opinion Making a conscious effort re- New tlds

BaileyUK · Aug 14, 2019

I know this has been commented on before but I felt it appropriate to add my two pennies worth. I've not been a supporter of the Ngtlds and made my feelings known here on NP's in the past. I accept I'm long in the tooth regarding the old Gtlds so my opinions could be very biased - so I've taken a Conscious effort over the last couple of weeks to find a real and positive reason to take another look.

First I revisited my own existing domain list and found a number of them actually existed (second word) in the hundreds of of ntlds. No surprises really because they are all the most popular words. Then I checked for availability and cost. WOW, the domains actually really looked good In this shortened version, Some (if not most actually 'Looked' far better and availability and cost seemed OK.

Then I stepped into the real world - and made a real effort to identify any business in my locality that were actually using the Ngtlds. Three weeks of effort (going about my normal business) and I've identified TWO. Not promising at the moment I thought. But what struck me the most was is how I would have never been to identify them as 'Web addresses' with-out making that effort.

So, Two normal words separated by that small dot just look like any other two words on the side of a van or on a billboard, The DOT actually creates that space that for all intense and purpose just looks like a normal space and therefore bears absolutely No resemblance (or can be identified) as relating to a web address. It's almost impossible to distinguish the text from a normal word-string in the wording of the advertised text.

What's the solution. I don't think there is one. People can talk about 'Public awareness' before the ngtlds take-off but that doesn't make them any clearer or easier to identify as domains. Perhaps make the 'Dot' the size of the normal text ? but now it just looks stupid, worse than even inclusion of a hyphen in a domain.

Nope, The trouble with looking at a computer-screen and being knowledgeable about domains is making all these new domains look OK and indeed viable, purely because at that close a range, that little dot stands out sufficiently.

So in conclusion, even with trying to approach things with a positive attitude, I've realized the Ngtlds have no-life except on a computer screen. And yep I'm back with my original opinion.

Maybe bring back the WWW, Now you've lost the whole NEW part of these domains as a contact point and the dot is still with all intense not there.

The real trouble with ngtlds, seems to be is that we are almost (as humans) programmed to READ text but only subconsciously acknowledge punctuation

lock · Nov 11, 2019

I originally promoted new extensions decades ago with new.net and promoted downloads for Netscape and meta streaming for it all to work in browsers It collapsed and lost domains myself and again bought into it when registerfly had it I felt stung losing domains again. The difference now is ICANN and not just a browser it is here to stay as long as each extension can cover registrations. I was late to get back on board after my personal efforts over years to try make it in domain business and missed out probably the best knowing that dom com has been the successor. So we are in the business of speculation and even with best foresight you can still make poor decisions. I could have been right too early well may as well try get best of them. So I have flipped a few times over it but haven't flipped a gtld yet but I have ignored offers to start negotiations on domains I am happy to be stuck with.

Brands.International · Nov 12, 2019

BaileyUK said:
I know this has been commented on before but I felt it appropriate to add my two pennies worth. I've not been a supporter of the Ngtlds and made my feelings known here on NP's in the past. I accept I'm long in the tooth regarding the old Gtlds so my opinions could be very biased - so I've taken a Conscious effort over the last couple of weeks to find a real and positive reason to take another look.

First I revisited my own existing domain list and found a number of them actually existed (second word) in the hundreds of of ntlds. No surprises really because they are all the most popular words. Then I checked for availability and cost. WOW, the domains actually really looked good In this shortened version, Some (if not most actually 'Looked' far better and availability and cost seemed OK.

Then I stepped into the real world - and made a real effort to identify any business in my locality that were actually using the Ngtlds. Three weeks of effort (going about my normal business) and I've identified TWO. Not promising at the moment I thought. But what struck me the most was is how I would have never been to identify them as 'Web addresses' with-out making that effort.

So, Two normal words separated by that small dot just look like any other two words on the side of a van or on a billboard, The DOT actually creates that space that for all intense and purpose just looks like a normal space and therefore bears absolutely No resemblance (or can be identified) as relating to a web address. It's almost impossible to distinguish the text from a normal word-string in the wording of the advertised text.

What's the solution. I don't think there is one. People can talk about 'Public awareness' before the ngtlds take-off but that doesn't make them any clearer or easier to identify as domains. Perhaps make the 'Dot' the size of the normal text ? but now it just looks stupid, worse than even inclusion of a hyphen in a domain.

Nope, The trouble with looking at a computer-screen and being knowledgeable about domains is making all these new domains look OK and indeed viable, purely because at that close a range, that little dot stands out sufficiently.

So in conclusion, even with trying to approach things with a positive attitude, I've realized the Ngtlds have no-life except on a computer screen. And yep I'm back with my original opinion.

Maybe bring back the WWW, Now you've lost the whole NEW part of these domains as a contact point and the dot is still with all intense not there.

The real trouble with ngtlds, seems to be is that we are almost (as humans) programmed to READ text but only subconsciously acknowledge punctuation

You know my opinion about new gTLDs (100% fan and investor), so I will spare this thread from my usual comments, and will only tell you one interesting thing which I personally realised only quite later in the game: automatic hyper-linking.

So, regarding the DOT and how new gTLDs are actually easily identified as domain names: try what is happening, at the moment of writing, at various social platforms (I will need to use my own domains here as an example, not to affect domains which belong to someone else, my apologies for that):

1. SMS - when you put there something like "I feel.energy", or even something like "i.feel.energy", it will create automatic website link to www.feel.energy. When you, or recepient of sms, click on it, it will get you to the website!

2. Youtube - what will happen when you comment on some video with comment like "wow, this is a huge.one!" or even "wow.this.is.huge.one"... it will again create automatic website link to www.huge.one!

3. Twitter - the same think, it always will create automatic website link

4. LinkedIn - afaik it was creating those links before, now this funcionality is not there ... maybe it will be there again in future, who knows.

5. Many other platforms (curiously enough, not Namepros, but I think is because that using promotional links to domain names is against rules, afaik)

Anyway, the point is this: if we type something like "dream.property", on any of those social platforms, maybe we will not see the dot (if the eyes are not good enough) - but we will definitely see a links which will be automatically created

Now, on social platforms, links/hastags can have enormous marketing impact if you know what you are doing....

@BaileyUK I appreciate you do a concious re-evaluation of your opinion reg. new gTLDs!

And as was said many times: it is all about semantic meaning. This is also what many people, new gTLD investors here at Namepros keep repeating, that combo is important, not a specific extension. The best combos can be then used on social platforms & have large organic traffic (one of the reasons might be (I am not 100% sure though) that many hyperlinks might created just by mistyping).

There are many more aspects on how new gTLDs are actually recognised as domain names in various context/platforms, but I will let others chime in, if they wanna share their actual experience from social plaforms I am not so familiar with yet...

BaileyUK · Nov 12, 2019

I appreciate you putting your arguments in a much more succinct fashion these days Brands International. We both have to see both sides of the coin. But, you are Still misrepresenting, so called advantages.

Automatic hyper-linking Rubbish Only if you Enter useless DOTS

Why ? would someone enter all the Dots (Between Words) that you are using as examples above

Example I feel /Dot/ Energy when typing in in any comment on social media. Surely someone types in just "I feel Energy" No Dots
OR Even more extreme example you have given Wow/Dot/this/dot/is/dot/a/dot/huge/dot/ One. instead of "Wow this is huge One" Again No Dots

You've totally lost me as to why you think (and who would) type in a DOT between words - Are we just looking for angles here to try and present a case for Ntlds that is at its best absurd.

Just as a add-on I noticed this podcast in a link this evening. It's not a critique of Ntlds but still relevant to Social media as a branding platform

https://tldinvestors.com/2019/11/why-social-media-cant-replace-domains.html

Anyway please do explain your logic for why you think someone would type in numerous dots between words of comment on social media platforms when none are required or indeed add to any sense or meaning in the comment. Are you also seeking to have the Dot (full-stop) replace the Space-Bar ?

My other Worry Is that other NP readers might not notice ALL those little dots almost hidden in your text and so called link advantage being misconstrued

Brands.International · Nov 12, 2019

BaileyUK said:
I appreciate you putting your arguments in a much more succinct fashion these days Brands International. We both have to see both sides of the coin.

However Why ? would someone enter all the Dots (Between Words) that you are using as examples above

Example I feel /Dot/ Energy when typing in in any comment on social media. Surely someone types in just "I feel Energy" No Dots
OR Even more extreme example you have given Wow/Dot/this/dot/is/dot/a/dot/huge/dot/ One. instead of "Wow this is huge One" Again No Dots

You've totally lost me as to why you think (and who would) type in a DOT between words - Are we just looking for angles here to try and present a case for Ntlds that is at its best absurd.

Just as a add-on I noticed this podcast in a link this evening. It's not a critique of Ntlds but still relevant to Social media as a branding platform

https://tldinvestors.com/2019/11/why-social-media-cant-replace-domains.html

Anyway please do explain your logic for why you think someone would type in numerous dots between words of comment on social media platforms when none are required or indeed add to any sense or meaning in the comment. Are you also seeking to have the Dot (full-stop) replace the Space-Bar ?

My other Worry Is that other NP readers might not notice ALL those little dots hidden in your text and so called link advantage being misconstrued

Well, I will try...It is not my logic or thinking there, this is what is actually going on social media at the moment of writing - so it is rather my observation I would say.

As of why automatic hyperlinks are atm created in case of new gTLDs on Twitter or in SMS we send from our mobiles - I do not know really. I hope someone will chim in and explain it to us

I personally welcome it as it is of course a huge bonus for new gTLDs, but I do not know myself yet why this is a case.

For your question as of why someone would put DOT between the words, instead of space on social media platformes - I suspect it can be used in a similar manner as # (hashtag) in future marketing campaigns (maybe it's already in use, not sure). The same reason as why now people are putting # in front of semantic strings on those platforms - they are simply tagging their posts and by so they are organizing them into larger logical groups.

Can/will DOT in between a text strings - where last string is a new gTLD extension - be used in a similar manner as # hashtags? I suspect so and I can easily imagine so, as I find it really very interesting that automatic hyperlinks are created when using new gTLDs, on so many social media platforms already.

PS: I might be wrong, but I think the link you provided has not much to do with the subject we discuss here: tl/dr is: it is primarily about that domain names are better, then just having your channel or account at particular social media platform (as it can be closed in some cases, while domain name is not so vulnerable, because you yourself own it).

Thanks for calling me more succinct (I had to google it, it is a nice word, I feel my english is slowly improving by discussing on this forum)

BaileyUK · Nov 13, 2019

Yes Indeed I pointed out that it was just a Social Media thing and NOT a critique of NTLDs Podcast

Brands.International said:
I personally welcome it as it is of course a huge bonus for new gTLDs,

That is an absurd statement and hopefully I've already put that one to bed in my post above - But unlike yourself I won't keep repeating.

Let NP members read your Post and my follow-up reply to see who is on-message .

Brands.International · Nov 13, 2019

BaileyUK said:
Yes Indeed I pointed out that it was just a Social Media thing and NOT a critique of NTLDs Podcast

That is an absurd statement and hopefully I've already put that one to bed in my post above - But unlike yourself I won't keep repeating.

Lets let NP members read your Post and my follow-up reply to see who is on-message .

Sure, let's do it

BaileyUK · Nov 13, 2019

Well they have this thread OR should that be

Well/dot/they/dot/have/dot/this/dot/thread To Comment (As in the NTLD World) for SMS link connections

I doubt many see it worthy of discussion When it's an open and shut case of misrepresentation at Best.

PS my original post was from 14th August - had only about 60 views and no replies until yesterday - Glad to see it's being read. Thanks lock for that first reply

BaileyUK · Nov 13, 2019

Brands.International said:
As of why automatic hyperlinks are atm created in case of new gTLDs on Twitter or in SMS we send from our mobiles - I do not know really. I hope someone will chim in and explain it to us

It's because your inserting unnecessary full-stops in the middle of you text message And You know that, Why play Dumb ?? And then accept nobody else will do the same. Hence NO advantage to talk about.

Rattyfish · Nov 17, 2019

I think there is a miscommunication going on here.

What I got from OP's post was that some tlds already hyperlink, and some do not, depending on the site/system. Those that do have an automatic advantage as far hyperlinks go, as well as backlinks and the obvious ease of use.

If you comment namepros.com it will generally link, if you type in namepros.news, it does not.

As an example, I feel I could get away with typing f1(dot)news into blogs and comments sections relatively organically and provide well placed 'ads' without pissing people off. But it won't create a hyperlink so just looks stupid. If it did hyperlink, and made sense grammatically, it would be great. That could be valuable.

ken.colvin · Jan 22, 2020

When I step into the real world and notice a business I'm interested in on a truck or a billboard, I remember the name, not the website. Especially when it's some convoluted .com domain because the real one was unavailable. When I get home or pull out my phone later on, its the business name along with my home town that I plug into the search engine. It pulls up the business that I'm looking for every time. I submit that having a new gTLD with the dot separating the keywords as the name of the business is Better and much more memorable than a mile long .com that I'll never remember.

HotKey · Dec 29, 2020

Well, disagree with his analysis, but miss Bailey all the same.

Yeh, not sure why dot-placement in New G's is such a difficult read for some.. I mean it's like ok you understand the point of separation between .com, .net, .org, .co.uk (two points of separation there!), .ca, .de etc etc, but not something as simple as Super.Computer as a web address ??

Come on.. look the argument may have flown a few years ago because of the "newness", but it's funny I'm still seeing the same argument trying to be used today by some- despite thousands upon thousands of developed sites on nGs and end users opting more and more to banner on them.

Also, there is nothing wrong to using www prefix if one thinks there may be visual/branding confusion at first, but more than likely it just is not needed- remember we can look at .com as the Internet's training wheels. Well we're all grown up now. Netizens are getting savvier by the week, and if we think people aren't gravitating towards new ways to ride the web especially being stuck at home, it would serve us well to stop being so long-toothed on nG's.

Jimmysun · Dec 29, 2020

I asked 10 random common friends if they know what the domain name is and 9 of them they said what? I said web address they said oh...ok, that made me realized majority people don't even know that domain names can be an investment, tons of people don't recognize domain name unless they decided to remember that site or brand, they usually just go to search engine and click links in first page or Apps.

Last month I received a call they asked me if I want to do online ADs with my website I said no thank you and then he said but I saw you have a web address under your name so what are you going to do with it? I said it's just an investment....he said WHAT...I didn't know domain investment is a thing...

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