poll What percent of domain sale do you think is reported?

Arpit131 · Feb 18, 2020

Please share your rationale behind the option used.
By domain sale, I mean the ones that are sold above $100 and reported on places like Namebio

Arpit131 · Feb 18, 2020

I chose 25 - 50% because I think a lot of domainers indulge in private deals which are not reported.
Also, outbound domainers do a large volume in low to high $$$ range in 100s per month and the sales are not reported.
And hence, a 25 - 50% estimate makes sense.

EmpireNames.com · Feb 18, 2020

its just 10-20%
not more then that...
its huge market and impossible to cover more then 20%

lock · Feb 18, 2020

Only the private sales aren't being reported. All the marketplaces establish themselves by reporting their sales. I would think it would be around the 35% as a guess but I probably would trust Riz on his numbers as he is a nerd in a good way

karmaco · Feb 18, 2020

Well under 20 percent. Most sales are not being reported officially if at all like Afternic, GoDaddy, all registrars, brandable marketplaces, private, DAN, Epik, etc.

Mister Funsky · Feb 18, 2020

I voted 0 to 25.

NYJimbo · Feb 23, 2020

Only 2 of the past 35 names I sold appear in any of the sales lists. These were sold in Sedo, Afternic and Dan. All were $199 to $688.

Charybdis · Jun 7, 2021

I wanted to ask this same question ("What percent of domain sale do you think is reported?") but I searched first and found this thread. So I don't start my own thread.

Please discuss this further.

And I am especially interested in what percent of domain name sales do you think is reported on Namebio.com?

@Michael

FolioTeam · Jun 7, 2021

I voted 0-25%. A lot of sales don't get reported. For people who report sales, some report names that sold for substantial sums or sales with some interesting stories attached.

Michael · Jun 7, 2021

Retail I would say very low, maybe even fractions of a percent. Wholesale I would imagine we probably get a majority of sales. There's no way to be sure how much there is of something that isn't reported though.

That said, for retail comps you don't really need completeness, as it isn't a very liquid market and retail sales have little predictive value. As long as you can find a few good comps for any domain you're negotiating on I think you're good. We do have tens of thousands of retail sales, maybe even a six-figure number.

Wholesale is where I think completeness becomes more important.

bmugford · Jun 7, 2021

I think it is between 5% - 15% of total sales volume, but probably even lower when it comes to actual dollars. Many of the biggest sales are not reported.

Even when domains sell via popular venues like GoDaddy/Afternic most are not reported.

Brad

NYJimbo · Jun 7, 2021

Glad to see this thread revived.

In the past 6 weeks I have sold 7 domains in the $199-$688 range (which is the best range for me). Not a single one shows up on Namebio or any other list.

So yeah, the reported sales are a tiny fraction of actual sales.

Future Sensors · Jun 7, 2021

NYJimbo said:
Glad to see this thread revived.

In the past 6 weeks I have sold 7 domains in the $199-$688 range (which is the best range for me). Not a single one shows up on Namebio or any other list.

So yeah, the reported sales are a tiny fraction of actual sales.

DAN doesn't report either in the default configuration.

I've reported some sales to Namebio manually, but don't do it anymore. Maybe I'll start doing it again when there's a real incentive for me. I'm not using the site myself, but I'm reading every DN blog that reports sales from different venues for a long time.

NYJimbo · Jun 7, 2021

Future Sensors said:
...I'm reading every DN blog that reports sales from different venues for a long time.

I also wait for DNJournals report every week/2 weeks and use it to get ideas, trends, pricing, etc. But I imagine 90% of sales we will never know about.

Samer · Jun 7, 2021

50-90

i’m an optimist

Revisiting · Jun 7, 2021

I would say around 30% find their way into reports one way or another - Very high value is difficult to hide in the business world. Low to average value nobody cares whether it's reported or not (except people like us)

wwwulff · Jun 7, 2021

I think less than 10% are ever reported - Afterrnic, Godaddy, HugeDomain, Dan and many others dont report sales - In addition, brandable marketplaces like BrandBucket and BrandPa dont report their sales - You can follow most sales via SquadHelp's own page, but only a fraction are reported elsewhere (I have a list of over 3000 names sold there from January last year to now and only a very small part are reported elsewhere).

Lox · Jun 7, 2021

Raw - World out there:
453M domain names - cctld, n/gtld, ecosys ext.

05 Jun raw 310K new regs.
04 Jun raw open whois 200K registrant changes
05 Jun raw 1.6K company rebrands to ...

Afternic alone listing 20M. AN Today 20M. AN year before, 10M.

The Aftermarket listing (for sale) is due to double in 2022.

(so keep this in mind when reg. new names and looking at these reports/charts)

Regards

johnn · Jun 7, 2021

Somewhere in the range of 1-99%

Charybdis · Jun 8, 2021

Michael said:
Retail I would say very low, maybe even fractions of a percent. Wholesale I would imagine we probably get a majority of sales. There's no way to be sure how much there is of something that isn't reported though.

That said, for retail comps you don't really need completeness, as it isn't a very liquid market and retail sales have little predictive value. As long as you can find a few good comps for any domain you're negotiating on I think you're good. We do have tens of thousands of retail sales, maybe even a six-figure number.

Wholesale is where I think completeness becomes more important.

So when I see on Namebio.com that there are 2000 total sales containing my keyword, then in the reality it could be as high as 200 000 or even as high as 1 000 000 ?

And what about the "average price" reported by Namebio, how accurate is that?

bmugford · Jun 8, 2021

Charybdis said:
So when I see on Namebio.com that there are 2000 total sales containing my keyword, then in the reality it could be as high as 200 000 or even as high as 1 000 000 ?

And what about the "average price" reported by Namebio, how accurate is that?

Not many, if any, keywords have 2000 reported sales.

The percentage also probably depends on the type of format as well.

On some like lll.com, llll.com, etc. I would expect to be higher since a lot of those trade around between domain investors at auction venues.

Brad

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