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I'm catching the tail end of this, seems to be some kind of controversy...

https://domaingang.com/domain-news/rob-monster-off-twitter-after-christchurch-massacre-controversy/

Must be something odd to evoke this type of a response from one of our members.

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you are proposing a NP member with suicidal intentions should contact Rob Monster????????

I said ideation.

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To the point of intentions,
I recommend somebody with suicidal intentions reach out to as many folks as possible.

The premise being, there is always another option than ****....

If that other option is contacting another nP member, who are we to judge?

I spoke to Rob once in a similar situation. Having just left an inpatient unit against medical advice following a psych hold, and even though I disagree with most things Rob, I don't disagree with that phone call, or reaching out. Nor do I disagree with me reaching out to other nP members.

I would caution folks with thinking following the bible means following robs politics or epik marketing, or anything in between.

The world has a vast amount of resources. Some of it easier reachable than others, no matter if it's physically, or psychologically. We are all in this together comes to mind. You, me, other members, the outside world, to include doctors, nurses, mental health professionals, scientists, nuns, and more.

If your amount of question marks was wondering if Rob encouraged my suicidal ideations, the answer is a resounding NO.

Would I contact him again? Likely not. But that's due to events after we spoke.

Plus, I'm happy being connected to other nPers. Though, that doesn't mean I have found the fix all to alleviate frequent ideations.
 
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I said ideation.

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To the point of intentions,
I recommend somebody with suicidal intentions reach out to as many folks as possible.

The premise being, there is always another option than ****....

If that other option is contacting another nP member, who are we to judge?

I spoke to Rob once in a similar situation. Having just left an inpatient unit against medical advice following a psych hold, and even though I disagree with most things Rob, I don't disagree with that phone call, or reaching out. Nor do I disagree with me reaching out to other nP members.

I would caution folks with thinking following the bible means following robs politics or epik marketing, or anything in between.

If your amount of question marks was wondering if Rob encouraged my suicidal ideations, the answer is a resounding NO.

Would I contact him again? Likely not. But that's due to events after we spoke.

Plus, I'm happy being connected to other nPers. Though, that doesn't mean I have found the fix all to alleviate frequent ideations.


I absolutely support your proposal to talk
to others
that includes NP Members

but my concern is that an unwanted effect might happen
as I guess that's a very tricky situation
 
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@Grilled - what is it all about? Maybe a naive question (I do not follow social networks of industry participants), so what did we miss?

Competition between epik marketplace and dan marketplace? OK, statistically speaking ( https://bgp.he.net/report/tophosts ) dan is more popular. Dan is included into world top 100 hosts report - separately as dan and as undeveloped - while epik is not. It means that each has its own niche, pros and cons, and both should be able to peacefully coexist... I, for one, have accounts with both platforms (not actively using either, but it is irrelevant) - and I wish only the best to both dan and epik. Moreover, “A horse never runs so fast as when he has other horses to catch up and outpace.” - Ovid. Competition is good, both platforms and the industry in general can only improve as the result...
 
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@Grilled - what is it all about? Maybe a naive question (I do not follow social networks of industry participants), so what did we miss?

It seems to be some type of carry-over that briefly revealed itself in the comments of @Braden Pollock now deleted epik resignation tweet from June 2020.

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The anti DAN marketing material referenced in the June 10th tweet might** be the image that resurfaced in this latest exchange.

**might theoreticized by recognizing the email received dates in "The Truth about Dan" screenshot from the August tweet is ranged from June 1st to June 4th.


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More context to the current tweet exchange

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@Rsardeha of @DAN.COM then responded, alleging Robert Davis (@Intelliname) was the poster of the screenshotted messages.


@Intelliname responded


Others have jumped in urging peace.


Meanwhile, the head of the ship, @Rob Monster appears to have stopped by to announce .VC promo. What's that old phrase again... don't trust a fart, and never waste a good PR scandal?

 
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Wouldn't it be nice if Epik was just a normal registrar...that they just did normal registrar things and weren't constantly involved in all the drama around politics and other BS from Rob Monster, Intelliname, and others?

The common link between all this constant drama is Epik. It is one thing or another, non-stop.

Brad
 
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I wonder which conspiracy theories Epik is spreading. Give examples please.
 
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Every now and then I poke my head back into this thread... And regret it immediately.
 
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I wonder which conspiracy theories Epik is spreading. Give examples please.

Here's one...
https://www.namepros.com/threads/epik-wikipedia-battle-is-full-on-right-now.1186029/#post-7726720
You can be sure that we used the nice guy approach first.

I am not debating her writing skills or research talent.

I was calling out her obvious bias.

I was calling out the locked down status of the article that blocked others from editing.

You can turn a blind eye to that if you like but I think if you look a little deeper, you might conclude that the playing field is far from level.

The timing is also bizarro:

https://wikimediafoundation.org/news/2018/10/15/george-soros-invests-future-free-open-knowledge/

https://variety.com/2019/digital/news/vice-media-250-million-debt-funding-george-soros-1203205076/

Do you think just possibly people might follow the money?
 
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OMG. The things are so complicated, and there is no actual reason for this. IP blocking? Of office IP ranges? To begin with, Epik staff works mostly from home(s), as Rob himself stated on various occasions. Blocking dynamic IPs or residential ISPs serves no purpose, even if there is something questionable in their online activity.... .VC promo? Is it Epik exclusive? I thought it was available to all registrars who elected to offer this country code. At least, a related .vc namepros thread ( https://www.namepros.com/threads/warning-the-ngtld-and-cctld-fallacy-and-trap.1204144/ ) is educational and interesting, does not appear to be against any particular registrar or marketplace, and I myself enjoyed reading it and posting in. Long story short - I sincerely wish both epik and dan to resolve any and all issues they may have, without going public.
And @Truespin Domains posted my thoughts exactly -
Every now and then I poke my head back into this thread... And regret it immediately.
So I'll better return to daily tasks, would at least be productive!
 
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I didn't follow this thread, just read some random parts of it.

What is the source of the problem (if any) between Dan and Epik: I don't know. My impression: Epik was interested in buying Dan, and decided to make some tests on it to check whether it works well, and this may involve fake offers on our domains or their own domains, making offers from different IPs, listing unregistered domains and making offers on them.. So it would be like whitehat hacking test. And Dan considered this as an attack from a competitor.. I think a good rating company should do such tests on marketplaces to check if everything is right. For example what happens if a domain is listed with 500 BIN in one marketplace, and gets 1K offer on the other marketplace: how does the second marketplace behave.

I consider both Epik and Dan as good companies, I mean they have good intentions, why I think so, for example both have fast customer service. It is not reasonable to think that Epik would attack Dan to become the 3rd biggest marketplace instead of 4th one. But purchasing the company makes lots of sense, if they have enough money and motivation. In short I suspect some experiments were considered as attacks. In other words challenge and attack are different things. But I really have no idea.. also I don't care much.

I suspect Dan is overreacting: not claiming what I mention above is correct but there are other examples:
problem with Sav, and not accepting corona domains.

(I will edit/remove this post if either party is unhappy about it,..so pls don't quote it for now..)
 
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I didn't follow this thread, just read some random parts of it.

What is the source of the problem (if any) between Dan and Epik: I don't know. My impression: Epik was interested in buying Dan, and decided to make some tests on it to check whether it works well, and this may involve fake offers on our domains or their own domains, making offers from different IPs, listing unregistered domains and making offers on them.. So it would be like whitehat hacking test. And Dan considered this as an attack from a competitor.. I think a good rating company should do such tests on marketplaces to check if everything is right. For example what happens if a domain is listed with 500 BIN in one marketplace, and gets 1K offer on the other marketplace: how does the second marketplace behave.

I consider both Epik and Dan as good companies, I mean they have good intentions, why I think so, for example both have fast customer service. It is not reasonable to think that Epik would attack Dan to become the 3rd biggest marketplace instead of 4th one. But purchasing the company makes lots of sense, if they have enough money and motivation. In short I suspect some experiments were considered as attacks.

That ship has long sailed. They were acquired by Epik in march 2017 for €4M then they decided to part ways later that year. Details were not disclosed but apparently their services were not a good fit and didn't integrate very well.

They may have found some weaknesses at the time which shouldn't be surprising as undeveloped only started out in 2014 or 2015.

I'm not sure what dan's worth is atm but I think it'd be a very costly purchase for a registrar the size of Epik.
 
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That ship has long sailed. They were acquired by Epik in march 2017 for €4M then they decided to part ways later that year. Details were not disclosed but apparently their services were not a good fit and didn't integrate very well.

They may have found some weaknesses at the time which shouldn't be surprising as undeveloped only started out in 2014 or 2015.

I'm not sure what dan's worth is atm but I think it'd be a very costly purchase for a registrar the size of Epik.

so you think Epik stepped away from the deal?

I was always thinking it was Undeveloped.

I was always thinking Rob was talking to Reza,
and then Reza stepped away ....

To me Reza always looked to like a clever guy.
 
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so you think Epik stepped away from the deal?

I was always thinking it was Undeveloped.

I was always thinking Rob was talking to Reza,
and then Reza stepped away ....

To me Reza always looked to like a clever guy.

I dunno. It's all speculation. I would think undeveloped walked away but there's probably a NDA in place preventing both parties from commenting.

If Epik and Dan would still be working together imagine the possibilities. Best of both worlds maybe? But you know, looking back I think Dan did more than fine on its own.

And yes, a very clever and intelligent guy. Great businessman as well.
 
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so you think Epik stepped away from the deal?

I was always thinking it was Undeveloped.

I was always thinking Rob was talking to Reza,
and then Reza stepped away ....

To me Reza always looked to like a clever guy.

We 100% stepped away from the deal. We're issuing a statement today about the continuous attacks of Epik towards not only us but other industry players.

In this thread above, I observe that the damage to our brand is already done when I see parts of the fabricated story by Epik is now being spread. Also via our support, a lot of sellers are contacting us, asking if their claims are true. Please note that all false information spread about us comes from 1 entity and that's Epik. So the assumption that we're involved in a double-sided war is also false.

Lastly don't forget which company is involved in a scandal on a monthly basis.

As mentioned in our twitter response, the actions by Epik were announced in June already and the failed merger between Undeveloped & Epik occurred in 2017. Undeveloped pulled the plug out of the deal after realizing that Epik wanted to get rid of us as a competitor and that they were not interested to actually execute a merger.

According to Domaintools.com Epik hosts 300,000 domains while we host 1,500,000 domains. They offer 648,129 domains at Epik sold by sellers while we offer +7,000,000 domains on our marketplace.

The above is why Epik keeps attacking our brand and spreading false narratives about us. It's all a desperate move to gain new customers. Of course, our marketplace isn't perfect, however, we're continuously improving not by copying others but by following our own path.

We're fed up with this company attacking us and giving our entire industry a bad name. Enough is enough.
 
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So DAN didnt want to be epik's boyfriend so now epik is spreading lies about DAN..

EEEWWWWWW
 
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Also @DAN.COM , they are expecting you to get carried away and lose endurance.
Don't.
You are the only company between epik and its ambitions.
Expect more attacks from them.
Whatever happens, don't get carried away.
 
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Also @DAN.COM , they are expecting you to get carried away and lose endurance.
Don't.
You are the only company between epik and its ambitions.
Expect more attacks from them.
Whatever happens, don't get carried away.

Yes. I think they should leave what has passed in the past.

In my opinion they never saw the real potential undev had. In my opinion Dan could very well become the one that will ultimately challenge GoDaddy.
 
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Yes. I think they should leave what has passed in the past.

In my opinion they never saw the real potential undev had. In my opinion Dan could very well become the one that will ultimately challenge GoDaddy.
As current state of industry, yes they are the only one that could become a challenger.

I believe dan the registrar (or something else meaningful) was supposed to launch in Q4 2020. I believe thats linked to ongoing turbulence.

@DAN.COM stay enthusiastic.
If you can't, try harder.
 
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As current state of industry, yes they are the only one that could become a challenger.

I believe dan the registrar (or something else meaningful) was supposed to launch in Q4 2020. I believe thats linked to ongoing turbulence.

@DAN.COM stay enthusiastic.
If you can't, try harder.

Yeah, can't wait till I can move my domains there. Beside the quick support you can get at Epik there's not much that would set them apart from a registrar like DAN.

Imagine if dan would get a piece of the expiration stream as well. Big business. Give the loosing registrant a % by default and you will be killing it.
 
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Wow so DAN is actually 10 times bigger than epik.
I thought the ratio was like 1 to 3...

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