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I'm writing this to let others know what they're letting themselves in for when it comes to GD expired auctions, and being up against the Huge Domains bot on GoDaddy, which is usually bidder id 913932.

For a while I thought the Huge Domains bot that runs rampant everyday worked against a predefined list of domains to go after. I assumed it had a set list every day and it would bid up to 9-12% of the GD valuation.

This assumption was wrong! As I discovered a while back.

The HD bot is actually working by piggybacking of the research and effort put in by us human investors and then simply placing bids based on that, using a typical 9-12% range of the GD valuation to do so.

I've known for a while now key ways to help me identify when it is the HD bot that I'm up against on a GD expired auction.

Today, I bid on two domains that had just 1 bid and less than 30 minutes remaining. I already knew due to it having 2 bidders the HD bot would love to come out and play!

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In my opinion this is not a fair playing field at all.

You as an investor most likely spend a fair amount of time researching domain names before you place a bid. All your time and effort is now being put at risk, or causing you to overspend on your inventory, simply because a bot with seemingly endless funds can watch what is going on at the auctions at all times, and piggyback of the effort you've put in on a day to day basis to browse the lists and research.

I advise you to really think before placing a bid on a domain that currently has no bids. I think if there is a domain you're really after, you actually have better luck of getting it for $11 or less at closeouts. If you wait for the auction to finish, and then keep checking very frequently until it appears again as a closeout.

Hypothetically speaking, with this knowledge at hand, I suppose it is possible for someone to lure the bot in on purpose and drive up prices to make it overpay on purpose. Hypothetically if this were to happen enough, this may make them reconsider what they're doing.

Again, purely hypothetical.

If you think a bot and a company that profits from the work of others is a fair playing field then in my opinion you are wrong. It is wrong.

These sort of bots need banning from any and all types of auction places.
 
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No i meant like If you bid and you broke the wall youre stuck with the bill lol.
 
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No i meant like If you bid and you broke the wall youre stuck with the bill lol.
Yes, you get stuck with the bid, they won’t be coming back, and that does happen a lot of the time.
 
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ive got some thoughts in a blog post back in August. If you reset your expectations to namejet and count the rise from 12 to 69 as just getting to namejet, many many many more names warrant a bid, dont walk bit what you would be happy to pay.

https://dn.biz/blog/2019/08/28/712/

plus dont forget, it was a gift that huge was a HUGE player in drops on the deletion cycle, and left pre-release auctions to the rest of us for so long..
 
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Bidder: It's not fair!
HD: Thanks for watching! Please be sure to check out all my domains @ hd com

Bidder: Where do unsold domains go?
HD: DropCatch is the premier destination

Salt & Pepper
 
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I've been "piggybacked" by the HD bot several times. It has cost me thousands of dollars over the course of my time as a domainer.

So fuck them. I will do my best to cost them every penny I can as well!
 
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I would say the best solution to the problem is not to place that first bid, and have a better chance to own the domain at the Closeouts.

Making the bot overpay would only cost us some decent names which we might have otherwise picked up for ourselves.

Losing to a fellow investor in the game of "Fastest Finger First" is much better than losing to the bot, unless one really really loves that name to not regret outbidding HD in order to win the domain.
 
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have a better chance to own the domain at the Closeouts.
If the domain is in hugedomains wishlist - then we would have zero chance to grab it as closeout. Indeed, one may refresh the page as often as humanly possible, If there are a few humans doing the same - somebody will be the first to add it to the cart. Of course, the only interested person would also be able to add it to the cart. All other "refreshers" will have an "add to cart error". The fact is that, if hugedomains wants this particular closeout - then ADD TO CART link will never appear. I've experienced this myself a lot of times. Even though GD publicly stated that all participants do have equal access, there must be something else we are not (yet) aware of. For example, hugedomains may be allowed to use 100-...1000 godaddy accounts (with an api access assigned to each account, and with consolidated billing to simplify everything) just to grab closeouts, and send a bunch of parallel "add to cart" API requests at the same time. Yeah, all accounts still have equal access, no doubts.

Of course, if the closeout domain is not in hugedomains wishlist (nor is it in any other bots wishlist) - then the "no bidding" scheme will work.
 
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I wonder if HG gets part of their lists from the daily DomainerBlog lists.
Also if I knew that the HG bot would bid between 9-12% of the GD valuation, then when I bid on a name, and saw it getting out of my budget, I could feel confident about bidding it up to around 8% of GD valuation without getting stuck.
Also (sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere) but do we have any idea how HG is doing as a business? I've been around long enough to have seen quite a few of the mighty fall.
I think it's important to not hate on GD too much, at least their names drop, and managers come and go.
The basic problem seems to be, How do you prevent greedy players from benefiting from the investment of YOUR time and effort?
When GD stopped showing us closing prices on domains in our watch list, that was a clear signal, to me anyway, that they no longer cared about transparency and an even playing field.
Does anyone have data about what a GD bot can do? Is the API info public, or do you have to be approved before you can see it?
 
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All monopoly's get overturned at one point or another.
Huge Domains has monopolized and they will be in line to find resistance just the same.
Ethics, in this case, are subjective and no judgment should be laid for any party who chooses to take part.
This is fair game, and if we all join in OP efforts we can make an impact.
I suggest all who became greedy to take caution.
Huge, you are first in line of fire. Get ready.
 
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Did you see their stock price was up almost 20% yesterday on earnings.

imho , Godaddy is being relentless in acquiring portfolios and throttling auctions to provide this increase for earnings, I have no doubt their liquidity of new registrations is on a decline along with hosting etc.. Their game of juggling will come to a peak in the near future. They are another monopoly in the line of fire.
 
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Why was this thread moved? I did not give a marketplace review.
 
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This clown of a bot keeps piggybacking, and eating crap domains into $1xx range, why oh why, Huge Names going to go broke buying all this garbage. Just tried another auction, and they stepped into it for almost $200, and now they own it, Congrats.

To be honest it makes me happy when I check the bid history, and do not see Huge Names on the bid, makes me feel like a fair process, but to be honest when I do see them as Bidder 2, and I usually catch that feeling it's them, I do feel their motives are not in line.
 
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We wouldn't want that now would we... :xf.wink:
Well here is the thing, we know the sell thru rates on such names are less than 1 percent per year, so why would they blow all their profits buying up these subpar names for hundreds each, when they have vacuum up any name they want on the drop, even subpar ones.

What is the angle here, it just doesn’t add up, why they went to pay so much for there names when they have what 6 million plus already.
 
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HD selling +/- 200 DN per day. Average $2k per DN
 
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