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I dip in and out of this forum, leave for 9 months, back for 6 etc. Most recently quit domaining and had a change of heart and started to rebuild.

But every time I come back here I see a few newbies hand-registering absolutely turgid rubbish by the hundreds or even thousands.I won't name any names here as it would look like an attack.

I know that some people just won't listen, and I see a few people trying to get them to stop, but these people are undermined by people who 'like' their reg of the day.

Lets be clear here, I'm not talking about 'subjectivity' here, but I'm talking about people registering domains with 3 hypens, or 50 character nonsense domains.

So two questions:

1. Do we have moral obligation to be straight with these newbies and tell them that they are registering rubbish, even if this is a thankless task and the person refuses to listen and even doubles down on what they are doing.

2. Is it ethical for experienced domainers to 'like' posts which seem to validate the newbies selections.

I look at some of these people with thousands of completely unsellable hand regs, and on one hand I do think that they probably play their part in keeping registration and renewal prices down for every domainer as these nonsense domains are part of the ecosystem and generate cash for the registry and registrars, but on the other hand these domainers could be in debt, or blowing money from family savings without their wives knowing.

I find it very difficult to see people spending like $7000 on terrible handregs without saying something.

One particular individual got very angry with me and suggested that he isn't rich enough to get domains from closeout, but a domain from closeout costs what... $25 including one year renewal, and this individual has hundreds and hundreds of hand regs from all sorts of extentions. So if they took their time they could build a decent port of say 100 closeout domains over a period of 12-18 months, that would probably cost them less.

Why do people ignore these newbies and let them waste their money, and more importantly why do some people seem to encourage this really self-destructive and damaging behaviour by pressing 'like' on red-widget8383eu.biz or whatever nonsense they have registered?

Thoughts?
 
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And how much did these awesome domain names sell for?
I had a few private offers via the landers, but the names in question are actually about a subject that I have had a great interest in all my life, so WordPress newsite here we come!
 
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I had a few private offers via the landers, but the names in question are actually about a subject that I have had a great interest in all my life, so WordPress newsite here we come!
I was actually having same thought today that you would build a factual news site.
 
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I think there are still some great hand registrations to be done - You just need to keep on top of the news.

I regged a handful just last year...

Something BIG was announced - I waited a few days & checked a few laws - I could not believe that no one had thought to register them. You'd think that some of the smartest people in the world would be on top of it, I mean it's not rocket science.... oh wait :astronaut:
CraigD....i just wanted to confirm your statement "there are still some great hand registrations to be done" My only change to your statement is that there are "plenty" of great hand registrations to be done. See the two I created today at your "Reg of the Day" thread.
 
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I try to help people stop wasting money, but you are often met with belligerent push back and no respect for people who have actually accomplished something in the field.

I am willing to help someone who wants to learn, but it seems like more and more Dunning Kruger's seem to think they already know it all.

Brad
I'm willing and ready to learn. Would you be kind enough to mentor me please? Regards.
 
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@bmugford, what are your rates for domain mentoring these days? ;)
 
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@bmugford, what are your rates for domain mentoring these days? ;)

If you have to ask the price you can't afford it lol.

Me on the other hand, I'd be very cheap and it won't take long.
 
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Strange thing - so many people willing to help in this thread and so many posts in Appraisal section without a single feedback. How can it be?
 
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I give feedback on a daily basis. Look and listen newbies:

You're names are trash. In fact they are worse than trash.They are recurring bills that are not worth a log of sun bleached dog crap. Spend some money on good names or learn to develop them.

You are not going to get rich quick on my watch.
 
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Strange thing - so many people willing to help in this thread and so many posts in Appraisal section without a single feedback. How can it be?

It seems that there are 2 types of domains that get appraisal feedback. Either they are really good or they are really bad. Anything in-between takes research and special insights.

Also, many on the forum may be in the early learning stage and not feel comfortable commenting.

You can appraise your own domains. Send me a DM if you want to learn how.
 
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Strange thing - so many people willing to help in this thread and so many posts in Appraisal section without a single feedback. How can it be?

Well that's exactly what has been discussed here. Nobody likes to be informed their domain has no commercial use or value. So why be the bearer of bad-news when the same people can get better involved in discussions of what makes a good domain in general (And get thanked)
 
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Well that's exactly what has been discussed here. Nobody likes to be informed their domain has no commercial use or value. So why be the bearer of bad-news when the same people can get better involved in discussions of what makes a good domain in general (And get thanked)
I assume people posting to Appraisal are ready for bad news but who knows
 
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I assume people posting to Appraisal are ready for bad news but who knows

No. No, No - We all know - criticizing, even constructively is a can-of-worms - It's like telling someone their Partner is 'Bloody Ugly' Never a good way to do that or should you. Even when they ask

And let me tell you domainers often think of their domains like Partners, Something they eyed across a lonely screen, Made their move, spent a few Dollars on, and picked-up. Then as expected a few of nights fantasizing about their wonderful future together ;)

Well at least until they think they can sell the Bitch
 
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CraigD....i just wanted to confirm your statement "there are still some great hand registrations to be done" My only change to your statement is that there are "plenty" of great hand registrations to be done. See the two I created today at your "Reg of the Day" thread.

@ThatNameGuy

I'm not sure exactly what you are asking me.
Could you explain please?
Cheers
 
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It's a very good topic. It really needs someone to tell the truth.
 
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Yes OP but people do stuff you probably don't like all the time. They eat too much chocolate. They don't take enough exercise. They gamble on domain names and horses. They don't do this, they don't do that.

It's their life - let them live it!
 
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As a newbie to domains, I am just having fun coming up with puns and other domain hacks. While I would be happy to make a lot of money, that isn't really the intent. If I never sell a single domain I bought, that's fine. I am not even trying to sell anything at the moment--most of my domains redirect to some relevant Wikipedia page.

Still, I was very happy to see the repeated feedback over on reddit.comrule_violations that one domain after another purchased by a newbie wasn't worth anything. It helped me to remember that I am just having fun.

Today, I posted some ideas for domains I had over there, with the understanding that I wouldn't buy them, but wanted feedback on them. I had found some of them so tempting as possible money makers. It was helpful for me to be told they didn't look like they had any value. Thus, I can continue buying domains with the understanding that it is not a money-making venture.

I certainly think people should be free to make their own mistakes. I don't think people should put a lot of work into talking other people out of their ignorance. However, some brief, fairly gentle assessments of the lack of monetary value of domains is a favor to the newbies. The newbies who are receptive to learning will quickly get the idea; the rest can be abusive and go on about their business.
 
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I think many of the "trash" registrations are due to poor understanding of the English language eg two words that don't work together or are in the wrong order etc.
 
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I think many of the "trash" registrations are due to poor understanding of the English language eg two words that don't work together or are in the wrong order etc.

Good afternoon,

Although that maybe the case I can assure you that even people who speak English as a first language can still register bad domain names. There are many different things that make a domain name more valuable than another, but even something that one person thinks is not so a good name can still be sold if they understand the market that they wish to operate in as sometimes this can be different every few months. Trends can be something to keep a watch on and when it takes off in one country it can be maybe two years later that it hits other markets.

Who would have thought that putting the words 'Book' and 'Face' together would work but today we just don't even think about that combination we just see a Billion Dollar brand. Not everything needs to make sense. I am sure there are many other different examples of mis-matched words although I agree that the words can sometimes have an accepted natural order rather than just random words put together.

Half of the journey is learning where to spend our hard earned money and what might be right for me might not be right for everybody.

Regards,

Reddstagg

Edited - spilling misteaks lol
 
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Good afternoon,

Although that me be the case I can assure you that even people who speak English as a first language can still register bad domain names. There are many different things that make a domain name more valuable than another, but even something that one person thinks is not so a good name can still be sold if they understand the market that they wish to operate in as sometimes this can be different every few months. Trends can be something to keep a watch on and when it takes off in one country it can be maybe two years later that it hits other markets.

Who would have thought that putting the words 'Book' and 'Face' together would work but today we just don't even think about that combination we just see a Billion Dollar brand. Not everything needs to make sense. I am sure there are many other different examples of mis-matched words although I agree that the words can sometimes have an accepted natural order rather than just random words put together.

Half of the journey is learning where to spend our hard earned money and what might be right for me might not be right for everybody.

Regards,

Reddstagg
Face & Book have always been good keywords....more so "book"

Face as 1st word - 216 sales at an average of $2,068
Face as 2nd word - 145 sales at an average of $1,300

Book as 2nd word - 767 sales at an average of $2,056
Book as 1st word - 517 sales at an average of $3,243

*Courtesy of Namebio
 
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Good afternoon,

Although that me be the case I can assure you that even people who speak English as a first language can still register bad domain names. There are many different things that make a domain name more valuable than another, but even something that one person thinks is not so a good name can still be sold if they understand the market that they wish to operate in as sometimes this can be different every few months. Trends can be something to keep a watch on and when it takes off in one country it can be maybe two years later that it hits other markets.

Who would have thought that putting the words 'Book' and 'Face' together would work but today we just don't even think about that combination we just see a Billion Dollar brand. Not everything needs to make sense. I am sure there are many other different examples of mis-matched words although I agree that the words can sometimes have an accepted natural order rather than just random words put together.

Half of the journey is learning where to spend our hard earned money and what might be right for me might not be right for everybody.

Regards,

Reddstagg

Good points @Reddstagg

'Pay' and 'Pal' are to me an odd combination, because the word 'pal' is not used widely in my country.
But it works. I no longer think of the brandname as two separate words.
 
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Nick,
Face & Book have always been good keywords....more so "book"

Face as 1st word - 216 sales at an average of $2,068
Face as 2nd word - 145 sales at an average of $1,300

Book as 2nd word - 767 sales at an average of $2,056
Book as 1st word - 517 sales at an average of $3,243

*Courtesy of Namebio

Nick,

Many words individually can have very good sales figures but sometimes it may not be natural to put them together but over time I guess people did and the rest they say is history.

Nothing makes sense until it makes sense.

Redd and Stagg...together...Nah!!!
 
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Nick,

Many words individually can have very good sales figures but sometimes it may not be natural to put them together but over time I guess people did and the rest they say is history.

Nothing makes sense until it makes sense.

Redd and Stagg...together...Nah!!!
It's all about those Brandables......or so I heard.....
 
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You can't help anyone that doesn't want help, so I will usually only post if they're asking for a review/appraisal. I was a cook in the past and we had a saying, "don't serve anything you wouldn't eat yourself". For example in the handreg/purchase of the day forums I would only like a name that I would buy myself. I can see how the likes may be misleading, that's why you have to trust your source of approval. One of my favorite segments of the sherpa was portfolio review and perhaps namepros could benefit from having a have a similar section in appraisals. We should all just listen to Nick, he knows me make our own luck :)
Very well said, especially - don't serve anything you wouldn't eat yourself!
 
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There's a lot of truth in that statement. I doubt I could ever criticize a 'Domainer' that I respect (due to their sales and buying history) I'd be spending more time examining what is it I missed, However what we do have is an abundance of active posters that counter the genuine 'knowledge' with outright reliance on their posting/historic membership. REAL market experience equaling almost ZERO

And you only cherry pick the bits that suit your agenda. There is also mis-truth in his statement as he states that I am "a self-proclaimed expert". I have never stated that. I'd say the opposite was true as I have often described myself as a 'Newbie'.

So, you cannot respect me as a fellow professional just because I have not made any sales or may not have a brilliant buying history. This is what you missed. I am just into my second year as a domain investor so why should I be in a rush to make sales when many experts suggest that it may be more prudent to hold domain names for several years. I am not a domain name flipper and I have a long term strategic plan. I am in phase 1 of that plan and will move into phase 2 when it is the best time to do so.

I have only been a domain investor for just one full year and I joined NP in August 2019 so by your reckoning I don't have any genuine knowledge. I hate to bring this to your attention as it may disturb you but there are many 'Newbies' who are performing very well at the present time and they would have many successes and better statistics like for like than their more experienced peers. Are you saying that they can't have genuine knowledge either?

This is getting quite tedious now, so why don't you just put me on 'Ignore' and you won't have to hear from me again.

Maybe you are so far removed from the real world but advice and wisdom can come from many different sources. Open your mind to new ideals and you too might just learn something.

Regards,

Reddstagg
 
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