Domain Landers OR Own Landers For 2020??

TCK said:

What's not true? This...

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Specifically this part is not true:

Rob Monster said:

- The SSL landers are getting organic traffic. This trend should continue to improve. They are getting a network of unique IPs from this week, spreading the footprint. Unique DNS is also coming.

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Even if these landers are getting organic traffic it is not from the "Main Keyword" SEO it is probably from anything else not related at all and probably from bots.

Ostrados said:

What Robs appears to claim "if I understood correctly" is not true; your lander cannot rank for a popular keyword and thus your lander will not get organic traffic.

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Correct.

Ostrados said:

Specifically this part is not true:



Even if these landers are getting organic traffic it is not from the "Main Keyword" SEO it is probably from anything else not related at all and probably from bots.

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(don't underestimate the bots)

SEO means to people reading this
you get traffic for your main keyword
after switching to e.* landers

that's sheer BS

and indeed misleading

( unless you target a keyword nobody
I mean
really Nobody else
is targetting )


and even IF that would happen

please show me
how that can improve sales


as the one searching are not the one
buying your domain in the first place

biggie said:

Landers don't earn any advertising revenue, so how are they better that PPC?

please, don't mislead or mistake or confuse, the difference between them.

imo...

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PPC is the advertising money spend on keywords or demographics
when you spend money you "pay" "per click"
means for every visitor on your page you pay for example
Google a few cents or more
but on what keywords?
or which targeted visitor group?

so you pay for traffic

now the epic lander comes into play
and you get SEO results

no need to spend advertising dollars no more

for whom?

which keywords do you target to sell your domain?
which demographics to you target to sell your domain?

now here comes SEO
for which keywords
from what country
do the visitors find your domain?


ask more questions guys

a lander won't sell the domains
based on SEO

maybe it happens accidentally
but never repetitively


and if so
please make a new thread
and let us see
exactly how it worked

Nattydomain said:

So basically with the new year approaching I want to get back into my names. I been doing other things and letting a lot of domains expire and such but want to rope it back in.

Right now about 85% of my own domains are with Godaddy BIN landers. Now they show my domain at my BIN but they list tons more in other extensions and variables that I think detours the user from my domain to another one. I seen a lot of post with domains sold with Dan lander as well. I used to do some others but due to fees and no sales canceled.

So back into the decision making time again and what would be best or that you THINK is best AND trustworthy to the buyer. Godaddy (if they got better or different landers), Afternic Landers, Dan Landers or somehow doing my very own so everything goes to me?

What say you!

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I personally would go for Dan.com these days - I have them for most of my domain names

Maybe Epik provides backlinks from trustable sources to your domain, but then can't admit it publicly if this is the case.
Onsite Seo can make a difference when there is not much competition.
Or maybe there is no seo advantage, but the landing page make visitors think, the owner of this domain made a lot of effort to prepare this page, so this domain must be worth it.
Some of my domains at Sedo receive over 100 visits per day, but doesn't get any inquiries. If they were at Epik woud things get better, not sure, but I won't know much about visits then.
If you can add content you can improve onsite Seo, target some keywords etc.

So help me understand this. The Epik landers are essentially like single page websites at that domain name. They don't in that sense operate like landers in general. Is it not possible that they could get organic traffic (or maybe I misunderstand what that even means) like any other site? Like depending on the way you optimize it and the content that you add? I don't have any prime single word to demonstrate it, but for example if I search on (no quotes)
(obviously not a very general term ) my Epik lander comes up number 1 on Google, at least here in Canada (does not just blue fog, which is a science thing and has tons of competition).
Thanks for any clarification to this non search-savvy senior!
Bob

Edit: While writing this I just saw what @topdom posted re links. I should point out that I do have a link from the catalog at my own domain site to the domain at Epik, so there is at least one link in, well two from different pages but all from my one site. My domain site has been operational 2+ years and is about 350k on Alexa, but not in Majestic 1M.

Edit2: I just found also that if I search on the following a different of my domains comes up first on Google.
bloxers domain name

topdom said:

Maybe Epik provides backlinks from trustable sources to your domain, but then can't admit it publicly if this is the case.
Onsite Seo can make a difference when there is not much competition.
Or maybe there is no seo advantage, but the landing page make visitors think, the owner of this domain made a lot of effort to prepare this page, so this domain must be worth it.
Some of my domains at Sedo receive over 100 visits per day, but doesn't get any inquiries. If they were at Epik woud things get better, not sure, but I won't know much about visits then.
If you can add content you can improve onsite Seo, target some keywords etc.

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Look for a move soon that will add free SEO scorecarding tools for any domain using the Epik SSL landers.

We are also looking at integrated solutions for measure SEO keyword rank and adding sponsored content, so you get paid for displaying content that improves rank. Double-dip.

AI is going to play a very large role in what happens with the next phase of domains:

- What domain to buy/keep
- What content to feature to whom and when on what device
- What price to charge to whom
- Whom to follow up with when and how

The landers we have are smart, e.g. right currency, right language and loading fast on web and mobile with proper rendering. However, this is baby steps compared to what is coming!

I am convinced that a new golden age for domaining is open us. The scope for value-creation on the Internet is already massive and that is before making another billion new netizens productive.

I share this openly because there is plenty of upside for everyone. There is no need to have a scarcity mindset if you leverage the vast array of tools that are available to you for little or nothing.

To those who want to co-create with us, I say: let's go!

To those who want to compete with us, I say: good luck!

To those want to mock us, I say: good day!

Keep making lemons into lemonade while you find your calling.

Good times ahead, folks.

Bob Hawkes said:

blue fog domain

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Bob Hawkes said:

bloxers domain name

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Who will search for "Blue fog domain" and "bloxers domain name"?
What is the monthly search volume for these keywords? It is certainly 0

Your landing page will never get ranked for the main keyword, try to search for "blue fog" or "bluefog" where is your domain lander ranked now? can you find it in first 20 pages in Google?

And even if it was ranked high how that will benefit you and how that will increase sales?

Rob Monster said:

Look for a move soon that will add free SEO scorecarding tools for any domain using the Epik SSL landers.

We are also looking at integrated solutions for measure SEO keyword rank and adding sponsored content, so you get paid for displaying content that improves rank. Double-dip.

AI is going to play a very large role in what happens with the next phase of domains:

- What domain to buy/keep
- What content to feature to whom and when on what device
- What price to charge to whom
- Whom to follow up with when and how

The landers we have are smart, e.g. right currency, right language and loading fast on web and mobile with proper rendering. However, this is baby steps compared to what is coming!

I am convinced that a new golden age for domaining is open us. The scope for value-creation on the Internet is already massive and that is before making another billion new netizens productive.

I share this openly because there is plenty of upside for everyone. There is no need to have a scarcity mindset if you leverage the vast array of tools that are available to you for little or nothing.

To those who want to co-create with us, I say: let's go!

To those who want to compete with us, I say: good luck!

To those want to mock us, I say: good day!

Keep shooting the moon and making lemons into lemonade while you find your calling.

Good times ahead, folks.

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Rob please repsect our intellegent, you can promote your landing page (which I like very much) based on many other features other than SEO! You can talk about integrated SSL, payment options, leads,..etc. But SEO is not one of the features that are relevant to domain landing pages.

And BTW sponsored content (ADs) does not improve SEO ranking, that is equivalent to saying that a blog can get ranked higher for showing google Adwords content.

thanks

Nattydomain said:

So basically with the new year approaching I want to get back into my names. I been doing other things and letting a lot of domains expire and such but want to rope it back in.

Right now about 85% of my own domains are with Godaddy BIN landers. Now they show my domain at my BIN but they list tons more in other extensions and variables that I think detours the user from my domain to another one. I seen a lot of post with domains sold with Dan lander as well. I used to do some others but due to fees and no sales canceled.

So back into the decision making time again and what would be best or that you THINK is best AND trustworthy to the buyer. Godaddy (if they got better or different landers), Afternic Landers, Dan Landers or somehow doing my very own so everything goes to me?

What say you!

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I plan to stick to DAN.com. Those are working well for me and looking forward to their revamped pages in the new year as they have announced.

I am currently using dan, but I insist that if you have a lot of liquid or strong strong name, you should use it separately to build your own SSL lander for your liquid domain.

topdom said:

Does it work? Sedo and Afternic do better than usual nowadays, so I'm not sure how switching to Epik would affect everything. Recently at Epik landing pages I get job inquiries. Visitors think there is a real site there. I must sell some domains at Epik to save time. I plan to add a nice background image. (paypal screwed everything, don't keep too much money in your paypal, otherwise they will enjoy stealing it, and show middlefinger).

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That while I screw off Paypal as a payment option on my own expired domains list sale domain website getdomaindata.com . Its either direct card payment or crypto or you go elsewhere. Can't labour hard to get client pay for domain and one for the platform to help collect money on my behave with charges and yet turn themself to lord over my hard-earned money

For the lander, am building my own brand in expired domain niche. So, prefer 99% to be on my custom lander and that's where have been selling my domains from.
Just look for what works for you
Note: I have web design, digital marketing and SEO skill (about 7years+) which gives me an added advantage to use my own lander and still make sales. If you don't have any of those skills and not ready to acquire it as a domainer you had better use 3rd party landers to make sales.

Nattydomain said:

What say you!

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I tried to point 100 domain's name servers to Dan for one month. I had "lot" of traffic. After one month I redirected all the domain's name servers back to my own "marketplace" and the traffic at Dan went to 5-10 visitors per month (per 100 domains) ever since. It was disappointment, if I don't brink my own traffic to Dan, my domains are just lost in the ocean. So I count on my own marketplace / landing pages.

eurorealtor said:

I tried to point 100 domain's name servers to Dan for one month. I had "lot" of traffic. After one month I redirected all the domain's name servers back to my own "marketplace" and the traffic at Dan went to 5-10 visitors per month (per 100 domains) ever since. It was disappointment, if I don't brink my own traffic to Dan, my domains are just lost in the ocean. So I count on my own marketplace / landing pages.

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good and bold moves

topdom said:

Maybe Epik provides backlinks from trustable sources to your domain, but then can't admit it publicly if this is the case...

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oh yeah,
maybe they even buy targeted visitors
to make you sell

they have a lot of secret tools in place, you know...

but of course, they can not prove any of it
as it's top-secret

and they wouldn't anyway
as they simply don't talk much about their secret stuff

topdom said:

Onsite Seo can make a difference when there is not much competition.
Or maybe there is no seo advantage,...

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yes
that may be so

I've thought about it myself lately

why would people spend 10.000 's dollars
for SEO or more
when you just need an epik sales lander?

topdom said:

but the landing page make visitors think, the owner of this domain made a lot of effort to prepare this page, so this domain must be worth it...

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true
but true for dan / sedo / efty / afternic, too

and actually
it doesn't look that preciously to me

more like a template at templatemonster
( sorry just a joke .. )

topdom said:

Some of my domains at Sedo receive over 100 viits per day, but doesn't get any inquiries.

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traffic has no or at least little correlation with sales

topdom said:

If they were at Epik woud things get better, not sure, but I won't know much about visits then..

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that's my main issue with sedo versus dan
same for afternic

you know nothing about your visitors
dan is the only place where I can add g.analytics

topdom said:

If you can add content you can improve onsite Seo, target some keywords etc.

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as we already discussed
that most likely won't do much for you
other then you have a lot of extra work



@epik please proof how on page SEO can enhance sales
please supply data

otherwise, your Landing Page sales pitch is misleading information
and nothing more than a sales pitch


@epik if your Sales Lander would be such a valuable tool for all of the domainers
why don't you open it to all of us

why do you need to transfer your names to epik first?

@Mod Team Bravo
@Mod Team Alfa
@Mod Team Echo
@Mod Team Foxtrot

all of epik post about the sales lander are promotional posts
as in order to use them, first you need to transfer your names to epik as a registrar

Rob Monster said:

AI is going to play a very large role in what happens with the next phase of domains:

- What domain to buy/keep
- What content to feature to whom and when on what device
- What price to charge to whom
- Whom to follow up with when and how

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AI sounds great
promotes epik as a great at future-oriented company

wow

AI by definition is software that writes software and is able to improve itself on it.

so how is that needed when you just need a simple script
and database queries?

Rob Monster said:

The landers we have are smart, e.g. right currency, right language and loading fast on web and mobile with proper rendering.

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they are as dump as any any other php code

they just act on certain rules


if x
then y

same does
efty
sedo
and DAN

Rob Monster said:

... if you leverage the vast array of tools that are available to you for little or nothing...

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available for anybody
not just when you use epik

frank-germany said:

dan is the only place where I can add g.analytics

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I don't think that is right. Can't you still do it at Efty?
Also at Epik landers you have Google analytics integration, you just have to paste the code, as opposed to just your analytics ID, into each lander, unless there is an automated way I don't know.
Bob

Bob Hawkes said:

I don't think that is right. Can't you still do it at Efty?
Also at Epik landers you have Google analytics integration, you just have to paste the code, as opposed to just your analytics ID, into each lander, unless there is an automated way I don't know.
Bob

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efty is a paid service
I was talking about free ( commission based ) services
other than epik

eurorealtor said:

I tried to point 100 domain's name servers to Dan for one month. I had "lot" of traffic. After one month I redirected all the domain's name servers back to my own "marketplace" and the traffic at Dan went to 5-10 visitors per month (per 100 domains) ever since. It was disappointment, if I don't brink my own traffic to Dan, my domains are just lost in the ocean. So I count on my own marketplace / landing pages.

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Thanks for information and I agree that it seems most meaningful traffic comes the domain being pointed as opposed to search. I was wondering how long ago your experiment was since I think in the months after the DAN rebranding there is more marketplace search action at DAN than there was previously.
Thanks
Bob

Bob Hawkes said:

I was wondering how long ago your experiment was since I think in the months after the DAN rebranding there is more marketplace search action at DAN than there was previously.
Thanks
Bob

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Bob, it was just most recently, after they rebranded to Dan (past 2-3 months). For my domains Dan is more like transaction provider "bring your own customer and we'll check you out"

eurorealtor said:

For my domains Dan is more like transaction provider "bring your own customer and we'll check you out"

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Hi

yeah, basically, they all are just "transaction providers".
some offer more or less additional services and some charge more or less and some get more or less visitors, than some others.

they save us the cost and time, to validate and process payments.
and in return, we agree to the commission they charge for that service.

imo...