discuss Domainers as end user

abstractdomainer · May 9, 2020

An interesting thought struck me and I wanted to explore your point of view on this topic, which is debatable, interesting, and very open ended
"Domainers as end-users of a domain name"

So, for example, let us say that many domainers have 500 or more domain names and they need to put it out there for sale. So, what many of us do is build a website, put all our names on it, maybe categorize it in a certain manner - extension, keywords, length, whatever it could be, and then, once we are done with it, we either market it on certain websites or put it here in the signature (You may see many examples of this in the signature of many members here)

Now, these people being domainers themselves, either hand register these domain names for usage or may purchase it for cheap on auction platforms etc. When it comes to choosing the domain name for their portfolio websites, I have found the names to be mostly average, if not bad. And that is the way it is!

As domainers, we are end-users for such a name. These could mostly have a domain name which has keywords like:

Domains
Domain
Names
Name

And they may have some keywords before or after this. Now my question is:

As end users of a domain name, being in the domain name business ourselves, should we use high quality names for displaying our portfolio, like maybe invest certain $100s or a couple of thousand of dollars, or do you think it is olay to have a simple, not so appealing names for our business.

Share your thoughts in comments. Maybe share the domain name you use to display your portfolio, and what do you think of that name.

garptrader · May 9, 2020

For those who want to go the low-budget route, there is no need to have a domain portfolio website. Just list your domains at a few of the major platforms and see what sales come through. Obviously there is only one Domains.com. However, I find it odd that many domain investors will list hundreds of domain names on a portfolio site with $xXxX expectations yet the domain they choose to display their domains on is clearly reg fee. I once did a survey to see what domain investors would be willing to pay for an aftermarket domain for their portfolio site. Many were not willing to spend more than $100. So why should we expect end users to feel any different?

A personal trainer may cost up to $100 an hour but would you pay that much for some overweight out-of-shape 55- year old? I don't think so. Would you take personal financial advice from a financial advisor who insists on meeting you at a local McDonald's, drives up in a beat up old bicycle and then pulls out a raggedy folder with crumpled papers to make their presentation? So if you are serious about your domain business then maybe the domain name you choose for your portfolio website needs a budget over $10.

abstractdomainer · May 9, 2020

garptrader said:
For those who want to go the low-budget route, there is no need to have a domain portfolio website. Just list your domains at a few of the major platforms and see what sales come through. Obviously there is only one Domains.com. However, I find it odd that many domain investors will list hundreds of domain names on a portfolio site with $xXxX expectations yet the domain they choose to display their domains on is clearly reg fee. I once did a survey to see what domain investors would be willing to pay for an aftermarket domain for their portfolio site. Many were not willing to spend more than $100. So why should we expect end users to feel any different?

A personal trainer may cost up to $100 an hour but would you pay that much for some overweight out-of-shape 55- year old? I don't think so. Would you take personal financial advice from a financial advisor who insists on meeting you at a local McDonald's, drives up in a beat up old bicycle and then pulls out a raggedy folder with crumpled papers to make their presentation? So if you are serious about your domain business then maybe the domain name you choose for your portfolio website needs a budget over $10.

Good analogy there!
Do you use a domain to showcase your portfolio?

Name Trader · May 11, 2020

I've paid end-user prices for the domains I use for selling domains, DNStore.com and DNShop.com. Of course I negotiated. Most people don't just pay the asking price. But in the end they were still $xK priced domains. So I don't subscribe to trying to selling domains on crappy portfolio websites (both value and look 'n feel).

biggie · May 11, 2020

Hi

here is related thread, with poll and plenty of comments

https://www.namepros.com/threads/ho...ain-to-promote-your-domain-portfolio.1130416/

imo...

HotKey · May 11, 2020

I think what you've paid for your dn portfolio site is not always indicative of its quality. But in the same aspect, the quality of the chosen portfolio name can be indicative of what to expect of the names within it.

I paid reg fee for mine, and am quite satisfied with it: Genuine.Domains

There is not only one avenue to a good domain, but there is only one way to acquire a taken domain.

Name Trader · May 11, 2020

@HotKey - Understand

lock · May 11, 2020

A good exercise would be to research to develop some domains and see what you had left over and why you really registered them since it is your own inspiration. Some maybe repeated ideas others just without value see how some prosper and some fail and some insight to merit of domain over content.

abstractdomainer · May 11, 2020

stub said:
I've paid end-user prices for the domains I use for selling domains, DNStore.com and DNShop.com. Of course I negotiated. Most people don't just pay the asking price. But in the end they were still $xK priced domains. So I don't subscribe to trying to selling domains on crappy portfolio websites (both value and look 'n feel).

Makes sense! But the point is, how many are there like you. Who do that in the industry.
Even the websites are torn apart,

Name Trader · May 11, 2020

abstractdomainer said:
Makes sense! But the point is, how many are there like you. Who do that in the industry.
Even the websites are torn apart,

I didn't realise there was a point to your post. The point of using a high quality domain is exactly that. It's a high quality domain. It says something about how you run your business. End users know nothing about every tom,dick, or harry which opens a website selling domain names. Mostly, for me, when I look at crappy domain selling domains, all I see are crappy domains. Crap begets crap. Of course that is a generalization. I want to be in this business for a long time. I want to build a reputation. Not with domainers, but in the real world of end users. Of course the name is just one part. You need a quality website too. You need quality service as well. And you need quality domains. I sell to end users. Although I do have a good selection of domainer-friendly domains to choose from too. But they are not for sale to domainers wanting domainer prices. They are for sale to domainers who see the quality in the domains and pay end-user prices. Just like I did. It's also an evolutionary process to get rid of the crap to improve the quality of your domains. OK. Now you have my philosphy when in comes to selling domains

h2o · May 11, 2020

I consider myself both an end user and domainer. I am an eCommerce seller who sells tangible products but the domaining business is a nice add on for me. About half my domains now are for resale and the other half are related to my niche and not for sale. I use my "not for resale" domains for marketing campaigns as well as to keep good names away from competitors. I forward many of of my domains to my main eCom sites and use Google Tags and Google Analytics to see which domains get the most traffic.

Bertrell · May 11, 2020

stub said:
Crap begets crap.

I couldn't agree more.

abstractdomainer · May 21, 2020

A point here...
How many investors with a crappy portfolio site name own good quality names as a part of their portfolio?
Always a thing I wonder

biggie · May 21, 2020

abstractdomainer said:
How many investors with a crappy portfolio site name own good quality names as a part of their portfolio?
Always a thing I wonder

Hi

you seem to be wondering, about so many different things

my motto has always been, don't worry about

you can't control.
so, I don't care what the name of your site is,

because....it's not the name, it's the names listed within, that matter most.

i got a crappy name and a crappy site, and been using it for 18 years.
and none of the buyers ever complained about the domain name of the website.

and.... with all the third parties available, it's not necessary to have one.

puff, puff.. ahhh

imo...

abstractdomainer · May 22, 2020

biggie said:
Hi

you seem to be wondering, about so many different things

my motto has always been, don't worry about you can't control.
so, I don't care what the name of your site is,

because....it's not the name, it's the names listed within, that matter most.

i got a crappy name and a crappy site, and been using it for 18 years.
and none of the buyers ever complained about the domain name of the website.

and.... with all the third parties available, it's not necessary to have one.

puff, puff.. ahhh

imo...

But the question here would be..How many names do you sell via your own website vs on external platforms, which is when the portfolio name would have a significance. I'm just trying to understand

biggie · May 22, 2020

abstractdomainer said:
But the question here would be..How many names do you sell via your own website vs on external platforms, which is when the portfolio name would have a significance. I'm just trying to understand

Hi

we don't have the same domains, same experience, same contacts, tenure, etc..

and only way for you to understand all the questions you conceive.. is to perform some of those actions yourself and measure the results.

if you want to know significance, then get you a site and see how significant it is.

still, if one actually READS any of the sales data or posts about an individual sale,
then they'd know where those reported sales were conducted, and if you take that data and then consider all the posts about "portfolio" sites.... then how many of those "sites" are in those reported sales?

all the folks who claim outbound sales, didn't get those sales from visitors to their portfolio sites.
and those who sold names on NJ/afternic/gd/uni/dan or via bodis/sedo/pc, etc didn't get the sale via their portfolio site either

so considering that volume
how significant is it, for one to have a portfolio site to sell domain names?

not so much, but if you have one that's fine,
if not, that's fine, and if you want one, that's fine too.

imo...

Mytz.com · May 25, 2020

The end user is not so easy to encounter, 99 percent of the domain name is between investors to move around

Altoz · Jul 9, 2020

abstractdomainer said:
But the question here would be..How many names do you sell via your own website vs on external platforms, which is when the portfolio name would have a significance. I'm just trying to understand

Except my first domain I sold (Coreon.com - 27k), all the rest I sold via my web portfolio.
Ticovista.com (10k)
axnMLS.com (3k)
CostaRicaVIP.com (5k)
Altoz.com (13k)
8Stars.com (5k)

All hand reged and only one I had to pay commission (Altoz - SEDO)
My problem was, that it was never my full time job, I never made any research and never listen to anyone. Estiboot and that crap had always my name valued almost at nothing and even here people would laugh. What I am saying is this: create your own domain that you believe in and have good feeling about, hand reg and make portfolio site. Don't sit on your butt (like I did), do some promo via FB, Linkedin, etc. Make research via big G who would be possible interested or fit your domain, then approach them directly, with nicely formed email.
This is my believe. Yes, you can also list them with other market place, but still YOUR portfolio site is a must!
Just make sure you forward (301) your domain at your registrar to your portfolio or better yet to your domain landing page. That's VERY important! Then pay and keep your fingers crossed

lock · Jul 10, 2020

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domainer.chat
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domainlegality.com
domainsranger.com
domainsused.com
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entireportfolio.com
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Would have more related to appraisals.

Name Trader · Jul 13, 2020

abstractdomainer said:
Makes sense! But the point is, how many are there like you. Who do that in the industry.
Even the websites are torn apart,

Very few.

Victor Reyes · Jul 17, 2020

I sell most of my domains at "reseller price" and because of that I don't see most of them developed

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