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@Haris sent me a direct message that A 6N for sale and ask my offer.

I give him my offer is $700.

Then I found this domain was on expired auction.

I finally won this domain on auction for $700.

Maybe he is the second highest bider.
 
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Doing your own research and due diligence before exchanging any money during a transaction has been highly promoted here or Name Pros. Not knowing all the particulars to your incident just clearly shows your actions were a example of putting in the time and work to validate all information prior to any sale...:xf.wink:
 
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Is the domain already in your possession ? Have you talked to @Haris in private before making this public ? Maybe it still belongs to him and he may renew it anytime he want.

I have never done it but it is possible to let your name go to expiry and then see what happens at the auction and then renew it. It has happened a few times on Dynadot, when I had the winning bid but the owner renewed it at the last moment.
 
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Is the domain already in your possession ? Have you talked to @Haris in private before making this public ? Maybe it still belongs to him and he may renew it anytime he want.

I have never done it but it is possible to let your name go to expiry and then see what happens at the auction and then renew it. This is definitely one sneaky way to get real valuation of domain for free. It has happened a few times on Dynadot, when I had the winning bid but the owner renewed it at the last moment.
Already mine.
 
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He didn’t sell you a name that didn’t belong to him. His name was in redemption or grace period and he could have renewed at any moment should a deal have been struck. To refer to him as a “cheater” in your thread title in uncalled for and a false accusation.

You got the domain— what exactly are you complaining about? That you paid the registrar what you claim you were going to pay him?
 
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He didn’t sell you a name that didn’t belong to him. His name was in redemption or grace period and he could have renewed at any moment should a deal have been struck. To refer to him as a “cheater” in your thread title in uncalled for and a false accusation.

You got the domain— what exactly are you complaining about? That you paid the registrar what you claim you were going to pay him?

I think OP didn't consider the possibility that the expired domain was his, as seen from his last line.
 
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He didn’t sell you a name that didn’t belong to him. His name was in redemption or grace period and he could have renewed at any moment should a deal have been struck. To refer to him as a “cheater” in your thread title in uncalled for and a false accusation.

You got the domain— what exactly are you complaining about? That you paid the registrar what you claim you were going to pay him?
I think OP didn't consider the possibility that the expired domain was his, as seen from his last line.

I am sure that this domain not belong to him.
Dont worry about that.
 
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No need for this. You got the domain. He got the payment?

Why are you sure it's not his?

He has 150 positive reviews, and this his first red. (now 99%)

You 56 positive reviews, he gave u, your first red (now 98%)
 
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Just move on, delete both red reviews, since you got the domain.

Come on guys.. Seems like a misunderstanding..

Samer
 
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No need for this. You got the domain. He got the payment. need proof.

Why are you sure not his? Because it was on DropCatch?

He has 150 positive reviews, and this is his first red. (now 99%)

You 56 positive reviews, and he return the favor with ur first red (now 98%)

My offer is Domain Appraisal. Domain apprarisal is not free. It spend my time and it is my expirence.
I spend hundreds of dollar more than I shoud if he is the second highest bidder.
He leave retalitory feedback. I had ask admin to delete it and he do this again.
 
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My offer is Domain Appraisal. Domain apprarisal is not free. It spend my time and it is my expirence.
I spend hundreds of dollar more than I shoud if he is the second highest bidder.
He leave retalitory feedback. I had ask admin to delete it and he do this again.

I hope gets resolved, fast and both -- or at least one back to 100%.

Didnt know mods could even delete feedback.. See many with 1 red, assumed they couldnt.

I like u, cuz have cheapest LLLL.com :)

Samer
 
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I have asked @70ym politely to close this thread filled with false accusations and delete that unfair feedback but he thinks that he is gaining something by launching a campaign against me.

What happened was that I found 899199.com at auction and messaged him.

899199.com for sale

He asked for price and I asked him

Can you please tell me what the reseller price should be for this domain? 899199.com

His reply.

From my message he understood that I don't own the domain and he found it at auction and purchased it and reported me as well as gave me a negative feedback even though there was no transaction and we had no binding sales agreement.

I understand that reporting me was the right thing to do as even though I never claimed that I owned the domain I implied that I own the domain and I honestly never knew that it was against the rules, I have never broken any rules in the 5 years I have been a member here. I understand that what I did can be called unethical and I have apologized to @70ym as well as the NP moderators and the NP moderators gave me an infraction but they understand that now that I know about this rule I am never going to break it. Fortunately I sell domains very frequently to end-users and I don't need to lie to or cheat anyone to earn more money. I just found the domain at auction, liked it and checked NameBio but couldn't guess what the price should be and how much I should bid that's why I asked for a price before buying the domain. If I would've told him that the domain was at auction he would've bid on it as well and that was obviously not the smart thing to do.

Our conversation after creation of this thread.

I didn't knew that it is against the rules to offer domains that are not in the seller's possession. I apologize for this, I don't get what you earn by leaving a negative feedback and also creating a thread against me even though you have already purchased the domain.

I would appreciate if you close that thread and remove that feedback, also edit your post.. what you are doing is unfair.

His reply.
You are not noly selll domains that not belong to you and ask my offer.
My offer is Domain Appraisal. Domain apprarisal is not free. It spend my time and it is my expirence.

And I am doubt that you place bid against me on auction sicne I give you my offer, which cause that I spend hunders of dollar more on auction.

My reply
It is a false accusation that I sell domains that I don't own, it was one domain that I offered and NamePros management can tell you that I have never been accused of this before. I apologize for wasting your time but don't you think that creating a thread against me was a waste of your time too?

It is only a doubt and a false allegation that I was bidding against you, there are millions of domainers and maybe some of them were bidding against you, I wasn't even watching that auction. You spent more money on that auction because the domain was worth the price not because of me. I request again to please close and edit that thread and remove the negative feedback, please understand that you won't benefit from this.

So he is angry because he spent a few seconds thinking about the $700 price he offered which he calls 'domain appraisal' which is not free, if it was not free than he should've asked me to pay a price before giving that appraisal. Does he not realize that launching this campaign against me is also wasting his time?

He's also angry because he has a doubt that I was bidding against him, which is legal by the way. Notice that he claims that he spent "hunders of dollar more on auction" when he also claimed that he paid $700 and coincidentally his domain appraisal was also $700. To be fair only he knows how much he paid at that auction. But whatever he paid and whoever was bidding against him, no one forced his hand and he paid what he wanted to pay and no sane person would blame me for this even if I would've been the 2nd highest bidder.

Everyone can now hopefully understand the reality of the situation, you can blame me for offering a domain that I never owned and I accept and apologize for this mistake.

What I have a problem with is someone falsely accusing me of selling domains I don't own like I do that habitually and the NP mods are not doing anything about this false accusation. They are quick to remove the negative feedback I left for him but when I told them to remove his feedback they claimed that they can't do that.

My review (below) of him which is 100% correct has been removed by NP mods multiple times but I will continue to leave this feedback until the end of the world unless his review is removed from my profile.
Liar, makes false accusations.

NP mods claim that there was a binding agreement that's why the 'buyer' can leave a negative feedback for me but if I leave a negative feedback for him that's retaliatory and against the rules. This is number 1 bullshit.

My messages to NP mods

There was no binding agreement between us, I offered a name for sale and he made a offer that's it, I never accepted any offer and he never paid me, no payment methods were shared. I would appreciate if you do something about it.

There was no binding sales agreement and if you consider what happened to be a 'binding sales agreement', then i should also be able to leave a feedback as well. My feedback may be retaliatory, but it contains no lies. As moderators you should be unbiased.

I also have a right to leave a feedback for him, because 2 sides are involved in this so-called 'transaction'. As you can see our conversation, I politely ask him to close that thread and delete that feedback but the reason he won't do that is because he offered a price which he calls 'domain appraisal' and he says it's not free. He is also blaming me for spending more money (which he doesn't give proof of) on that auction because he thinks I was bidding against him. This is unfair.

His feedback was in retaliation of the amount he had to pay for that auction.

Even if I was bidding against him is that illegal or something? His feedback was in retaliation of the supposedly high amount he had to pay at that auction, we don't even know if he really paid $700. NP mods have been biased against me as they are continuously removing my negative feedback for him.

Screenshots of everything I have said above can be provided. And I again apologize to the domain community for this unintentional mistake and I assure everyone that it will never happen again. Thanks.
 
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I had a topic about selling domains you don't own.
https://www.namepros.com/threads/caution-to-members-people-selling-domains-they-dont-own.1088600/

It was picked up on debated on some of the blogs so there is a fair amount of info about this if you look for it.

Maybe it will give @Haris some insight about it.

Maybe it will give @70ym some idea what I did to handle it.

I did report the guy to namepros and he was warned, I also informed the true owner of the domain.

I did NOT leave negative feedback nor did I disclose the person publicly.
I just felt that even good people sometimes make mistakes and a warning from namepros was enough. I did not feel I had to lambast the person publicly nor did I feel the need to leave negative feedback.

All in all the members reacted a bit differently to my topic than this one but if I had any advice for @70ym I would say an infraction is enough and I would consider removing the negative feedback. Our reputation is very important on namepros and @Haris has admitted his error. For me that would be enough and I would remove the negative feedback.

Consider that one day someone else may do the same for you if you make a mistake.
The thing about karma is that it often comes back to you.

Consider it...
 
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