discuss .O Discussion

Paul Buonopane said:

I appreciate the response, but all I'm asking for here is a simple clarification: are your .o and .geek part of OpenNIC, or are they separate zones/roots? This is a very important distinction.

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They use a proprietary resolver.

Consider this:

.o - https://moderntld.com/registrars/
.bit - https://namecoin.org/dot-bit/
.lib - https://emercoin.com/en/documentation/blockchain-services/emerdns/emerdns-introduction
.coin - https://emercoin.com/en/documentation/blockchain-services/emerdns/emerdns-introduction
.emc - https://emercoin.com/en/documentation/blockchain-services/emerdns/emerdns-introduction
.bazar - https://emercoin.com/en/documentation/blockchain-services/emerdns/emerdns-introduction
.fur - http://www.nic.fur
.eth
.bbs - [email protected]
.chan - opennic.chan
.cyb - opennic.cyb
.dyn - be.libre
.geek - be.libre
.gopher - be.libre
.indy - be.libre
.libre - be.libre
.neo - [email protected]
.null - http://opennic.chan
.oss - be.libre
.oz - opennic.oz
.parody - be.libre
.pirate - [email protected]

From our research, 90% websites above works only with using https://wiki.opennic.org Browser Addons

As of today, the go-to plug-in has a whopping 6105 users:



It is trending up but it is insignificant.

Our free VPN does more and is also free, so why bother installing a Blockchain DNS resolver when you can use the Epik Anonymize VPN for free.

This is Wild West, Paul, and you know it. Epik is an order of magnitude more organized than most of the above listed bootstrap experiments with no revenue model and no infrastructure.

I do believe we'll have alternate DNS and will be happy to become the leading registrar for these experiments. Ultimately the demand will be directly correlated to their utility in real life.

So, we are working on:

- DNS resolvers
- WHOS services
- Viable marketplaces

If you know of someone doing more to make Alternate TLDs viable, please let me know.

Remember about the raspberry pi and whole toki stuff promotion in this thread ?

I just found a useful article on how you can make your own tld. https://famicoman.com/2015/11/27/how-to-run-your-own-independent-dns-with-custom-tlds/

You can use a raspberry pi and host your own dns server. Maybe it is useful to someone

@Rob Monster Please clarify whether Epik's .o and OpenNIC's .o are the same zone/root or separate. I've been lumping them together, but I'm getting the impression yours are separate, and I don't want to be spreading inaccurate information.

Paul Buonopane said:

I appreciate the response, but all I'm asking for here is a simple clarification: are your .o and .geek part of OpenNIC, or are they separate zones/roots? This is a very important distinction.

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Paul Buonopane said:

@Rob Monster Please clarify whether Epik's .o and OpenNIC's .o are the same zone/root or separate. I've been lumping them together, but I'm getting the impression yours are separate, and I don't want to be spreading inaccurate information.

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Thank you for trying to get a simple clarification.

I'm still a bit confused.

I assume others are too, especially those who read the first three lines of this threads opening post.

CreativeMedia.us said:

Managed by independent members of the community OpenNIC
Any opinion
Right now are for reg. at Epik.com

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cipcip said:

Remember about the raspberry pi and whole toki stuff promotion in this thread ?

I just found a useful article on how you can make your own tld. https://famicoman.com/2015/11/27/how-to-run-your-own-independent-dns-with-custom-tlds/

You can use a raspberry pi and host your own dns server. Maybe it is useful to someone

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Good one.

There is a large amount of very good open source solutions out there that you can build on to accelerate innovation.

The Raspberry Pi, as well as many Android phones, pack a tremendous amount of processing power in a small space with low cost and low power usage. It offers a fascinating path for decentralizing the Internet.

ICYMI, we are working on a new open source repository where these types of projects can be gifted to the world. You can see it staged here:

https://uppersource.com/

Paul Buonopane said:

@Rob Monster Please clarify whether Epik's .o and OpenNIC's .o are the same zone/root or separate. I've been lumping them together, but I'm getting the impression yours are separate, and I don't want to be spreading inaccurate information.

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It is separate.

OpenNic, like NameCoin before it, is looking like an academic experiment with no commercial champion.

If folks buy Alt domains at Epik, we'll at least make sure they resolve.

As explained above, the various ways in which they can be resolved is being expanded.

Also if someone wants to start their own Alt TLD, we provide that service.

Rob Monster said:

It is separate.

OpenNic, like NameCoin before it, is looking like an academic experiment with no commercial champion.

If folks buy Alt domains at Epik, we'll at least make sure they resolve.

As explained above, the various ways in which they can be resolved is being expanded.

Also if someone wants to start their own Alt TLD, we provide that service.

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Thanks for clarifying. That clears up quite a bit of the confusion on my end.

Rob Monster said:

It is separate.

OpenNic, like NameCoin before it, is looking like an academic experiment with no commercial champion.

If folks buy Alt domains at Epik, we'll at least make sure they resolve.

As explained above, the various ways in which they can be resolved is being expanded.

Also if someone wants to start their own Alt TLD, we provide that service.

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Are the alt gtlds offered by Epik bound by the rules set out at opennic?

Update: I just added the Blockchain DNS addon to Chrome and tested out both my single .geek name and .o name. In both cases I got an error from the DNS addon stating the resolution of both .geek and .o are temporarily unavailable. I am not sure if I am the only one having these problems though.

.h2o. said:

Update: I just added the Blockchain DNS addon to Chrome and tested out both my single .geek name and .o name. In both cases I got an error from the DNS addon stating the resolution of both .geek and .o are temporarily unavailable. I am not sure if I am the only one having these problems though.

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Same, but as pointed before, they should not work since they are 2 separate things. They do not belong to OpenNic.

Silentptnr said:

Are the alt gtlds offered by Epik bound by the rules set out at opennic?

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They are not.

We are evaluating whether to align with their initiative but as yet undecided.

There is likely a win-win synthesis coming down the road though.

Rob Monster said:

They are not.

We are evaluating whether to align with their initiative but as yet undecided.

There is likely a win-win synthesis coming down the road though.

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Does that apply to single character .geek.

What I'm saying is that I registered 8.geek. I then read about .geek on Opennic and subsequently the name got cancelled.

Interestingly enough, another one that I registered got cancelled and I only noticed when I logged in and looked. I hadn't ever discussed the second name. The domain I found cancelled without discussion was cloud.geek. You can probably look into it. I would like both back if possible. Not sure what happened there.

Is it possible, with Epik, to have a single character .geek?

Silentptnr said:

Does that apply to single character .geek.

What I'm saying is that I registered 8.geek. I then read about .geek on Opennic and subsequently the name got cancelled.

Interestingly enough, another one that I registered got cancelled and I only noticed when I logged in and looked. I hadn't ever discussed the second name.

Is it possible, with Epik, to have a single character .geek?

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If it is available, than single character names are fair game. Example:

http://marketplace.epik.com/1.truth

Rob Monster said:

I grasp that there is a different expectation for Epik as "Registrar of the year". @Sufyan Alani in his new role as VP Operations is going to help tidy this area up. It frankly was not even getting any management attention until an Epik staff member decided, on his own initiative, to make a thread about it. Prior to that, the Alt TLDx were a technical curiosity used by a very small customer base who valued it for a specific reason, which is that it works for their needs. For those who choose to speculate on Alt TLDs, the names are cheap because they are experimental. However, I do believe in them which is why we'll be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

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It has nothing to do with holding you to higher standards. The comment I referred to was patronizing.

This kinda stuff wouldn't sit right with me no matter what registrar offers it.

Concider this:

NameDeck said:

From the .geek thread:
Rammbo said: ↑
yep 100$+ bucks down the drain for me

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And your response is:

Rob Monster said:

As for the folks who bought them, we'll allow a full refund for anyone who did not grasp their function because they don't know how to distinguish a gTLD, a ccTLD and an Alt-TLD.

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When you advertise it like:


Seriously?

I am not as technically smart as probably almost everyone on this thread, but now the distinction by @Rob Monster to @Paul Buonopane question that it is separate from OpenNIC, but that Epik were evaluating whether to work with them, makes this seem really confusing to me.

I vaguely understand the rationale for a system of names outside ICANN and the standard DNS system. But it would seem to me hopelessly confusing that there is a .o that is OpenNIC and one that is Epik?

I am not saying that there is not a role for an entity like Epik to offer a smooth scaleable way to register and keep track of them, and use the existing resources of Epik to resolve them smoothly. Just that it needs to be really clear all the parameters to the buyer and user.

It seems to me that perhaps the thing to do is to not yet sell them, set up some sort of small beta trial, perhaps getting volunteers from NamePros, and then after all the things are sorted out launch them but in both registration, and when they are resold on your marketplace, clearly indicate that they are outside the standard domain ecosystem (whatever is the right term for them.... alternative ?).

I do appreciate you coming on and answering questions here, Rob.

Probably too simple minded, but just wanted to share my thoughts.

Bob

Bob Hawkes said:

I am not as technically smart as probably almost everyone on this thread, but now the distinction by @Rob Monster to @Paul Buonopane question that it is separate from OpenNIC, but that Epik were evaluating whether to work with them, makes this seem really confusing to me.

I vaguely understand the rationale for a system of names outside ICANN and the standard DNS system. But it would seem to me hopelessly confusing that there is a .o that is OpenNIC and one that is Epik?

I am not saying that there is not a role for an entity like Epik to offer a smooth scaleable way to register and keep track of them, and use the existing resources of Epik to resolve them smoothly. Just that it needs to be really clear all the parameters to the buyer and user.

It seems to me that perhaps the thing to do is to not yet sell them, set up some sort of small beta trial, perhaps getting volunteers from NamePros, and then after all the things are sorted out launch them but in both registration, and when they are resold on your marketplace, clearly indicate that they are outside the standard domain ecosystem (whatever is the right term for them.... alternative ?).

I do appreciate you coming on and answering questions here, Rob.

Probably too simple minded, but just wanted to share my thoughts.

Bob

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Amen

@Rob Monster You have to find someone who is better at explaining like you

This is just another worthless, bogus "extension".

Anything that requires a special setup such as root servers, software, add-on extensions is largely useless.

Brad

bmugford said:

This is just another worthless, bogus "extension".

Anything that requires a special setup such as root servers, software, add-on extensions is largely useless.

Brad

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Yes but what if there is a world war or corporate internet takeover? Or an alien space war?

of all the OpenNIC extensions, .o is my favorite

Suddenly all .geek / .o price go $199 ( pre order )

@Rob Monster
Can you please provide a link to any alt alt tld registered through Epik which has been developed or any one which have been developed by Epik (even a landing page) for trial?

ikhub said:

@Rob Monster
Can you please provide a link to any alt alt tld registered through Epik which has been developed or any one which have been developed by Epik (even a landing page) for trial?

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Very nice wikipedia page; lists all OpenNIC ext

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenNIC

i stand what i said; .o is the best one out all

Samer said:

Very nice wikipedia page; lists all Opennic exts

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenNIC

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That's not what I am looking for. Rob gave the list before. Unfortunately some of them does not work. As this is a .o discussion thread, I wanted to see a live page on a domain registered through Epik

Samer said:

Very nice wikipedia page; lists all OpenNIC ext

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenNIC

i stand what i said; .o is the best one out all

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This thread isn’t about OpenNIC’s .o, though. Rob has clarified that Epik’s .o is completely separate. Registering a .o domain at Epik won’t get you an OpenNIC .o domain.