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Lonn Dugan

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So... Yeah...

I am new at this domaining thing... I thought, what the heck, went and bought 21 Corona Virus related domains.

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Then I found out Godaddy won't list them and Google won't advertise them.

Where can I sell them? Should I sell as a portfolio or one at a time?
 
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If it's the ones in the background of your image then I'm afraid you likely won't have much luck regardless of where you try to sell them. It's not about them being Covid-19 related, but more that they are too convoluted to realistically have buyers.

That being said .. you should always list your domains for sale at as many venues as possible.

Otherwise put them up for auction here at NamePros and maybe you'll get lucky and recover a couple of dollars for them.

If I were you, if you bought them in the last couple of days I'd talk to your registrar about cancelling them and getting a refund.
 
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Delete them, total waste of money
 
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Thanks Ategy for reply and advice.

I know, some are obtuse, and too long for branding... but some are going to be natural type in searches so I thought they would have good organic seo rank potential. For instance: CoronaVirus(-)Test(-)Kits.com. Do you think that one has no value?

If it's the ones in the background of your image then I'm afraid you likely won't have much luck regardless of where you try to sell them. It's not about them being Covid-19 related, but more that they are too convoluted to realistically have buyers.

That being said .. you should always list your domains for sale at as many venues as possible.

Otherwise put them up for auction here at NamePros and maybe you'll get lucky and recover a couple of dollars for them.

If I were you, if you bought them in the last couple of days I'd talk to your registrar about cancelling them and getting a refund.
 
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Thanks Sumeeth for the suggestion. I will check epik site

Epik.com accepts Corona virus domains to list in their marketplace.

Please check this article on how to add your domains to epik marketplace

Thanks,
 
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I know, some are obtuse, and too long for branding... but some are going to be natural type in searches so I thought they would have good organic seo rank potential. For instance: CoronaVirus(-)Test(-)Kits.com. Do you think that one has no value?

I am *NOT* an SEO expert .. but from what I gather, domains have a significantly less impact on SEO over the last few years, so while maybe that could turn a head, with the hyphens your buyer pool would be very limited. Interestingly enough that was by FAR the best of the bunch .. but I personally would not have even paid hand-registration for it. Even if Coronavirus is a single word, most people will assume otherwise and thus even that domain isn't memorable because people will remember it as Corona-Virus-Test-Kits (please do NOT go out and pay for that one). Maybe try to cancel all the others and use that to learn .. with all the hype you might get someone to grab it if you price it cheap.

For the others putting Covid and Corona in the same domain is overly redundant .. nobody refers to it that way. You need to think .. if you had a business would you use those domains? To me the answer is a strong no.

Anyhow .. best of luck either way! With all the scare, you could get lucky with that one .. for the rest I fear you'll need more than just luck! ;)
 
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Ategy:

Thanks again for the conversation. I appreciate your thoughts.

Do registrars really allow cancellations/refunds? I never heard of that.

As you said, domain names carry less ranking weight than a few years ago. But being an SEO guy, I can tell you that they still count quite a bit in ranking a site.

But that doesn't help me if expert domainers like yourself are not weighing potential SEO value. You know a lot more than I do about domain value in the eyes of an investor so that is why I am asking. Do you think it is a common position among domain investors that SEO potential has little effect on the value of a domain?

For context, I am an SEO guy who builds websites to rank. I have almost NO experience in the field of domain investing. I have only sold 3-4 domains in all my 20 years of being a webhead. It just has not been a focus of my business at all. The sales I did make all came to me from developed or partially developed sites that had accomplished google page one rank for natural searches in a sector that the inquiring investor was focusing on.

For Example:
  • One was a single word domain name that went for $10,000. I was making $500 a month from google ads on that one. It sold to an investor who found it due to my having accomplished a global #1 rank for it. He set up an seo magnet site charging for outbound links. They did well for a while but not so much these days...
  • The last domain I sold was SolarCongo.com, registered for a client who provided solar power engineering in the Congo... but they ended up not wanting it... I got an offer out of the blue based on a hosted landing page with a partially developed site. It was bought by an investor who bought to hold, but he apparently sold it recently.
Anyway, even while Google and other search engines are disavowing domain names as significant in ranking algorithms, they also intentionally put out misinformation in order to keep the water muddy as far as what does get a site ranked. For instance, they widely disavow considering alt image tags for SEO value, but they DEFINITELY do in fact still use them as ranking signals. Final thought... search engine algorithms parse natural words in domain names, and ignore punctuation, so hyphens can actually help them do that.

But like I said, if SEO potential isn't being considered then I guess I will have to give up on my fantasy.

What do you think would be a fair price to dump my best Conoravirus domains?


I am *NOT* an SEO expert .. but from what I gather, domains have a significantly less impact on SEO over the last few years, so while maybe that could turn a head, with the hyphens your buyer pool would be very limited. Interestingly enough that was by FAR the best of the bunch .. but I personally would not have even paid hand-registration for it. Even if Coronavirus is a single word, most people will assume otherwise and thus even that domain isn't memorable because people will remember it as Corona-Virus-Test-Kits (please do NOT go out and pay for that one). Maybe try to cancel all the others and use that to learn .. with all the hype you might get someone to grab it if you price it cheap.

For the others putting Covid and Corona in the same domain is overly redundant .. nobody refers to it that way. You need to think .. if you had a business would you use those domains? To me the answer is a strong no.

Anyhow .. best of luck either way! With all the scare, you could get lucky with that one .. for the rest I fear you'll need more than just luck! ;)
 
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Do registrars really allow cancellations/refunds? I never heard of that.
Yes .. but only within a few days of purchase (somewhere between 3 and 7 days I think, so contact them ASAP if that's the case .. just keep the one we discussed if you want, although I'd personally just do them all to keep it simple).


But that doesn't help me if expert domainers like yourself are not weighing potential SEO value. You know a lot more than I do about domain value in the eyes of an investor so that is why I am asking. Do you think it is a common position among domain investors that SEO potential has little effect on the value of a domain?

Honestly .. it depends on what you mean by domain investors. It's important to note that the majority of "domain investors" do not make money. If those domains truly do have high SEO value and you're sure they will actually generate traffic on their own as domains, then I'm thinking there might be a handful of SEO specific buyers out there. But unfortunately I can't help you with that. I'm a domainer who focuses on building a portfolio with inbound buyers who generally purchase domains to use for a business or product/service. So speaking on that basis, these domains have pretty much zero value with zero chance of selling. There's always a luck factor, but it's seriously stretching the probabilities on those domains.

That's the thing though .. if you do build up the domains for traffic via SEO .. then the value of your potential sales are in the work you've done and the buyer values the content/traffic. The domains themselves I feel are essentially worthless, so it's not really "domaining" what you'd be doing, it would be development. There certainly is money in that I think if you know what you're doing .. but again .. not domaining.


What do you think would be a fair price to dump my best Conoravirus domains?
Not to be mean .. but if you offered them to me for $1 I wouldn't take them. That being said .. if it's too late to cancel them, maybe bundle them up and put them at auction here at NamePros starting at $1 .. some starting domainers jump on trends and don't understand what makes some domains unsellable to end-users, so maybe you could get lucky and off load them to the next person .. but ultimately I don't ever see these going to an end user .. with the possible exception of the one we discussed, but even then it's a longshot that I personally would never bet on.

However .. if you truly think they do have SEO value, then maybe there's something there. Again, as a "domainer", I focus on acquiring domains that I feel have a chance of selling to end users at a serious mark-up.

that's the thing with being an end user buyer trying to become a domainer .. in some ways it gives you a HUGE advantage .. but you need to get past the "dreaming up an idea or way to use the domain" and instead focus on domains that have existing demand for actual existing potential end users. It's not easy to reprogram your mind like that .. lol .. but once it does click you'll see it clearly .. most of us have all been through the same thing ..

Essentially stop thinking "this domain would be good for this/that.
And then start thinking "this domain IS good for this/that" .. AND .. already has an existing potential market/demand .. AND .. that demand is high enough to demand a high enough multiple in price AND has enough of a chance of selling at that price to justify the risk.

Hope that made sense? lol
 
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Good stuff. Thanks. I understand the shift you are talking about...

Actually, I did buy a few domains with intended end users, hyper local, like toledo-air-conditioning-com and toledo-furnace-repair-com (again with the natural type in SEO value too) but the client I had in mind didn't buy them after all. So now I am left holding them...

I guess I hould probably reach out to specific potential buyers, maybe make an email list and hit them once a month or so on a drip campaign?

Can you share what methods have worked for you to move the domains you buy with end users in mind?


Yes .. but only within a few days of purchase (somewhere between 3 and 7 days I think, so contact them ASAP if that's the case .. just keep the one we discussed if you want, although I'd personally just do them all to keep it simple).




Honestly .. it depends on what you mean by domain investors. It's important to note that the majority of "domain investors" do not make money. If those domains truly do have high SEO value and you're sure they will actually generate traffic on their own as domains, then I'm thinking there might be a handful of SEO specific buyers out there. But unfortunately I can't help you with that. I'm a domainer who focuses on building a portfolio with inbound buyers who generally purchase domains to use for a business or product/service. So speaking on that basis, these domains have pretty much zero value with zero chance of selling. There's always a luck factor, but it's seriously stretching the probabilities on those domains.

That's the thing though .. if you do build up the domains for traffic via SEO .. then the value of your potential sales are in the work you've done and the buyer values the content/traffic. The domains themselves I feel are essentially worthless, so it's not really "domaining" what you'd be doing, it would be development. There certainly is money in that I think if you know what you're doing .. but again .. not domaining.



Not to be mean .. but if you offered them to me for $1 I wouldn't take them. That being said .. if it's too late to cancel them, maybe bundle them up and put them at auction here at NamePros starting at $1 .. some starting domainers jump on trends and don't understand what makes some domains unsellable to end-users, so maybe you could get lucky and off load them to the next person .. but ultimately I don't ever see these going to an end user .. with the possible exception of the one we discussed, but even then it's a longshot that I personally would never bet on.

However .. if you truly think they do have SEO value, then maybe there's something there. Again, as a "domainer", I focus on acquiring domains that I feel have a chance of selling to end users at a serious mark-up.

that's the thing with being an end user buyer trying to become a domainer .. in some ways it gives you a HUGE advantage .. but you need to get past the "dreaming up an idea or way to use the domain" and instead focus on domains that have existing demand for actual existing potential end users. It's not easy to reprogram your mind like that .. lol .. but once it does click you'll see it clearly .. most of us have all been through the same thing ..

Essentially stop thinking "this domain would be good for this/that.
And then start thinking "this domain IS good for this/that" .. AND .. already has an existing potential market/demand .. AND .. that demand is high enough to demand a high enough multiple in price AND has enough of a chance of selling at that price to justify the risk.

Hope that made sense? lol
 
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When I talk existing end-users I'm not talking about 2-3 .. I'm talking broad general demand ..

Check this thread for the type of stuff I was targeting a while ago ..
https://www.namepros.com/threads/domains-you-won-at-auction-or-closeout.1050374/page-25


I only started domaining in late 2016 (I had domains for many many years before that, but not with sole intention of reselling the domain only). Last year I made a nice little profit .. not enough to live off of .. but a nice difference maker. I say that to also tell you that my sell-through rate last year was under 1% (admittedly I've not very organised and my domains are not priced/listed anything close to near everywhere), but I buy solid domains at extremely good prices which allowed me to sell them at over 100x .. which means I ultimately make a profit.

Domaining is NOT easy .. most people fail to understand what makes a good domain. What's important to note is that even good (non-liquid) domains have a 1-2% sell through rate a year .. so you really need to do far better than the average domainer even to make a little money.

It's all about recognising the potential sales-multiple and combine it with the potential probability of sale. There most certainly are tons of technical metrics that help with those assessments .. but after a while when a broader understanding sets in you'll just start to feel it in your gut.

A big help beyond absorbing NamePros is to go back and listen to old episodes of DomainSherpa .. a lot of it is old info .. some opinions I don't even agree with .. but there is tons of great information there and will help you get a broad understanding. Then keep listening and relistening to them until there's a point where there are things you don't actually agree with .. and you can justify why! (Most of it is because they focus more on big ticket domains, and less on domains held by the average domainer.
 
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