strategy Share your creative outbound emails

Grego85 said:

I wouldn't mind seeing some examples from some of the experts that have been participating in the thread.

Thanks to Frank for posting the exact email that got him the sale! One of the most helpful posts in thread IMO.

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thank you

I started to regret to have openly posted

oldtimer said:

My post above wasn't meant to blame you as I think of you as someone who has fallen victim to the misinformation and the wrong strategies that are being provided by some of the members here, I just don't want to see more people fall victim to the wrong methods that are being taught here by some of the members who might not even know the definition of spamming. As you recall I strongly emphasized on contacting one potential buyer at a time and to only do that for high quality domains that might be a perfect fit for the field of their operation and their product and services.

So far I have been thinking of you as an honest domainer who was helping others get some nice New gTLD domains at bargain prices, and as such do you honestly think that it's okay to send hundreds of emails for each domain like some of the people that you are praising here are telling others to do (what they are teaching others to do is the definition of spamming).

IMO

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So by your definition, spam is defined by how many emails you send out to DIFFERENT people? As if there is some magical counter that shows the recipient how many other emails you've sent for the same subject matter..

So if my domain has potential broad appeal to more than just a few companies, and I want to make sure all of the potential suitors for my name have the opportunity buy it, that is what makes it spam? Hunh?

What difference does it make how many DIFFERENT people get an email for a name with a broad appeal?

Actually, In Frank's case, I believe the fact that he mentioned that he is also sending the email to other similar companies not only gives him some credibility for being real and honest, it also helps create more urgency to act quickly if there is interest. I am for sure going to adopt that part of his tactics for my own.

And I'll also argue, that if your name only has appeal to a few companies, that is where cybersquatting accusations can start to make sense. What's worse? squatting or spamming?

What makes more sense.. buying domains with broad appeal or minuscule appeal?

You also never mentioned anything that makes your drivel ok, and others more respectful "to the point emails" not ok?

Grego85 said:

So by your definition, spam is defined by how many emails you send out to DIFFERENT people? As if there is some magical counter that shows the recipient how many other emails you've sent for the same subject matter..

So if my domain has potential broad appeal to more than just a few companies, and I want to make sure all of the potential suitors for my name have the opportunity buy it, that is what makes it spam? Hunh!

What difference does it make how many DIFFERENT people get an email for a name with a broad appeal?

Actually, In Frank's case, I believe the fact that he mentioned that he is also sending the email to other similar companies not only gives him some credibility for being real and honest, it also helps create more urgency to act quickly if there is interest. I am for sure going to adopt that part of his tactics for my own.

And I'll also argue, that if your name only has appeal to a few companies, that is where cybersquatting accusations can start to make sense. What's worse? squatting or spamming? What makes more sense.. buying domains with broad appeal or minuscule appeal? You also never mentioned anything that makes your drivel ok, and others more respectful "to the point emails" not ok?

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If your domain has that much appeal then I am sure that end users will notice it on one of the marketplaces or by just typing it in directly and going to your sales lander. And if you were the only domainer that was sending out hundreds of emails perhaps it wouldn't make that much of a difference in the big picture, but when you have thousands of domainers who each might own hundreds of domains sending out hundreds of generic emails for each one of their domains then I am sure that you agree that that amounts to an astronomical number of spam that is going to go out every day, not to mention those who have automated scripts that send out thousands of emails everyday.

The whole mindset of mass emailing for selling domains is wrong and should not be taught here no mater how you try to justify it to yourself.

You might even be able to justify sending out a few emails at the same time to the top prospects for your domain, but when you get in to sending 400 generic emails for one domain as was mentioned here earlier I don't think that that would be considered to be okay by any definition of spam as far as I know.

IMO

oldtimer said:

If your domain has that much appeal then I am sure that end users will notice it on one of the marketplaces or by just typing it in directly and going to your sales lander. And if you were the only domainer that was sending out hundreds of emails perhaps it wouldn't make that much of a difference in the big picture, but when you have thousands of domainers who each might own hundreds of domains sending out hundreds of generic emails for each one of their domains then I am sure that you agree that that amounts to an astronomical number of spam that is going to go out every day, not to mention those who have automated scripts that send out thousands of emails everyday.

The whole mindset of mass emailing is wrong and should not be taught here no mater how you try to justify it to yourself.

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each email goes to 1 person. That means 1 message in their inbox. That person's inbox is not connected to other people's inboxes. If others are sending emails to that same recipient about their domains, there is nothing anyone can do about that. That will also include the "few" people that get emails from you. It makes no difference that you only sent it to those few. Everyone is an individual, we are not part of a Borg collective.

There is plenty of bandwidth, I don't think you need to worry about how many emails are sent out every day.

How many companies will pay millions to advertise during the Superbowl next weekend? The whole damn point is to get as broad an audience as possible to sell something to them. Should we label those companies as spammers for trying to sell to too many people at once?

But I suppose it makes it all better to convolute the content of emails to mention where the recipient grew up or what college they went to? That makes it all better? Or maybe I should start mentioning in my emails: "Hey, dont worry! I only sent this to a few other people, so its not spam!"?

You make 0 sense to me.. You are just out of touch IMO

Grego85 said:

But I suppose it makes it all better to convolute the content of emails to mention where the recipient grew up or what college they went to?

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Perhaps you misunderstood what I meant by Targeted email, I didn't mean targeted to their personal life but rather targeted to the field of their operation and their products and services.

Grego85 said:

You make 0 sense to me.. You are just out of touch IMO

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If they ever change the definition of spamming to allow for what you consider to make sense then I will gladly change my mind as I am a domainer too, but as the rules and regulations for spamming stand today unfortunately it doesn't allow that much room for play.

Have a nice day.

IMO

oldtimer said:

Perhaps you misunderstood what I meant by Targeted email, I didn't mean targeted to their personal life but rather targeted to the field of their operation and their products and services.

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That is something one does BEFORE ever sending out any email! Not everyone is out there taking time to collect emails to irrelevant recipients! Don't hate because people have domains with a broader appeal in the aftermarket than you! Not all of us hand reg obscure thesaurus based names with little relevance to current business! I think I get it now, you are just jealous of others with better names than you.

oldtimer said:

If they ever change the definition of spamming to allow for what you consider to make sense then I will gladly change my mind as I am a domainer too, but as the rules and regulations for spamming stand today unfortunately it doesn't allow that much room for play.

Have a nice day.

IMO

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Who is "they"? If this thread makes anything clear, it is that many of us have DIFFERENT opinions of what spam is. That is why I took offense to your slandering posts. Some of us have better ideas than you. You don't get to speak for everyone.

Tell us your opinion, fine. But when you say shit like " I don't think that there should be any disagreement on the fact that people here should not be encouraging and teaching others how to spam or support those who are engaging in such practices."

No! You don't get to accuse any of us as spammers! You certainly don't get to presume to know more than any of us when you have never had any success in domaining, including wholesaling or anything else!
Get off your high (and fake) horse! I have no respect for some guy who hangs out and does nothing to further our business, and I'll argue with you til the sun comes up if you think you can come in here and tell us what is right and wrong in this business.

Grego85 said:

and I'll argue with you til the sun comes up if you think you can come in here and tell us what is right and wrong in this business.

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No need to argue with me anymore, lets wait and see what others here think of as to what is and is not considered to be spam.

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Defining spam is always a tricky issue in these outbound discussion threads. I think we can all agree that any unsolicited email has the potential to be spam. It depends entirely on the feelings and the response of the person on the other end.

@oldtimer - I tend to fall more on your side of the fence, since I send my emails one at a time, with the recipient's name (always) and company (often) included in the body. The domains I outbound generally have a smaller audience, since in my view those are the ones that require some additional promotion. They are always generic names of products or services that make up the core offering of the companies I contact. My names that have a wider appeal (or are more brandable in nature) are simply listed at marketplaces and landers to wait for offers.

That being said, I don't want to play the role of judge or outbound police in this thread. While I may not personally like the idea of mass emails (nor do I encourage that particular strategy), the truth is that there are domain sellers who are able to use them to their advantage. And it's unlikely that my personal opinion will sway anyone who has had success with this method.

I believe there are some pitfalls with sending the same email to many recipients (emails being more easily flagged? Possibly some reputation loss among potential future buyers or other domainers?), so let's just discuss those in a productive way without putting anyone down. In the end, readers will make up their own minds and learn from their own experiences.

Joe Nichols said:

I believe there are some pitfalls with sending the same email to many recipients (emails being more easily flagged?

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no idea why you guys think that I have sent the emails all at once to many recipients
I never said so

I had sent every email individually
and when I got the name I change the salutation to

"Hey Guy,"



Google didn't think I was spamming
so why should you?

frank-germany said:

no idea why you guys think that I have sent the emails all at once to many recipients
I never said so

I had sent every email individually
and when I got the name I change the salutation to

"Hey Guy,"



Google didn't think I was spamming
so why should you?

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Sorry for the confusion, Frank. I wasn't referring to you specifically, just generally addressing the comments made by @oldtimer

I appreciate the info you shared, particularly since it's real content from a completed outbound sale.

^ Frank is who oldtimer was clearly targeting in his slander.

I don't think anyone in this thread has said anything about mass "all at once" emails. or sending "thousands of emails"

Only Oldtimer in his quest to go on the offensive said anything about those things.

In the example I provided, I clearly address each individual by title and last name. I also respect their time by not pandering to them over trivial irrelevant things. But I'm accused of being a spammer, and I'm not the only one.

Grego85 said:

^ Frank is who oldtimer was clearly targeting in his slander.

I don't think anyone in this thread has said anything about mass "all at once" emails. or sending "thousands of emails"

Only Oldtimer in his quest to go on the offensive said anything about those things.

In the example I provided, I clearly address each individual by title and last name. I also respect their time by not pandering to them over trivial irrelevant things. But I'm accused of being a spammer, and I'm not the only one.

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Well I can assure you both that I'm not targeting anyone. I appreciate all the contributions made in the thread thus far.

Greg - if you wouldn't mind sharing, I'm actually curious to know how your results have been with outbounding ngTLDs, since I know you have some nice ones in your portfolio (I watched the interview you did a while back... with @Josh R, was it?).

Have recipients been responsive, and/or asked for more details relating to new extensions?

^ thanks, but I'm pretty hot about alot of the BS in this thread, and I'm done posting in it.

Perhaps in the future when this topic comes up again.

frank-germany said:

no idea why you guys think that I have sent the emails all at once to many recipients
I never said so

I had sent every email individually

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Frank, you put a screenshot on page 5 of this thread that shows you sent 397 emails on the same date and with the same subject line for the same domain that you blanked out as:

(A--------------m.com)

Am I reading that screenshot wrong?

If you are using a script does that make it right?

oldtimer said:

Frank, you put a screenshot on page 5 of this thread that shows you sent 397 emails on the same date and with the same subject line for the same domain that you blanked out as:

(A--------------m.com)

Am I reading that screenshot wrong?

If you are using a script does that make it right?

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this is the last time I speak to you @oldtimer


the reason I do so is
as you try to ruin my reputation

the screenshot you mentioned shows 20 or 25 emails sent.
not 400
and those 25 emails are send on the same day
you know nothing about the time frame of the others

over the whole time frame that was needed to sell the domain
a total of short to 400 emails was send
some of them to answer questions
some of them were related to escrow
and domain transfer

@Rob Monster , any suggestions? I'd love to see your out bound email pitch.

I feel that this thread has turned into a trap

people who want to help other domainers
are brand marked a spammers
after giving advise in outbound emails

some of you think of outbound=spam

so if that's true the whole thread is a honeypot

I feel no intention to ever post details
about what worked for me
at namepros


lately, some members here are starting to destroy the forum

slowly
slowly

so you nearly can't react


and its all about free speech of course

Winfluence said:

@Rob Monster , any suggestions?

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yes thats the right guy to get into this thread
great

I am in your system now.
Hack . computer
make offer to take over.

Secret . exposed
I found you

Adult , photos
Your mom

Sounds like a winner lol. Not sent just jokes based on thread.

Honestly I do like to hear about outbound I often get silly ones. I mental note not to make same mistakes. eg: The bin price drops every week I wait as know expiry date also.

These related threads might be useful (if not mentioned yet):
https://www.namepros.com/threads/end-user-email-samples-and-email-templates.853589/
https://www.namepros.com/threads/an-ideal-outbound-email.1171808/

Spammers and scammers are the ones that are trying to ruin this thread and perhaps even NamePros itself by making honest domainers who want to do the right thing look bad, but don't worry because the day of the spammers and scammers are going to be over soon, not only here on this forum, but in the domain Industry at large.

oldtimer said:

..don't worry because the day of the spammers and scammers are going to be over soon, not only here on this forum, but in the domain Industry at large.

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How? Do you mean be worried if you are a s(p/c)ammer.
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If two people promote their domains in exactly the same way, one of them might be a spammer, and the other one may not be; depending on quality of those domains, and how well they match to recipients' businesses. You can make a dating analogy,..if gf/bf offers marriage it is considered natural, while if a random person does it, anything can happen.

topdom said:

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How? Do you mean be worried if you are a s(p/c)ammer.
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If two people promote their domains in exactly the same way, one of them might be a spammer, and the other one may not be; depending on quality of those domains, and how well they match to recipients' businesses.

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Some of us here are trying to reduce the chances of the emails being considered as spam by suggesting that any outbound should be targeted, respectful, perhaps educational to some degree and only be done for quality domains that have the potential of adding some value to the prospective companies that we are trying to reach out to, and then we have others here who are doing mass emails and want to encourage others to spam as many companies as their scripts can handle because they only care about making a sale irregardless of how it's going to make domainers and domaining look like in the eyes of the public. And then these same spammers and scammers ridicule the honest domainers for not being as successful in domain sales.

I know for sure that there is going to be a shake up in the domain Industry because Spammers, Scammers, and Money Launderers can not be allowed to win over the good guys through bullying and intimidation.

Till then I am signing off out of threads like this.

IMO

People who we call spammers might be doing a good thing for the rest of us as well: contributing to domain awareness.
You can say: flouride in toothpaste is not toxic, and people would start wondering, can it possibly be toxic, and do their own research, while normally they wouldn't even suspect this can be the case.