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whitebark · Jul 7, 2008

Domains For Next MyID .ca Auction

These are the upcoming domains and reserve range for the next/current myid.ca auction:

666.ca ($1751 - $2500)
Acrobats.ca ($251 - $500)
affordabletrips.ca ($251 - $500)
AirportRentals.ca ($1001 - $1750)
albertabyowner.ca ($251 - $500)
BridalOnline.ca ($1001 - $1750)
Broke.ca ($5001 - $7500)
CanadianDrugStores.ca ($501 - $750)
CanadianTennis.ca ($1001 - $1750)
CarStore.ca ($1001 - $1750)
CheaperFlights.ca ($101 - $250)
CraftSales.ca ($501 - $750)
DiscountTours.ca ($1001 - $1750)
DivorceTips.ca ($501 - $750)
DownloadFreeRingtone(s).ca ($2 - $100)
DUILawyers.ca ($1001 - $1750)
EasyIncome.ca ($751 - $1000)
EcoVoyage.ca ($251 - $500)
EngineeringCareer.ca ($751 - $1000)
Enlargement(s).ca ($751 - $1000)
ExoticHolidays.ca ($1001 - $1750)
FashionOnline.ca ($2501 - $3750)
Fertiliser.ca ($1001 - $1750)
FitnessJob.ca ($751 - $1000)
FlightSearch.ca ($1001 - $1750)
Freebies.ca ($7501 - $10000)
FreelancingJobs.ca ($2501 - $3750)
FurnitureLiquidation.ca ($751 - $1000)
GayBlog.ca ($251 - $500)
GayCanada.ca ($3751 - $5000)
HealthGuide.ca ($1001 - $1750)
HearingAids.ca ($7501 - $10000)
Hired.ca ($7501 - $10000)
HockeyGame.ca ($1001 - $1750)
homegardens.ca ($251 - $500)
HowToDance.ca ($501 - $750)
iBlogs.ca ($751 - $1000)
InternetHelp.ca ($251 - $500)
InternetPhones.ca ($1751 - $2500)
JFK.ca ($1001 - $1750)
JointVenture.ca ($2501 - $3750)
KitchenWare.ca ($1001 - $1750)
Lake-Ontario.ca ($1001 - $1750)
LogosOnline.ca ($501 - $750)
Mask.ca ($3751 - $5000)
MontrealLaser.ca ($251 - $500)
MontrealTravel.ca ($1001 - $1750)
MusicJob.ca ($751 - $1000)
NutritionJob.ca ($751 - $1000)
OakvilleFlowers.ca ($501 - $750)
OnlineCoupons.ca ($1001 - $1750)
OnlineDates.ca ($2501 - $3750)
OnlineGaming.ca ($2501 - $3750)
OnlineStock.ca ($751 - $1000)
OnlineStocks.ca ($751 - $1000)
OrganicStore.ca ($1751 - $2500)
PharmaceuticalCareer.ca ($751 - $1000)
PizzaRestaurant(s).ca ($101 - $250)
PrivatePilots.ca ($501 - $750)
ProFootball.ca ($251 - $500)
QuebecHoneymoons.ca ($1001 - $1750)
RollerBlading.ca ($5001 - $7500)
SaskatoonRealtors.ca ($101 - $250)
SelfImprovement.ca ($1751 - $2500)
Sensual.ca ($10001 - $15000)
Shareware.ca ($15001 - $25000)
SingleChristian.ca ($251 - $500)
SmallJob.ca ($1001 - $1750)
SNN.ca ($251 - $500)
Snores.ca ($1751 - $2500)
SportsStore.ca ($501 - $750)
TechJobs.ca ($2501 - $3750)
TeddyBear.ca ($1001 - $1750)
Theme.ca ($2501 - $3750)
TNN.ca ($251 - $500)
TorontoComputer.ca ($251 - $500)
TorontoComputers.ca ($251 - $500)
TorontoDentists.ca ($2501 - $3750)
TravelAuction.ca ($2501 - $3750)
UniqueGifts.ca ($2501 - $3750)
UsedHouses.ca ($251 - $500)
UsedLaptops.ca ($1751 - $2500)
Valuable.ca ($501 - $750)
VancouverHomeForSale.ca ($101 - $250)
War.ca ($1751 - $2500)
Women.ca ($50000)

I can see a number of these getting picked up - there a few others I'm surprised they accepted the high reserve and can't see selling because of it. What do you think?

drewd · Oct 1, 2020

Yesterday's results were quite off for sure. We all noticed it.

Take a look at published results of dot-ca-registry (visit their site and click on TBR at top and then on TBR results).

Note CIRA times for dot-ca-registry for the following domains:

bk.ca : 15:00:00.001 ---> granted however to Dynadot at 15:00:00.024
ranger.ca 15:00:00:002 ---> granted however to myreg.ca at 15:00:00.098

It surely looks that Dot-ca-registry should have acquired both domains instead of dynadot and myreg.

When was the last time that we saw top domains going so late in the game?

Every week we have many domains landing a bullseye at 15:00:00.000.

But 15:00:00.024? 15:00:00.098?

I would not be surprised if dot-ca-registry was the one that complained or at least among those who did. I would have definitely done the same.

Or it could be that CIRA caught up the issue on its own. The results are so off and affected so many players that the issue must have been from CIRA side. And in that case, CIRA must cancel the results. You want them to unfairly deprive Dot-ca-registry from its earned wins just to cover its own error?

Everyone of the big players decided to goof off at the same time? How likely is that?

If it walks like a duck and looks like a duck then basically it is a duck.

MapleDots · Oct 1, 2020

DomainRecap said:
Are you really asking this question?

Go look up other Canadian monopolies and you'll understand pretty quick what happens. Honestly, I didn't think hardcore Monopolists were still alive.

And P.S. GoDaddy is not a monopoly, they are just one of many players in the domain industry.

And in a GoDaddy-like .CA system, MyID, Siber, NamesPro, WHC, et al would then auction off their expiring domains privately, without a TBR run, and with the ability to fully manipulate the system without any input from the CIRA. It would be a pure marketplace, with any premium domains already priced to the ceiling.

I don't know why you keep saying monopoly

A CIRA designated entity (which could rotate yearly) would simply run an auction where every TBR domain would go to auction in one spot.
The proceeds of this auction would be divided up by cira and the entity running the auction.

The highest bidder gets the domain, so how could this be a monopoly?
The entity running the auction reports directly to CIRA and nobody cuts in.

If its properly monitored it should work and even make a profit for cira which in turn could get reinvested.
Why must we follow multiple auctions at multiple registrars?

Seriously, I don't think the word monopoly applies here. As long as its open to everyone and run in a fair manner there is no monopoly, it is only when one company has all control that the word monopoly would apply. The entity running the auction is just a service, they themselves would never own the domains, they simply get a reasonable fee for running the platform. When the contract expires cira renews the contract or chooses someone else to run the platform.

Bob Hawkes · Oct 1, 2020

I don't really take part, or know the system, but agree things look like need serious change.

If a system is entirely fair, I tend to agree with @MapleDots that one system can be smoother. However, I also agree with @DomainRecap that monopolies almost always lead to bad things.

If there was only one system, I think it should not be run by any company. Why not CIRA run their own auction system, with, after costs, a fraction going to CIRA and a certain fraction to the previous owner of the domain name (I dislike industry expired auction systems as the owner gets nothing)?

Bob

DomainRecap · Oct 1, 2020

drewd said:
And in that case, CIRA must cancel the results.

No, this constant "cancelling of the TBR runs" has become chronic and the CIRA either needs to fix the system or they need to "let the cards fall where they may" (and send out an updated TOS to that effect), as this whole situation where we start accepting consistent TBR re-runs as if it's "standard operating procedure" is very troubling.

DomainRecap · Oct 1, 2020

MapleDots said:
I don't know why you keep saying monopoly

Because that's what it is.

What do you think it is when a single entity controls an entire business sector?

The end result is ALWAYS increasingly higher prices for consistently lower service, spiraling costs and inefficiencies due to monopoly control and lack of competition, mass abuse of contract negotiations, cost overruns on virtually everything, rampant nepotism and cronyism, and truly horrific abuses of power.

Yeah, let's get that system for the TBR!!

MapleDots · Oct 1, 2020

DomainRecap said:
Because that's what it is.

What do you think it is when a single entity controls an entire business sector?

The end result is ALWAYS increasingly higher prices for consistently lower service, spiraling costs and inefficiencies due to monopoly control and lack of competition, mass abuse of contract negotiations, cost overruns on virtually everything, rampant nepotism and cronyism, and truly horrific abuses of power.

Yeah, let's get that system for the TBR!!

So then CIRA has to be a monopoly right?

Nope... If I don't like CIRA then I will register a .com or a .anything

With domain extensions there are always options and asking the company that runs .ca to take more control and overlook the system to make sure it is fair to everyone does not make it a monopoly.

You and I will not see eye to eye on this one ... unfortunately

Spex · Oct 1, 2020

DomainRecap said:
You are not going to believe this, but the CIRA is going to cancel yesterday's auction (again) and registrars are processing refunds. Looks like someone (cough*MyID*cough) had an issue and complained to their inside man again.

What a joke. The registrars who caught the big names should take action for the lost revenue these names would have generated

DomainRecap · Oct 1, 2020

It's officially over, as Siber and others have cancelled auctions.

I also heard back from the CIRA and they're running an investigation of what happened on their end, but now that everything is being reverted, I don't see how that changes anything from an end customer point of view.

DomainRecap · Oct 1, 2020

MapleDots said:
So then CIRA has to be a monopoly right?

Nope, and there are many different registrars to buy a .CA from, and it's right on their webpage. The CIRA simply oversees the .CA business model in Canada, handles basic infrastructure, support and promotion, and keeps the .CA registries in order.

If the CIRA was the only source to purchase a .CA domain from, then that would be a business monopoly.

MapleDots · Oct 1, 2020

DomainRecap said:
Nope, and there are many different registrars to buy a .CA from, and it's right on their webpage.

If the CIRA was the only source to purchase a .CA domain from, then that would be a monopoly.

And you are correct

However.... I can buy any available .ca from anyone of the assigned registrars.

That cannot be said for the TBR domains, and that is what I am taking about.
If anything it is run like a monopoly now with a couple of entities having almost complete control.

You either assign one neutral company to run TBR where everyone is free to bid or you open it up to a public system where everyone can bid with equal chances of winning.

Right now the entire system is rigged and the entity with the fastest and best scripts wins.

It's all bullshit and the system has to be opened up.

DomainRecap · Oct 1, 2020

Spex said:
What a joke. The registrars who caught the big names should take action for the lost revenue these names would have generated

What bothers me most is this automatic "Scorched Earth" fallback to any technical issue, and someone needs to design a solution that doesn't involve "Releasing the Kraken" every few months.

For example, why not redistribute the top 10-15 domains using the available data, but leave the rest alone? Maybe it's only the top 5 that were really impacted, and why demolish an entire apartment building when you just need a little reno on the 3rd floor?

There has to be a solution preferable to just yelling "BURN IT DOWN" every time the Fury system (or a notable Registrar) experiences a hiccup.

DomainRecap · Oct 1, 2020

MapleDots said:
However.... I can buy any available .ca from anyone of the assigned registrars.

That cannot be said for the TBR domains, and that is what I am taking about.

But the TBR system is free for anyone to join - you or I could become a TBR registrar if we wanted to set up the infrastructure and pay the monthly fee for server links. I actually explored it, but it wasn't feasible in terms of expenses vs. revenue, but it's still an open system that anyone can potentially take part in.

What has happened is that over time *certain* registrars have gotten really good at the TBR system, and reinvested those proceeds back into equipment and additional server links, thereby becoming even better, but that type of innovation and specialization happens in every business sector.

This results in MyID and Siber leading the TBR marketplace, but every area has leaders. It's just the way capitalism works - just by existing, the system automatically creates the have's and the have-not's.

cabotower · Oct 1, 2020

so what happens if i hand reg a name from yesterday's drop? if you check out expireddomains they are all there. i put one all the way through to checkout at gd. if i pull the trigger will it be mine or will cira take it back?

DomainRecap · Oct 1, 2020

The CIRA will definitely claw it back, as this is not their first time on the TBR Cancellation rodeo.

So don't even bother as all you're buying is a hassle.

aactive · Oct 1, 2020

MapleDots said:
So then CIRA has to be a monopoly right?

...Right now the entire system is rigged and the entity with the fastest and best scripts wins.

Shouldn't the entity with the fastest and best scripts win?

drewd · Oct 1, 2020

DomainRecap said:
For example, why not redistribute the top 10-15 domains using the available data, but leave the rest alone? Maybe it's only the top 5 that were really impacted, and why demolish an entire apartment building when you just need a little reno on the 3rd floor?

I agree with you. It would be better to just move the domains registered in first few secs to next week's TBR and leave rest alone. Or maybe restrict the move to domains that were backordered at multiple registrars to next week's TBR and keep rest as they are now.

drewd · Oct 1, 2020

DomainRecap said:
What has happened is that over time *certain* registrars have gotten really good at the TBR system, and reinvested those proceeds back into equipment and additional server links, thereby becoming even better, but that type of innovation and specialization happens in every business sector..

Exactly. Agree as well.

That's why it is definitely not right for CIRA to unfairly deprive companies that pay $$$ for infrastructure and staff for better TBR performance from their earned income and just give it as unearned income to those minor players who do TBR marginally.

Remember that CIRA's clients are the regsitrars and it has the obligation to provide a fair approach to all. CIRA having a technical issue and then penalizing the registrars that pay the most $$$ in infrastructure for it does not strike me as Best Practice for any business.

DomainRecap · Oct 1, 2020

drewd said:
I agree with you. It would be better to just move the domains registered in first few secs to next week's TBR and leave rest alone. Or maybe restrict the move to domains that were backordered at multiple registrars to next week's TBR and keep rest as they are now.

Probably because that is a helluva lot more work compared to just saying "Release the Kraken!"

DomainRecap · Oct 1, 2020

drewd said:
Remember that CIRA's clients are the regsitrars and it has the obligation to provide a fair approach to all. CIRA having a technical issue and then penalizing the registrars that pay the most $$$ in infrastructure for it does not strike me as Best Practice for any business.

Sure, but having a Fury system that consistently fails at what it was expressly designed to do is even worse.

And I'm not saying the run should stand as-is if there are issues, only that in addition to getting their TBR system up to snuff, the CIRA might want to look at using a solution involving a scalpel rather than a hammer.

drewd · Oct 1, 2020

MapleDots said:
And you are correct

However.... I can buy any available .ca from anyone of the assigned registrars.

That cannot be said for the TBR domains, and that is what I am taking about.
If anything it is run like a monopoly now with a couple of entities having almost complete control.

You either assign one neutral company to run TBR where everyone is free to bid or you open it up to a public system where everyone can bid with equal chances of winning.

Right now the entire system is rigged and the entity with the fastest and best scripts wins.

It's all bullshit and the system has to be opened up.

I am puzzled at your comments Mapledots.

I am wondering whether you actually participate in TBR. I am finding it hard to believe that you do participate and yet call for a monopoly. 80% of each week's TBR domains are usually had at $20 or less. You want the minimum price to be $100 at that one company in charge?

Seriously...have you ever participated in TBR?

DomainRecap · Oct 1, 2020

drewd said:
I am puzzled at your comments Mapledots.

This is not a slam, and he has stated as much himself, but Maple exists at the extreme high-end of the .CA market, and would prefer to have a one-stop shopping mall for his premium .CA drops, with no regard to how that would adversely affect the structure of the .CA marketplace or harm the other 99% of the TBR customer base.

His entire TBR list this week consisted of BK.ca and maybe Ranger.ca.

Nothing wrong with that, but we all need to reign in self-interest when it would result in a negative outcome for the majority of Canadians.

drewd · Oct 1, 2020

DomainRecap said:
Sure, but having a Fury system that consistently fails at what it was expressly designed to do is even worse.

And I'm not saying the run should stand as-is if there are issues, only that in addition to getting their TBR system up to snuff, the CIRA might want to look at using a solution involving a scalpel rather than a hammer.

Fully agree but then again..How often does this TBR cancellation happen? Once a year? It is not that common of an occurrence as some comments here suggest it is. Overall it is not really a big issue. The cheap domains will usually end up with the same original person since no one else was interested in them in the first place. I can see some exceptions but the whole issue is not that big of a deal with uncontested domains.

drewd · Oct 1, 2020

I think Dynadot getting bk.ca this week was the worse event in TBR history because they allow anyone to join the auction without having put a bid before deadline. I shudder at the thought of other TBR registrars taking notice and doing same. The competition will suddenly go through the roof and we'll end up paying much much more.

DomainRecap · Oct 1, 2020

drewd said:
Fully agree but then again..How often does this TBR cancellation happen? Once a year?

Maybe if you average it, but it happened twice in very close proximity which heightens the impact. The number of times it should happen is NEVER, and many businesses match that with weekly tasks that require a lot more IT tech and hardware.

Personally, I am speaking for others with my criticism of the CIRA, as we all know that there are a finite number of servers out there, a finite amount of available cash, so it's not hard to guess the positive outcomes when you artificially double the weekly domain count.

But it does hurt lots of people, such a business looking to buy a new domain or get back an old one, and now that the list is public, will certainly going to have greater competition for it the second time around.

nafti · Oct 1, 2020

Here are my thoughts on the whole thing. Normally I hate monopoly’s and 1 Company controlling the whole thing but I believe we need something in place so stuff like this doesn’t happen.

On TBR day, CIRA should release the names to one TBR company with pre-bidding on the names (similar to Sibername). They (TBR company) would then determine the top 25 or so names and then auction them off with different ending times but all within the same day. Different ending times would ensure that you don’t miss a main auction in the top 25. I’m sure there are many faults in this but the system in place now sucks! MyId fell asleep at the wheel (Jesus didn’t take the wheel on this one. Shout out to Carrie Underwood) cried foul and CIRA buckled. Makes me wonder as well if there is some sort of link between the 2.

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