The USA Political Thread

lennco · Jul 20, 2012

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
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2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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JB Lions · Sep 23, 2020

mr-x said:
Knock four to five points off of Biden's lead for biased polls and people not wanting to admit support for President Trump. imo

Polls were accurate, pay attention.

JB Lions · Sep 23, 2020

mr-x said:
Cancel culture is doxing, harassing a persons employer, threatening their lives.

The clueless posting you do. Doxing is doxing, nothing to do with cancel culture. When Trump wants to cancel Goodyear tires, what does doxing have to do with it? Your post makes no sense.

Cancel culture, both sides do it.

According to Dictionary.com, “Cancel culture refers to the popular practice of withdrawing support for (canceling) public figures and companies after they have done or said something considered objectionable or offensive. [It's] generally discussed as being performed on social media in the form of group shaming.”

Do you see the word doxing in there?

So you guys do the cancel culture stuff as well, hypocrites when you cry aboud Dems doing it.

mr-x · Sep 23, 2020

Of course, major media companies wouldn't manipulate polls to influence public opinion. Why do campaigns even bother taking their own polls.

JB Lions · Sep 23, 2020

mr-x said:
Of course, major media companies wouldn't manipulate polls to influence public opinion. Why do campaigns even bother taking their own polls.

Of course .x. doesn't manipulate imaginary polls, of course Trump doesn't lie about them, of course you don't cherry pick polls. The same polls that are already in the average of polls I use.

And then again, was only 1% off last election.

I understand the polls aren't looking good for Trump, so if you need to lie to yourself to get thru the next month and a half, do what you need to do.

Do the Electoral Puzzle, step up to the plate. Show me the Electoral Path to victory for Trump. I broke it down, made it very easy for you guys. Just pick the states that add up the numbers needed.

mr-x · Sep 23, 2020

RE: Breonna Taylor,

Media reporting warrant issued was not a no-knock warrant, after months of reporting it was. Police knocked and announced their intention, **entered and were then fired on.

mr-x · Sep 23, 2020

https://twitter.com/x/status/1308718399997042689

Rick Ace · Sep 23, 2020

The mask discussion probably deserves its own thread and debate. You guys are talking about a medical issue without leaving space for proper scientific discussion.

The truth about masks is that they seem to have a statistical benefit when there is a high risk population. Because they don't have a cure, most scientists advocated for anything that might be useful. If this was 2019, masks wouldn't be thought of as effective. But given the pandemic numbers of 2020, there appears to be a benefit. That's just the gist of it.

You really have to take the politics out to understand what's going on with masks. But if you're going to argue for or against mask mandates/mask policy, then that's not going to be a place to debate the medical effectiveness of masks.

.X. · Sep 23, 2020

JB Lions said:
Of course .x. doesn't manipulate imaginary polls, of course Trump doesn't lie about them, of course you don't cherry pick polls. The same polls that are already in the average of polls I use.

And then again, was only 1% off last election.

I understand the polls aren't looking good for Trump, so if you need to lie to yourself to get thru the next month and a half, do what you need to do.

Do the Electoral Puzzle, step up to the plate. Show me the Electoral Path to victory for Trump. I broke it down, made it very easy for you guys. Just pick the states that add up the numbers needed.

The polls I received every week in 2016 were very accurate as to the reality of the election ... I am going to believe the polls I receive every Sunday are accurate until proven wrong

mr-x · Sep 23, 2020

JB Lions said:
And then again, was only 1% off last election.

Yet you were all shocked

I understand the polls aren't looking good for Trump, so if you need to lie to yourself to get thru the next month and a half, do what you need to do.

Do the Electoral Puzzle, step up to the plate. Show me the Electoral Path to victory for Trump. I broke it down, made it very easy for you guys. Just pick the states that add up the numbers needed.

mr-x · Sep 23, 2020

.X. · Sep 23, 2020

JB Lions said:
Of course .x. doesn't manipulate imaginary polls, of course Trump doesn't lie about them, of course you don't cherry pick polls. The same polls that are already in the average of polls I use.

And then again, was only 1% off last election.

I understand the polls aren't looking good for Trump, so if you need to lie to yourself to get thru the next month and a half, do what you need to do.

Do the Electoral Puzzle, step up to the plate. Show me the Electoral Path to victory for Trump. I broke it down, made it very easy for you guys. Just pick the states that add up the numbers needed.

your last electoral figures showed a complete wallop ... you showed a Biden victory with 354 electoral votes ... that is like Biden is almost running unopposed ... simply not possible at 354

.X. · Sep 23, 2020

mr-x said:
Yet you were all shocked

the polls in 2016 weren’t only crazy wrong... they were inflated to enormous victory for Clinton .... Trump never trailed Clinton after September .... not one week leading to Election Day

mr-x · Sep 23, 2020

Rick Ace said:
The mask discussion probably deserves its own thread and debate. You guys are talking about a medical issue without leaving space for proper scientific discussion.

The truth about masks is that they seem to have a statistical benefit when there is a high risk population. Because they don't have a cure, most scientists advocated for anything that might be useful. If this was 2019, masks wouldn't be thought of as effective. But given the pandemic numbers of 2020, there appears to be a benefit. That's just the gist of it.

You really have to take the politics out to understand what's going on with masks. But if you're going to argue for or against mask mandates/mask policy, then that's not going to be a place to debate the medical effectiveness of masks.

1) China virus is smaller than the flu virus.

2) The only mask rated N95 are effective at blocking a virus.

3) A medical / cloth mask may contain water droplets from breathing & talking but most people will touch their mask several times an hour.

Those are observable facts.

Rick Ace · Sep 23, 2020

mr-x said:
1) China virus is smaller than the flu virus.

2) The only mask rated N95 are effective at blocking a virus.

3) A medical / cloth mask may contain water droplets from breathing & talking but most people will touch their mask several times an hour.

Those are observable facts.

1) That means absolutely nothing from a virology perspective. The only place where size normally comes up is in transmission. It tells us little about the pathology.

2) Also incorrect. Most N95s that are being used today are not approved for "blocking a virus." The current way the CDC has approved these masks is by their filtering quality (not by any proven results against viruses).

3) Congratulations. You've now learned that the main mode of spread is through the air.

I rest my case. It doesn't matter what your politics are... As long as you're trying to understand a virus using politics, you're going to sound clueless.

Disclaimer: I am not arguing for or against any political position. I have little interest in politics. But can we keep the facts on a medical topic straight?

JB Lions · Sep 23, 2020

mr-x said:
Yet you were all shocked

Because...............Electoral College. Do my Electoral Puzzle. Those polls reflect more Popular Vote, it's why it was only 1% off.

Also, Biden is far ahead of Clinton at the same. Even .X. imaginary polls have Biden with an even bigger Popular vote than Hillary.

There is no doubt in my mind Biden will win the Popular vote, even .X. agrees with it.

It's about Electoral College and as you've see from the stuff I posted last night, that's going to be tough for Trump.

JB Lions · Sep 23, 2020

.X. said:
your last electoral figures showed a complete wallop ... you showed a Biden victory with 354 electoral votes ... that is like Biden is almost running unopposed ... simply not possible at 354

Do my puzzle.

@.X. @mr-x

85 from this list for Trump to win:

Pennsylvania (20) - Biden +3.9
New Hampshire (4) - Biden +5.5
Florida (29) - Biden +1.6
Wisconsin (10) - Biden +6.6
Nevada (6) - Biden +6
Michigan (16) - Biden +6.1
Arizona (11) - Biden +5
Ohio (18) - Biden +2.4
North Carolina (15) - Biden +0.6

These all lean Biden right now, some close. Trump has to flip enough states to get 85. Keep in mind, I'm giving Trump the other 3 states where he is leading, some of those leads are slim. So Biden could get those states as well.

JB Lions · Sep 23, 2020

.X. said:
the polls in 2016 weren’t only crazy wrong... they were inflated to enormous victory for Clinton .... Trump never trailed Clinton after September .... not one week leading to Election Day

You keep getting this wrong, like the other thread. 1% off is not enormously inflated. You are confusing prediction sites/betting sites with polls. I've went over this many times already. Prediction sites had Hillary in those crazy 90%+ numbers. Polls only had her up 2%.

JB Lions · Sep 23, 2020

mr-x said:
1) China virus is smaller than the flu virus.

2) The only mask rated N95 are effective at blocking a virus.

3) A medical / cloth mask may contain water droplets from breathing & talking but most people will touch their mask several times an hour.

Those are observable facts.

It's not a complicated thing to grasp - https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america?view=total-deaths&tab=trend

Wearing masks helps.

Remember the extreme example I gave earlier that you couldn't answer, because if you answered honestly, you would be agreeing with me.

A. Everybody in America wearing masks

B. Nobody in America wearing masks

A or B, which situation would we be better off?

If you pick A, we would have less cases, less deaths, the economy would be in better shape, you know this but continue to post against it. The answer can't possibly be B. Against America basically. Trumpers are prolonging this thing.

.X. · Sep 23, 2020

JB Lions said:
Do my puzzle.

@.X. @mr-x

85 from this list for Trump to win:

Pennsylvania (20) - Biden +3.9
New Hampshire (4) - Biden +5.5
Florida (29) - Biden +1.6
Wisconsin (10) - Biden +6.6
Nevada (6) - Biden +6
Michigan (16) - Biden +6.1
Arizona (11) - Biden +5
Ohio (18) - Biden +2.4
North Carolina (15) - Biden +0.6

These all lean Biden right now, some close. Trump has to flip enough states to get 85. Keep in mind, I'm giving Trump the other 3 states where he is leading, some of those leads are slim. So Biden could get those states as well.

you can’t crunch numbers in the electoral, either is or isn’t .... all the key states and swing states data that I have shows Trump with 317 .... Biden is 632k ahead of Clinton in the popular vote ....

JB Lions · Sep 23, 2020

.X. said:
you can’t crunch numbers in the electoral, either is or isn’t .... all the key states and swing states data that I have shows Trump with 317 .... Biden is 632k ahead of Clinton in the popular vote ....

You're just too lazy because involves data. I made it as simple as possible. 9 states. It's simple addition, pick the states that equal 85. Might take a whole minute or two, you could have had that in the post you just made.

I think it's because maybe people don't want to actually look, because if they did, they would realize it's a hard path for Trump to win.

.X. · Sep 23, 2020

JB Lions said:
Do my puzzle.

@.X. @mr-x

85 from this list for Trump to win:

Pennsylvania (20) - Biden +3.9
New Hampshire (4) - Biden +5.5
Florida (29) - Biden +1.6
Wisconsin (10) - Biden +6.6
Nevada (6) - Biden +6
Michigan (16) - Biden +6.1
Arizona (11) - Biden +5
Ohio (18) - Biden +2.4
North Carolina (15) - Biden +0.6

These all lean Biden right now, some close. Trump has to flip enough states to get 85. Keep in mind, I'm giving Trump the other 3 states where he is leading, some of those leads are slim. So Biden could get those states as well.

as you can see .... the numbers are tightening up closely .... two months ago your polls had a landslide .... this is no different that 2016 .... they tightened up the numbers the last 30 days before the election in 2016 ... same exact thing happening in 2020 ... not only did the pollsters look foolish but hundreds of thousands of Democrats felt totally deceived .. and they were deceived

keep in mind ... the 2016 was not even close ... Trump had won before 11PM came around .

I am not disputing your polls or your beliefs ... I am just telling you ... do not be surprised on Nov 3rd about 10PM by what you are seeing happen on the boards

why do they play games ??? I have no idea... makes no sense to do so IMO

.X. · Sep 23, 2020

Now let’s talk about concession.... if Trump wins as thoroughly as he did in 2016 ... how could Biden not concede ??? I have Trump winning by a bigger margin in 2020 than 2016 .... so here again... it won’t even be a close election .... on what grounds could Biden use to not concede???

JB Lions · Sep 23, 2020

.X. said:
I have Trump winning by a bigger margin in 2020 than 2016

Actually, you don't. You're literally posting against yourself. The numbers you posted for Biden, the popular vote, is greater than Hillary's.

Post it up again. I think it was 3.8 million, that's higher than Hillary.

Election Night
Biden with the lead = President
Biden and Trump equal = Biden President
Trump with a small lead = Biden likely President, it'll be close
Trump with a big lead = Trump President

We'll know election night. Those mail in votes will favor Biden heavily, so the above makes sense to me. Anybody see fault in my thinking on that one? I don't think we're going to have to wait months. Early voting has already started.

.X. · Sep 23, 2020

JB Lions said:
Actually, you don't. You're literally posting against yourself. The numbers you posted for Biden, the popular vote, is greater than Hillary's.

Post it up again. I think it was 3.8 million, that's higher than Hillary.

yes... Biden is at 3.8 million popular vote ... so a substantially bigger popular vote win for Biden ....

The popular vote is all great and good .. but people under age 18 are allowed to participate.. so

JB Lions · Sep 23, 2020

.X. said:
yes... Biden is at 3.8 million popular vote ... so a substantially bigger popular vote win for Biden ....

Right, that's the opposite of what you just posted

.X. said:
but people under age 18 are allowed to participate.. so

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