov 3rd and watch the fruit of labors come in and happen