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I dip in and out of this forum, leave for 9 months, back for 6 etc. Most recently quit domaining and had a change of heart and started to rebuild.

But every time I come back here I see a few newbies hand-registering absolutely turgid rubbish by the hundreds or even thousands.I won't name any names here as it would look like an attack.

I know that some people just won't listen, and I see a few people trying to get them to stop, but these people are undermined by people who 'like' their reg of the day.

Lets be clear here, I'm not talking about 'subjectivity' here, but I'm talking about people registering domains with 3 hypens, or 50 character nonsense domains.

So two questions:

1. Do we have moral obligation to be straight with these newbies and tell them that they are registering rubbish, even if this is a thankless task and the person refuses to listen and even doubles down on what they are doing.

2. Is it ethical for experienced domainers to 'like' posts which seem to validate the newbies selections.

I look at some of these people with thousands of completely unsellable hand regs, and on one hand I do think that they probably play their part in keeping registration and renewal prices down for every domainer as these nonsense domains are part of the ecosystem and generate cash for the registry and registrars, but on the other hand these domainers could be in debt, or blowing money from family savings without their wives knowing.

I find it very difficult to see people spending like $7000 on terrible handregs without saying something.

One particular individual got very angry with me and suggested that he isn't rich enough to get domains from closeout, but a domain from closeout costs what... $25 including one year renewal, and this individual has hundreds and hundreds of hand regs from all sorts of extentions. So if they took their time they could build a decent port of say 100 closeout domains over a period of 12-18 months, that would probably cost them less.

Why do people ignore these newbies and let them waste their money, and more importantly why do some people seem to encourage this really self-destructive and damaging behaviour by pressing 'like' on red-widget8383eu.biz or whatever nonsense they have registered?

Thoughts?
 
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though using the keywords alcohol is not clever - Jim Bean have a have a brand called red stag

The Red Stag Jim Bean product was launched in 2009.

I have been known as Reddstagg since at least 2005 so there should not be any confusion.

I have not had anyone try to drink me or or put me in a glass with ice.
 
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The Red Stag Jim Bean product was launched in 2009.

I have been known as Reddstagg since at least 2005 so there should not be any confusion.

I have not had anyone try to drink me or or put me in a glass with ice.
was talking about the Brandpa listed name that @karmaco shared - https://brandpa.com/names/redstagg

The owner has put one of the potential end user industries down as "Alcohol" which is not a clever move
 
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I don't really see any bad ethics by Namepros community. Every new member be advised to read a lot before register trash names. Also, I want to say that if you are person who accepts his mistakes, hand reg's is a real domain school for you. Then, you can go to aftermarket with a lot of experience and specific plan.
Of course, it is not the only way to start. It depends the member's personality, brain, budget and experience. But remember, if you want to go to bad odds side, then you would do that for other activities of your life (gambling for example). So, yeah, it's better to lose some money on domains at start until you develop some learning curve, than losing money on slots.
My personal domain travel was very difficult at start because I didn't know good English (not ok level for domaining), small budget and no domain knowledge/experience. I tried hard to develop all these aspects.
All in all, I believe it depends how fast someone learn and how able he is to listen and overcome the "trial and error" process as fast as possible.
 
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I don't really see any bad ethics by Namepros community. Every new member be advised to read a lot before register trash names. Also, I want to say that if you are person who accepts his mistakes, hand reg's is a real domain school for you. Then, you can go to aftermarket with a lot of experience and specific plan.
Of course, it is not the only way to start. It depends the member's personality, brain, budget and experience. But remember, if you want to go to bad odds side, then you would do that for other activities of your life (gambling for example). So, yeah, it's better to lose some money on domains at start until you develop some learning curve, than losing money on slots.
All in all, I believe it depends how fast someone learn and how able he is to listen and overcome the "trial and error" process as fast as possible.


This isn't about hand regs Vs aftermarket though, a lot of people have a lot of success with handregs. Look at the people who handregged VR domains in 2016. Also most of brandbucket probably handregged.

I still see things on the reg of the day and which impress me, I often think "how was that available", and I actually shared a handreg just before creating this thread.

But the fact that you can still find good hand regs, and from deleted lists (at least on country codes) makes it even worse that some people are registering a thousand unsellable domains and having people validate their picks by liking their shares.
 
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The main thing that I take issue with is being told that I am obviously a bad domainer as I have yet to make a sale. You could make hundreds of sales and still lose money. Would that make you a good domainer? No. It would make you a good salesperson. We are often told that it is a marathon and not a sprint so why do I get such a hard time about my lack of sales.

I can learn from the lessons of yesterday and apply them to the world of tomorrow. Judge me when I am finished is all I ask. It's only been just over one year.

It is quite simple really. If you are making at least one $xxxx sale per 200 brandable (not geo or seo) names held for a year, then you might know what you are doing.
 
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It is quite simple really. If you are making at least one $xxxx sale per 200 brandable (not geo or seo) names held for a year, then you might know what you are doing.

Probably need to be at least 1 per 100, probably 2 per 150 at break even point after fees.
 
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This isn't about hand regs Vs aftermarket though, a lot of people have a lot of success with handregs. Look at the people who handregged VR domains in 2016. Also most of brandbucket probably handregged.

I still see things on the reg of the day and which impress me, I often think "how was that available", and I actually shared a handreg just before creating this thread.

But the fact that you can still find good hand regs, and from deleted lists (at least on country codes) makes it even worse that some people are registering a thousand unsellable domains and having people validate their picks by liking their shares.
These people just can't self educate themselves. Who is saying that domaining is easy and for all? I still post on appraisal section and ask people's opinion. Why? To become better everyday. I don't think that the learning process stops.
 
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This whole thread was started after I was called out in a public forum thread. I made a joke that is totally unrelated to the theme of this thread.

It has nothing to do with me asking for or getting advice.

I am old enough and wise enough to know when to ask questions.

Was I referring to you?
No.
Was I quoting the OP and replying to his question in general?
Yes.
Were you successful in sort of hijacking this thread and making it all about you?
Hell, Yes.
Congratulations.
 
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It is quite simple really. If you are making at least one $xxxx sale per 200 brandable (not geo or seo) names held for a year, then you might know what you are doing.

I agree to a degree. You can in my opinion know what you are doing without having made any sales. I am not in my selling phase yet. I have not made one phone call or sent one e-mail yet as I needed to understand the business first and slowly build a sustainable portfolio.

I had a plan when I registered my first domain as a domain investor back in January 2019 and it is no coincidence that I started at the beginning of the year. I then set about registering and buying domain names throughout the year so that there would not be too much of a peak at renewal time.

I survived my end of first year renewals and dropped a few that I had determined were not a good fit with my portfolio or were just not good enough. I don't call them bad domain names, they were maybe nit just good enough for me.
 
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Probably need to be at least 1 per 100, probably 2 per 150 at break even point after fees.

Basically, I'm too old to get a proper job and too young to retire. So, once I could get broadband for the home for the first time I hatched a plan. All I needed was a little money, some imagination and fiber broadband.

This is only year 2 of maybe an 8 to 10 year plan.

I am from and admin background and have limited tech skills so I needed to figure things out whilst I built a portfolio of different genres and extensions as well as a rough balance of 50% dot.coms.

I've had 3 offers this year without any out-bounding and I know that it is an acquired skill to convert this to cold hard cash. I'm still at the offers stage so this will take time and practice. Knowing the true value of a domain name is again an acquired skill and as I do not have many years of previous domain investing experience I have to apply the other things that I have learned and use them in the changing world of tomorrow.

I can confidently predict that I will make s sale this year. The real skill is knowing which ones I can sell rather than knowing which ones someone will buy.

A good salesperson can sell as bad domain name but a bad salesperson may never sell a good domain name.

Only history will tell the real story.
 
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I am making a stand for new domainers in general

No need, as nobody was targeting "new domainers".

@xbank Been a member for less than two months and picking up some brilliant hand regs. He really gets it, defo better than me at handregging.
 
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@DomainGist You are a VIP member and I am sure you are doing great sales, I just started and learning it takes me 2-3 hours to find 1 name and then I research .. competition 7-8 different factors and than I sleepover with the names and then next day let say If I have 4-5 names found in 1 day then next day 1-2 I might not like very much or change up the mind so I do not register and the remaining ones I go ahead and register.

All the names I registered are still on 60 Days registrar lock so I don't know how well they work or how they sell in a year .. etc .. you can tell me and I can send you the names I did in private and I would love to hear the honest opinion or criticism. (that's how we learn)

cheers
 
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@DomainGist You are a VIP member and I am sure you are doing great sales, I just started and learning it takes me 2-3 hours to find 1 name and then I research .. competition 7-8 different factors and than I sleepover with the names and then next day let say If I have 4-5 names found in 1 day then next day 1-2 I might not like very much or change up the mind so I do not register and the remaining ones I go ahead and register.

All the names I registered are still on 60 Days registrar lock so I don't know how well they work or how they sell in a year .. etc .. you can tell me and I can send you the names I did in private and I would love to hear the honest opinion or criticism. (that's how we learn)

cheers

I wouldn't take that "VIP" tag seriously at all xbank, its automatically given to anybody with 750+ posts, 350+ likes, and 365 days of membership.

In fact I wouldn't take any of the account levels seriously.
 
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@DomainGist 2009 - and I get into 2020 11 years is what I see, I joined this forum and I started to feel when I look at some of the names and I talk to myself if I start a company why would I go for such a name, so that's why I thinking a lot.
 
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Buying or regging is easy it's the selling that is the hard bit.

Hi ReddStagg,

Who told you this? It's no surprise that you are registering bad domains if you start with false assumptions like this one.

Understand that a domain HAS to be good in order to be sold, even at Reg. fee price. Usually, good domains sell themselves without the need of any selling tactic (negotiation skills is another subject). On the other hand, a bad domain will NEVER (VERY rarely) sell even if you are the most skillful salesman on the Planet.

I would suggest you spend a few weeks in reading ONLY (this forum upside down) mode, before showing up with your own tactics and suppositions about a business you don't know anything about.

Please answer here, as I don't want to have another useless private chat with you again.

Kind Regards.

PS: ReggStagg.com is available, just in case :)
 
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I think there must be a thread where we can say something like Critics or something where people can just throw their opinion on the names either hand reg or anything .. Tired of having people liking on bad domain hand reg and they think they doing well, (including myself)
 
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I think there must be a thread where we can say something like Critics or something where people can just throw their opinion on the names either hand reg or anything .. Tired of having people liking on bad domain hand reg and they think they doing well, (including myself)
I was toying with the idea of creating a portfolio feedback thread

you post your portfolio link and invite feedback, not on pricing but the quality of the domains - which are worth keeping, dropping etc - Maybe a score based system in place, or something similar.....

What people do with this advice is then up to them........

The only thing is it is asking a lot from the Pro's, you will also get people potentially providing sh*t advice hoping you drop the name or people who have no clue commenting on something they know nothing about etc etc

Edit - also the amount of abuse that might come back from people who are not happy with someones opinion - mentioned in this thread quite a few times

This has what has held me back......
 
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@NickB let's start it .. I am with you .. I badly need honest opinion too!
 
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Hi ReddStagg,

Who told you this? It's no surprise that you are registering bad domains if you start with false assumptions like this one.

Understand that a domain HAS to be good in order to be sold, even at Reg. fee price. Usually, good domains sell themselves without the need of any selling tactic (negotiation skills is another subject). On the other hand, a bad domain will NEVER (VERY rarely) sell even if you are the most skillful salesman on the Planet.

I would suggest you spend a few weeks in reading ONLY (this forum upside down) mode, before showing up with your own tactics and suppositions about a business you don't know anything about.

Please answer here, as I don't want to have another useless private chat with you again.

Kind Regards.

PS: ReggStagg.com is available, just in case :)

Please answer here, as I don't want to have another useless private chat with you again.

And yet here you are. You just couldn't stay away. You have the choice to not read this thread and put me on 'Ignore'. But you didn't do either so I guess you must be trying to get your point across here where everyone can see you. Wave

Who told you this? It's no surprise that you are registering bad domains if you start with false assumptions like this one.

I'm from the sixties. I thought everyone who was anyone already knew this. Maybe someone who has actually made some sales can explain the theory behind the art of selling.

Who exactly gave you the authority to assume that I am registering bad domains. Oh, I see you're one of them 'Experts' I read about in the news. This really is just like trying to explain to a five year old why a Ford is better than a Chrysler. You may be right but the five year old is going to grow up and discover it for themselves. They will listen to what you have to say and all they will hear is blah blah blah. Not one car is better than another just because. One could argue that a Ferrari is probably one of the best cars on the planet. I'm never ever going to buy one for two reasons. One, you can't slide in a 4ftx8ft piece of ply or carry your golf clubs to the golf club. In that regard, my little old battered up pick-up truck is better than the Ferrari.


Understand that a domain HAS to be good in order to be sold, even at Reg. fee price. Usually, good domains sell themselves without the need of any selling tactic (negotiation skills is another subject). On the other hand, a bad domain will NEVER (VERY rarely) sell even if you are the most skillful salesman on the Planet.

This is wrong. Do bad domains not get sold? Oh, they do. Every day you say. There is maybe 1% of all domain investors who have domains that sell themselves. I hate to be the bearer of bad news for the other 99% of us but that means that we will probably have to make a physical effort to sell our domain names. If, selling was as easy as you predict, then surely everyone here on NP would be doing it. Oh wait, you mean they aren't.

Do you actually mean never or very rarely when you say a bad domain will never sell. There are statistics and clever mathy things that would crush you argument in a nano second. I am just too lazy to go and get them....yawn. Become more involved and be the player that you want to be. Go on chat and actually chat to people that are actually making sales. They don't just wake up in the morning and say strike me I've sold another one. They work for their rewards, whether that be by brilliant salespersonship or just by pure hustle and bussle.


I would suggest you spend a few weeks in reading ONLY (this forum upside down) mode, before showing up with your own tactics and suppositions about a business you don't know anything about.

So now you think you know me or anything about me. I was probably working in business before you were born so do not come on here and try to shame me by making absurd and baseless accusations. I might be new to domain investing but I am not knew to life and as I have said before mind your own business and I shall mind mine. Spend your money how you wish and leave me to spend mine how I choose.

Every one has their own opinion and that is fair enough and I will at least give you the courtesy of listening to it. However, now you have brought the issue to the public domain maybe you will be kind enough to give us all a basis synopsis of your business plan and your sales to date. We await your response.

TTFN,

Regards,

Reddstagg

P.s...I'm still here.
 
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They registered Redstagg.com with one d and two g's. I have been known as Reddstagg for at least the last 15 years and it is used as my main e-mail address.

They had the audacity to state that it was an experiment. The irony of the situation is that they have the made an issue out of my inability to register decent domain names or make sales and yet they have their version listed for sale for $4,000.

It is sometimes hard to tell who is new to the industry. Everyone knows that will never sell without hyphens.

You will know that I possess the ability to laugh at myself and not take things too serious. What I will not back down from is people throwing their weight around just because they can.

I was even talked down to by someone who used the title 'The Elders' and told that I should blindly respect them because they had been on NP for over 10 years.

Respect is a given until actions or words removes it.

You should never blindly follow anybody and elders is a term that is meaningless in this business for sure.
 
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@DomainGist You are a VIP member and I am sure you are doing great sales, I just started and learning it takes me 2-3 hours to find 1 name and then I research .. competition 7-8 different factors and than I sleepover with the names and then next day let say If I have 4-5 names found in 1 day then next day 1-2 I might not like very much or change up the mind so I do not register and the remaining ones I go ahead and register.

All the names I registered are still on 60 Days registrar lock so I don't know how well they work or how they sell in a year .. etc .. you can tell me and I can send you the names I did in private and I would love to hear the honest opinion or criticism. (that's how we learn)

cheers

Years belonging here does not = success in domaining or a lot of sales.
 
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