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Fast Transfer does not mean Fast Transfer at Afternic

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I sold a name on Afternic on 12/1 and I just received a notice today that payment is scheduled for 12/12. The buyer paid immediately when he purchased the name. I received confirmation of that.
I sent emails asking for a payment date and it takes days for them to answer and the dates are always different.
I spoke to a rep on the phone this morning who was just rude.

I finally received an explanation today:
"I apologize for your troubles and the frustration this has caused. Fast transfer sales are an option for customers to have a hand's off experience in the transfer process of the domain however these sales do not mean that you will receive a faster payment."

Why is it called Fast Transfer? Seems blatantly misleading.
Notice that the explanation says nothing about the process being fast, in fact, it says you will not see a faster payment. The name should be changed, its lying.

I can use Escrow.com and get a deal done in 2 days - why so long Afternic? Why would I wait 2 weeks for a hands off approach? I can transfer a name within seconds.
 
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In 2018 I did SedoMLS sale by the buyer's mistake...
Instead to proceed it directly via Sedo - he checked it at Dynadot and paid there...
Whole process was automatic, I didn't any moves...
Total duration from start to finish (money in my bank) ~1 week.

Apples VS apples?
Or not???
 
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I have to chime in that maybe I'm lucky, but I get paid through Afternic very quickly. Almost like clockwork. The pattern I see is that perhaps they give the buyer an inspection period or something because I get paid in 72 hours pretty much every time.

Now, on non-fast transfer transactions it can take longer. I sold a name a couple of weeks ago through an Afternic broker and ultimately I ended up waiting for the buyer to create an account at Dynadot (the name could only be pushed). The cool thing I learned on that one was that Afternic has holding accounts with most registrars for pushes. It worked out great.

Anyway, I truly think payment is reliable. I would always give 3 days after transfer confirmation.
I was never paid faster than 11 days and from what people are talking, this looks like a good average. In your case, it could be that they are using an algorithm based on ip location, frequency of sales, registrar(godaddy), but it will not be fare to discriminating based on location, but it's the only logic answer.
 
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I was never paid faster than 11 days and from what people are talking, this looks like a good average. In your case, it could be that they are using an algorithm based on ip location, frequency of sales, registrar(godaddy), but it will not be fare to discriminating based on location, but it's the only logic answer.
Because I do my domain investing alone, I never really think of what other people might be experiencing. Nice to have threads like these to keep up on what others are experiencing.
 
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If I'm not happy with a service, I don't use their service.

Cheers
Corey
 
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Because I do my domain investing alone, I never really think of what other people might be experiencing. Nice to have threads like these to keep up on what others are experiencing.
I'm doing it alone as well, but I'm always comparing what I'm doing with what others are doing, to see what I need to change and what not. Also, I'm doing it from an 'accountant' point of view as well, when I'm buying a domain or a bunch of domains, I know the average acquisition price, I know the minim amount I need to have a good ROI, I know how many(on average) are liquid,(wholesale) I'm counting the profit and looses on each tld, on each niche and on some known keywords, average payment time and so on...so I always compare everything with others, to make sure that I'm in the right position.
 
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If I'm not happy with a service, I don't use their service.

Cheers
Corey
Yes, eventually, the same as I've done with escrow, godaddy, flippa, namerific and a few others. But if you are happy with part of the service, you can try and help them change but if there is no hope, this is it., you will reach the 'eventually' time.
 
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And now you can see why some of us support dan or epik, and you don't understand why. My average payment with dan is around 17 hours, until the payment hit my account, my average payment time with afternic is 13 days(until the payment hit my paypal, than loose some through currency convertion and another day to hit my account), I don't even talk about godaddy(and looks like dynadot as well). I know, they have lots of buyers, but believe it or not, in my case, using my landing page at dan, brings more customers through whois than the afternic premium network(including godaddy), talking about exactly the same domains listed on both sides. So, dan, epik, escrow can do instant payment check, afternic needs one week(sometimes two), godaddy needs weeks and so on. How is that possible?

Agree, dan is absolutely the best platform at the moment, user friendly for both, buyers and sellers, fast payments as well....
 
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Agree, dan is absolutely the best platform at the moment, user friendly for both, buyers and sellers, fast payments as well....
It is, epik looks good as well for the future. Danis good, but is not perfect, it could use some features, like advertising to bring more customers, it's own registrar, instant chat, a network of registrars, to sell your domains and a few others, but at this time is less imperfect than the others.
 
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It is, epik looks good as well for the future. Danis good, but is not perfect, it could use some features, like advertising to bring more customers, it's own registrar, instant chat, a network of registrars, to sell your domains and a few others, but at this time is less imperfect than the others.

There is no bugs at dan and the customer support is perfect... same like siteground for hosting ( this is my 2 favourite companies at the moment ).

If no bugs I’m using them... few months ago I removed all my names from afternic... sedo is next

It’s 21st century need to be easy and simple and fast
 
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Afternic shouldn't be taking domains out of people's accounts without immediately making payment to the seller. ( not just starting the B/S process)
Plain and simple.
If they don't trust the buyer (hence holding the funds forever, even close to 2 weeks)
Don't transfer the domain.
Room is wide open for a 3rd broker/player aside SEDO and Afternic.

And godaddy totally needs to take-over Afternic and change their stone-age culture... (culture clash)

eg:
Sold domain taken out of my godaddy account and transferred to buyer on Sat, Dec 7.
Today Dec 12: Payment: Not Scheduled
What gives?
 
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My average payment with dan is around 17 hours, until the payment hit my account, my average payment time with afternic is 13 days(until the payment hit my paypal, than loose some through currency convertion and another day to hit my account),

If you have a virtual bank account in USD they can send to that at no cost and you can convert the currency yourself at much better rates. That will save 2.5% or more on Paypal conversion.

Enabling fast transfer is risky - there is no way to get the domain back if something went wrong, for example someone hacking your Afternic account and lowering prices - there is no 2FA at Afternic despite years of requests for that.

And do we know how fast the client really does get the name?

No one has calculated how much interest you can earn if you hold onto all payments for an average of two weeks before passing them on to the seller.
 
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Fast Transfer means Fast Transfer not Fast Payment. Although it is typically faster payment with that then the slow transfer.

I can give you the complete history here for everyone since I was closely involved with the project about 5 years ago where we came up with that name. The problem we encountered was that there is no standard industry term for these types of sales. Many people (us included then) used the term premium to denote a fast transfer domain. But Premium means a lot of things depending on who you are and who is selling it. Many other companies adopted that term to be used for domains but that made it even more complex. So it could be a Premium Listing with GoDaddy, not related to anything Afternic, or a Premium domain from the registry reserve inventory, or a Premium name meaning a higher tier new GTLD or a myriad of other uses.

This was leading to a lot of confusion for customers and for our front line support and confused buyers. Hi I bought or I sold this Premium domain and I want to know the status, what should I expect. Well... not sure there's a dozen or so types of premium domains which one are you talking about?

To keep it brief I will now move on to the Fast Transfer vs. Slow Transfer terms use. A Slow Transfer denotes what people typically think of as a transfer, unlocking the domain, corresponding with the new owner, giving them the auth code, etc.

Using Fast Transfer as a term vs. Premium is more helpful because it's less easy to use in multiple ways, e.g. a registry reserve name or higher priced tier premium name is not going to transfer to you so Fast Transfer doesn't work for that. What Fast transfer means on the Afternic side is that you opt in with your registrar in advance so that when the domain sells it moves automatically without any further action on your end, (in most cases). It specifically means it is part of the Afternic Premium Network vs the Standard Network, https://www.afternic.com/sell-domains. The big benefit of having a name as Fast Transfer is that it is in the Afternic Premium Network which is an expanded network of over 100 reseller sites (registrars, etc) vs 32 sites on the Standard Network. More eyeballs = more sales. Also end user buyers have less to do on Fast Transfer, the name comes into their account with in most cases no additional work compared to a new registration which is what they are most familiar with, the name just shows up in their account. The less friction we have in the process the higher the sell through rate for your domains. These are the big advantages of Fast Transfer and why we chose to call it Fast Transfer vs. Premium or making up a new term. We never mention anything about payment.

We are looking at ways to speed up payment, but we need to balance that with the needs of partners, fraud concerns, and also with keeping less friction in the process. The more friction the less sales commence. So we could use a third party to help mitigate fraud or help with the processes of the partner site the domain is sold on, but that introduces more friction which causes more sales to stall or not take place. The end result is a mix, some sales are paid faster, some slower, and some never complete as people drop off at various points of friction, the more hoops to jump through the more chance someone will give up. We haven't gotten 100% there but we have consistently over the years reduced the friction and added more partners to help improve the sell through rate for our customer's domains.

We do pay faster on GoDaddy Auction sales, many times the day after the domain moves to the buyer. We could technically do this on Afternic, but I personally have pushed back on it until we continue to refine the auctions process and get a very good balance on customer experience, speed to payment, and fraud mitigation. We are getting there and we have been making progress towards paying faster on Afternic. There are also some accounting and regulatory things we need to work within the constraints of when making payment changes.

We do not want to hold the money any longer than we have to, but there are many things that come into play. Some partners take longer to clear the funds for fraud than others, sometimes the fast transfer breaks, and sometimes we are concerned with fraud. It is relatively easy to get a domain back when there is fraud, but it is not as easy to get your money back once it is paid out. So we pay you for a sale and three days later find out the guy who bought it hacked an account somewhere be it email or whatever logged into an third party account and bought your domain using a credit card on file and then the real card holder calls his bank and they reverse the charge. We are out that money. It is a big benefit to using a marketplace like us, in that we take on the risk for the sales, but it also comes at a cost in some added time for payment.

We also continue to work on speeding up payments across the board. For example when I started in auctions a decade ago it was a 20 day payout window on any sale. That continues to improve over time to in many cases the next day now. Afternic was the same, we have redone the back end way transactions work in an effort to pay faster, we also just hired another person in that department that deals specifically with payment transactions to help make sure we are able to handle any manual things faster as they come up.

Sorry for the long explanation but it seemed that many people were confused. Which is kind of why we decided to use new terms vs Premium :) to differentiate what exactly we mean when we say Fast Transfer.

Also please PM me the domain you sold. I am sorry to hear about your job so close to the holidays especially. If there is anything I can do to speed up your payment I will certainly try.

What about a payment that was made with bank transfer? because credit cards are limited to $2,500.
 
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Another afternic fast transfer sale, 10 hours ago, the buyer is using the domain already( I have enabled catch all emails before the sale and they use the email to receive quotes and stuff). So, the transfer was instant, the buyer is using the domain only a few hours after the sale and afternic is still 'checking' the funds for at least 7 days. What's the purpose of checking the funds, when the domain is used already by the new owner...don't handle the domain, if you are not sure about the funds.
 
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GD Afternic has the slowest payout of any other service you can use. Its laughable that a person can see a domain in minutes but the seller has to wait 2 weeks to get paid. Its 2020 and its embarrassing that a giant like GD doesn’t invest more in staying in line with how payments are done all over the world— instantly. One of many reasons, I don’t take my names there.
 
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