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Today I come across ASZ.com which is listed for sale at eBay, priced $25k, it's not everyday you see Premium names listed on eBay, even looking into the seller's feedback which was quite disappointing to say the least, showed me this sale isn't gonna be smooth.

So I went over to #Google and typed the following ...

"ASZ.com stolen"
"ASZ.com domain name stolen"


After reading through a few articles, I also found a tweet which was posted July 28th 2020 ( see attached),

So I simply asked the seller a legitimate question....

Did you do Due Diligence on ASZ(.)com, before you purchased this? Where did you buy this?

His response you can see from the attached picture...

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@lambo.com ( your #tag )

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Last week I come across VVH(.)com which was listed here at Namepros.com

Again went to #google but nothing come up, so I checked the history on the name via http://web.archive.org I found the previous owners contact details and rang them, to check if they sold the name, only to learn they got hacked.

Quick reminder, always to your Due Diligence !!!!
 
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Domains have titles? At the DMV?

Clearly you have other motives here. 🤔
😅 I have no motives. I have had posts removed that lays out my position. I will repeat with other words.

The burden of proof is not on him to prove its not stolen. Everyone should refrain from attacking a domain, and its owners, until all facts are submitted and judged appropriately.

Its just not right. There's no justification at this point. Please supply the facts.

Looking forward to your findings.
 
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The burden of proof is not on him to prove its stolen. Everyone should refrain from attacking a domain, and its owners, until all facts are submitted and judged appropriately.

Do you do any due diligence before purchasing domains?

When you find a red flag, do you disregard any concern if the reward is greater than the risk?

Looking forward to your findings.
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For starters,

created: 2007
https://www.DomainState/warning-forum-23/asz-com-stolen-77329.html
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Theory as to how
2017:
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Its just not right. There's no justification at this point. Please supply the facts.

So while I imagine you might try to discredit Acroplex/MxDominos as not being an authority. There is more out there if you read, contact others, and/or perform due diligence of your own. Acroplex has a looong track record of helping folks in need. Can you say the same?
 
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Also is the irony of you not reading (or not properly comprehending)

Attacking my comprehension? I had a post in here removed for much less. You are being antagonistic Grilled. You can do better.

Nonetheless, I suppose some may appreciate your blind loyalty

I have loyalty to justice. Whats your loyalty?

Acroplex has a looong track record of helping folks in need. Can you say the same?

I have helped people my entire life. I feel no need to prove that here.

You can do better Grilled. Spend your time harvesting facts instead of attacking me.
 
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This domain was also reported sold on NameJet on November 9, 2016....

asz.com $22,322 NameJet

Source: https://namebio.com/blog/daily-market-report-for-november-9th-2016/

Not sure whats going on with it, but it seems while there may be hints that the domain was hijacked back in 2007, I can't see where the current owner could be involved and there doesn't seem to be any real evidence from any previous owner that the domain was hijacked.
 
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I personally would say this is very different than the other vvh or whatever name, because in that case, the op actually spoke with an owner that said they had been hacked.
 
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2007: Stolen allegation
http://archive.li/xfhtE
I can see where GoDaddy had this domain on auction in 2015. So weird. GD didn't have a problem auctioning it then. Bidding was at 16k but reserve may have not been met. Then again, it may have ultimately. That was in 2015.

Source:
https://tldinvestors.com/2015/10/go-daddy-auction-picks-10-22-15-fxph-com-asz-com.html

2015: $16,250 USD
https://auctions.godaddy.com/trpItemListing.aspx?miid=180998273

2016: $20,750 USD
https://auctions.godaddy.com/trpItemListing.aspx?miid=190978995

2017: $1,711 USD
https://auctions.godaddy.com/trpItemListing.aspx?miid=232383681

2018: Acroplex
https://domaingang.com/domain-crime/domain-crime-asz-com-has-been-stolen-since-2007/

For those who have a hard time comprehending DomainGang.com's articles. Here's a breakdown:

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The three letter domain ASZ.com is still stolen, and the thief has set up a page faking its recovery.

There is this thing called a hyperlink. If you click on it, it will redirect you to the linked location.

If you click on faking its recovery, you will be redirected to a archived form of ASZ.com from time stamp
21 May 2018 16:09:42 UTC.

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The stupid scheme to legitimize the domain’s status was uncovered thanks to the registrant’s attempts to sell the domain on various domain venues, and getting blocked.

Various domain venues getting blocked. Various means more than one. Such as:
NamePros.com
Escrow.com
Flippa.com

And according to @TexasDomainer, looks like he might have been banned from DN.com as well.

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Flippa suspended the seller’s account debizetplimus, while NamePros confirmed that attempts to announce that the domain isn’t stolen, were made via a proxy account linked to the thief. Escrow.com has banned the seller from their platform as well.
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The domain was hijacked in 2007 by a notorious domain thief in China. They stole ASZ.com by registering a dropped domain that managed the registrant’s active email at the time.

Using different aliases and proxy sellers, the thief has attempted to sell ASZ.com on every domain venue possible, but the domain community has been reporting these attempts.

Bottom line: ASZ.com is a stolen domain. Read more about the thief here.
 
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I had a car stolen once. It took several years to recover it. When I recovered it I sold it.

Same thing happens with domains.

We need the current status, we need current evidence. Until we are current everything is speculative.
 
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I had a car stolen once. It took several years to recover it. When I recovered it I sold it.

Same thing happens with domains.

We need the current status, we need current evidence. Until we are current everything is speculative.

If we had more folks like you, and less folks like @Acroplex I imagine many more folks would get away with peddling stolen cars.

Not meant to be antagonistic. Simply the truth.

imo
 
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or he can share any proof that the names is clean, either DM or public.

In all fairness, you should show the proof that the domain is CURRENTLY stolen. Especially considering you are slamming the domain and him in public.

The burden of proof is on you, or the others accusing him of criminal activity, to show that the domain is CURRENTLY stolen.
 
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In all fairness, you should show the proof that the domain is CURRENTLY stolen. Especially considering you are slamming the domain and him in public.

The burden of proof is on you, or the others accusing him of criminal activity, to show that the domain is CURRENTLY stolen.

I'm not saying or ever said it is stolen, I asked him where he brought the name!!

Please don't twist this!!
 
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I'm not saying or ever said it is stolen, I asked him where he brought the name!!

Please don't twist this!!
Well if that was true, you might want to work on your communication skills.
 
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In many cases, the xy person/s is not selling anything, but is rather faking the domain name sales (multiple times) until someone ends up in a can. This is nothing new and has been happening for quite some time.
 
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I had a car stolen once. It took several years to recover it. When I recovered it I sold it.

Same thing happens with domains.

We need the current status, we need current evidence. Until we are current everything is speculative.
Am I missing something - if the domain was originally stolen back in 2007 and subsequently was (supposedly) traded multiple times it does not change the fact that the domain is stolen property? I mean your car could of been sold multiple times before you recovered it without your knowledge......

If the original owner (2007) stepped up and provided proof of it being (and still being) stolen or has been recovered then it would make life much easier because the OP is about as much use as a tick on a monkeys testicle when it comes to transparency by the look of it.......

I have a sneaky feeling (no proof!) the OP knows he has done nothing wrong and is actually laughing behind his screen at all these posts, but without evidence it does not look good........and people will judge him until that proof is provided

Until then there is no smoke without fire.....
 
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In many cases, the xy person/s is not selling anything, but is rather faking the domain name sales (multiple times) until someone ends up in a can. This is nothing new and has been happening for quite some time.
Agreed....So what proof do you have showing that this is the case here?

There are many possibilities here. Everything is speculation right now.

Is it not possible that the original owner recovered the domain and sold it?

Am I missing something
Yes, we are all missing current facts.

The title of the thread has "due diligence" in it. We owe it to ourselves to do "due diligence" prior to accusations of criminal activity.. Its the right thing to do.
 
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@lambo.com can DM me the answer to my original question and I can do my Due Diligence.

or he can share any proof that the names is clean, either DM or public.

in case your care
@JagG
you have done the right thing
 
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listen to One on One with a Hacker (shoptalkshow)
http://audio.simplecast.fm/6391.mp3

btw for ASZ company things have been going well, later on (Q2 2008) after loosing both domains in 2007 this company eventually went out of business ( TM (ASZ) went abandoned a.w.).
 
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