news Covid19-Coronavirus updates and news

Mister Funsky · Feb 22, 2020

Having relatives and friends scattered all over the globe, I am getting an overload of input (some on the record and some off the record).

My intention for this thread is for community members from around the world to post first hand stories and/or links to information sources that, for the most part, should be reliable.

In my community, just outside a major southeastern city, 'assets' have been placed. Only because I have friends in both high and low places have I heard about some of this. At this point it is only some basic medical supplies that should be equally distributed anyway in preparation for a natural emergency (hurricane/wildfire/etc.).

I will start with posting a link to a site with current data that seems to come from an aggregate of sources and hope others will do the same as they come across similar sites/pages.

Because of the 'typhoid Mary' spread-ability of this disease, I feel we may be in for a really large spread globally which will impact the global economy and through extension, retail domain prices.

One thing is for sure...things will get worse before they get better.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa-coronavirus/

Cal2 · May 19, 2020

Compassion said:
We know instinctually that we are being played for fools by this plandemic.

If one is buying into 'plandemic', then you're right - you're being played.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020...-and-the-7-traits-of-conspiratorial-thinking/

Cal2 · May 19, 2020

Copper masks are the latest craze. Should you buy one?

https://www.fastcompany.com/90505186/copper-masks-are-the-latest-craze-should-you-buy-one?utm_campaign=eem524%3A524%3As00%3A20200518_fc&utm_medium=Compass&utm_source=newsletter

J Sokol · May 19, 2020

koolishman said:
Is there an authentic source which details the data of deaths each year in the US and their causes?
Please link to one.

This is from the CDC:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

Last year there were 55,672 deaths from influenza and pneumonia.

koolishman · May 19, 2020

J Sokol said:
This is from the CDC:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

Last year there were 55,672 deaths from influenza and pneumonia.

Thanks.

But data seems to be for 2017.

Compassion · May 19, 2020

Influenza vaccination and respiratory virus interference among Department of Defense personnel (2017-218) Evidence shows an increase of coronavirus in those that received the flu vaccine!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31607599

Cal2 · May 19, 2020

Compassion said:
Influenza vaccination and respiratory virus interference among Department of Defense personnel (2017-218) Evidence shows an increase of coronavirus in those that received the flu vaccine!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31607599

No Evidence That Flu Shot Increases Risk of COVID-19

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/no-evidence-that-flu-shot-increases-risk-of-covid-19/

False claim: The flu vaccine causes the new coronavirus

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-flu-vaccine-causes-new-coro/false-claim-the-flu-vaccine-causes-the-new-coronavirus-idUSKCN21X2LT

Mister Funsky · May 19, 2020

Current Covid19 death numbers as of 9:00 am EST are below, primarily from the source in the original post (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus). Please copy and place the list to correct any wrong numbers and/or to add your country of origin.

Total: 320,673
US: 92,034
UK: 34,796
France: 28,239
Spain: 27,709
AU: 100
Italy: 32,007
Canada: 5,842
Brazil: 16,853
Indonesia: 1,221
India: 3,169
Japan: 749
Mexico: 5,332
Jordan: 9
Netherlands: 5,715

J Sokol · May 19, 2020

koolishman said:
Thanks.

But data seems to be for 2017.

Hmm, I had thought I clicked on a link for 2019. The only other thing I can find is this page for 2018:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db355.htm

It seems strange that more up-to-date data isn't available.

Cannuck · May 19, 2020

Trump says he's been taking hydroxychloroquine for the past couple weeks. "A lot of good things have come out about the hydroxy. A lot of good things have come out. You’d be surprised at how many people are taking it. I happen to be taking it… I’m taking it hydroxychloroquine, right now.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-says-he-takes-hydroxychloroquine-1001816/

Sutruk · May 19, 2020

Cannuck said:
Trump says he's been taking hydroxychloroquine for the past couple weeks. "A lot of good things have come out about the hydroxy. A lot of good things have come out. You’d be surprised at how many people are taking it. I happen to be taking it… I’m taking it hydroxychloroquine, right now.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-says-he-takes-hydroxychloroquine-1001816/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/18/us/politics/trump-hydroxychloroquine-covid-coronavirus.html

His announcement drew immediate criticism from a range of medical experts, who warned not just of the dangers it posed for the president’s health but also of the example it set.

“My concern would be that the public not hear comments about the use of hydroxychloroquine and believe that taking this drug to prevent Covid-19 infection is without hazards. In fact, there are serious hazards,” said Dr. Steven E. Nissen, the chief academic officer of the Miller Family Heart, Vascular & Thoracic Institute at the Cleveland Clinic.

“I think it’s a very bad idea to be taking hydroxychloroquine as a preventive medication,” said Dr. Eric Topol, a cardiologist and the director of the Scripps Research Translational Institute in La Jolla, Calif. “There are no data to support that, there’s no evidence and in fact there is no compelling evidence to support its use at all at this point.”

Dr. Topol said the risk of developing a potentially fatal arrhythmia because of hydroxychloroquine could come without warning and did not happen only in people with heart conditions. “We can’t predict that. In fact, it can happen in people who are healthy,” he said. “It could happen in anyone.”

Mister Funsky · May 19, 2020

Trump administration awards contract to make COVID-19 drugs in U.S.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-phlow-idUSKBN22V0LF

Pharma companies will benefit greatly as drug manufacturing returns to America.

Mister Funsky · May 19, 2020

As cases increase due to relaxing state and local restrictions (at least not enforcing those new restrictions ie beach, park, bar gatherings) we will see more cases like this one.

Oregon Supreme Court reinstates governor’s coronavirus restrictions after they were tossed by local judge

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronav...0200519-4x4yj6dkwfemtec5thuvq64qhy-story.html

btw, looks like the 'node' that serves my area will be underwater soon...gonna 'wash' me off the net for a while...ha, I crack me up.

Compassion · May 19, 2020

Cal2 said:
No Evidence That Flu Shot Increases Risk of COVID-19

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/no-evidence-that-flu-shot-increases-risk-of-covid-19/

False claim: The flu vaccine causes the new coronavirus

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-flu-vaccine-causes-new-coro/false-claim-the-flu-vaccine-causes-the-new-coronavirus-idUSKCN21X2LT

Yeah why trust research published in PubMed done with the gold standard of testing mechanisms and 2880 participants?

Try again: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31607599/

Using the military as guinea pigs for vaccines is commonplace. - May as well scan the data for truth - eh?

The study shows an increase of prevalance of ALL coronaviruses amongst DoD personnel that were injected with the flu vaccine.

Cal2 · May 19, 2020

Compassion said:
The study shows an increase of prevalance of ALL coronaviruses amongst DoD personnel that were injected with the flu vaccine.

Let's start with the question of Where are you getting the supporting evidence in that study to your "ALL" claim.

Compassion · May 20, 2020

Cal2 said:
Let's start with the question of Where are you getting the supporting evidence in that study to your "ALL" claim.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31607599/

enlytend · May 20, 2020

Interesting article on the research behind how COVID-19 spreads. There’s still a lot to learn, but it seems that most of the disease is spread by a few individuals infecting a large number of other people, while most people with it infect nobody else. If this holds true and we can determine the conditions under which it is spread, we could make more precise, well informed decisions about what kind of activities are safe to allow and which are not.

Why do some COVID-19 patients infect many others, whereas most don’t spread the virus at all?

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...y-others-whereas-most-don-t-spread-virus-all#

J Sokol · May 20, 2020

In Georgia, data tracking Covid-19 cases in the state has come under question after a misleading chart was posted on the state Department of Public Health's web page, according to an article by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/20/us/florida-georgia-covid-19-test-data/index.html

J Sokol · May 20, 2020

enlytend said:
Why do some COVID-19 patients infect many others, whereas most don’t spread the virus at all?

These are really hopeful findings. A couple more quotes from the article:

But in real life, some people infect many others and others don’t spread the disease at all. In fact, the latter is the norm, Lloyd-Smith says: “The consistent pattern is that the most common number is zero. Most people do not transmit.”

“Probably about 10% of cases lead to 80% of the spread,” Kucharski says.

Mister Funsky · May 20, 2020

Current Covid19 death numbers as of 10:00 am EST are below, primarily from the source in the original post (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus). Please copy and place the list to correct any wrong numbers and/or to add your country of origin.

Total: 325,509
US: 93,561
UK: 35,341
France: 28,022
Spain: 27,778
AU: 100
Italy: 32,169
Canada: 5,912
Brazil: 17,983
Indonesia: 1,242
India: 3,316
Japan: 768
Mexico: 5,666
Jordan: 9
Netherlands: 5,748

Cal2 · May 20, 2020

Compassion said:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31607599/

Try again.

Cal2 · May 20, 2020

Cal2 said:
Try again.

On 2nd thought, Compassion, forget it. I don't want to read any more of your made up lies, much less reply to any of them, so I'm putting you on ignore.

To others - Since I don't trust Compassion, I checked a bit on that article he keeps linking to. A more complete version, with an additional set of conclusions:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X19313647?via=ihub#!

J Sokol · May 21, 2020

This is reassuring.

Coronavirus 'does not spread easily' by touching surfaces or objects, CDC says.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...pread-easily-surfaces-objects-cdc/5232748002/

Cannuck · May 22, 2020

Cal2 said:
...
To others - Since I don't trust Compassion, I checked a bit on that article he keeps linking to. A more complete version, with an additional set of conclusions:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X19313647?via=ihub#!

Definitely a more complete report... "Examining non-influenza viruses specifically, the odds of both coronavirus and human metapneumovirus in vaccinated individuals were significantly higher when compared to unvaccinated individuals (OR = 1.36 and 1.51, respectively)." (Table 5)

Table 5. Respiratory viruses and odds ratios by vaccination status (abstract)

Virus Vaccinated (%) Not Vaccinated (%) OR (95% CI) P-Value

Coronavirus 507 (7.8) 170 (5.8) 1.36 (1.14, 1.63) <0.01

Human Metapneumovirus 335 (5.1) 101 (3.5) 1.51 (1.20, 1.90) <0.01

No Pathogen Detected 2441 (37.3) 799 (27.3) 1.59 (1.44, 1.75) <0.01

Cal2 · May 22, 2020

Cannuck said:
Definitely a more complete report... "Examining non-influenza viruses specifically, the odds of both coronavirus and human metapneumovirus in vaccinated individuals were significantly higher when compared to unvaccinated individuals (OR = 1.36 and 1.51, respectively)." (Table 5)

Table 5. Respiratory viruses and odds ratios by vaccination status (abstract)

Virus Vaccinated (%) Not Vaccinated (%) OR (95% CI) P-Value

Coronavirus 507 (7.8) 170 (5.8) 1.36 (1.14, 1.63) <0.01

Human Metapneumovirus 335 (5.1) 101 (3.5) 1.51 (1.20, 1.90) <0.01

No Pathogen Detected 2441 (37.3) 799 (27.3) 1.59 (1.44, 1.75) <0.01

I found it a difficult article to follow well enough, and didn't spend much time trying to decipher it. Going with the authors' expertise - when all things were considered regarding their study:

"The overall results of the study showed little to no evidence supporting the association of virus interference and influenza vaccination. Individual respiratory virus results were mixed, and some rebutted virus interference. Additionally those receiving the influenza vaccine were more likely to have no pathogen detected and reduced risk of influenza when compared to unvaccinated individuals. Further research is necessary to help character virus interference and validate or refute the validity of the test-negative design for influenza vaccine effectiveness."

From an article I'd posted a link to previously, the coronaviruses talked about were said to be 4 of the seasonal common cold creating type, not more serious ones like covid-19 - which wasn't around at the time of the study. As the authors said, more research needed on that.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/no-evidence-that-flu-shot-increases-risk-of-covid-19/

Sutruk · May 22, 2020

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/21/world/asia/coronavirus-china-lockdown.html

After New Coronavirus Outbreaks, China Imposes Wuhan-Style Lockdown

Infections in the northeast have led officials to sequester hundreds of thousands at home.

The latest outbreak is concentrated in Jilin, a northeastern province of 27 million people that sits near China’s borders with Russia and North Korea. Jilin has reported a small outbreak of about 130 cases and two deaths, but experts there have warned of the threat of a “big explosion.”

The authorities have also imposed a lockdown on parts of Jilin City, a manufacturing base, bringing factories to a standstill and quieting streets. In some areas, residents are allowed to leave their homes only once every two days, and for a maximum of two hours, to shop for groceries.

Chen Ying, a public health researcher at Xi’an Jiaotong-Liverpool University, said officials were reacting forcefully in the northeast because the experience in Wuhan had demonstrated the importance of early, stringent action.

“If we had this chance in Wuhan, we would have taken similar measures,” he said. “The consequences will be very big if this is not controlled.”

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