discuss What gTLD failed you? For example, you stocked up for nothing.

INFJ · Oct 18, 2019

What gTLD failed you? For example, you stocked up for nothing.

I'll start. I jumped on the .vip bandwagon when it first dropped. I remember picking up "lounge.vip" which was appraised for several thousand by several members. Of course, stupid me, I hung onto it....'til the end.....the very end....as in $5 end. FML.

Your turn!

bmugford · Oct 23, 2019

In the last year, according to NameBio.

.COM

90,500 sales
$120M total sales

All new gTLD combined -

949 sales
$3.6M total sales

In the last year, new gTLDs have about 1% of the .COM sales volume and 3% of the total sales, despite having 20%+ of the total registration volume.

Not too impressive.

Brad

Jurgen Wolf · Oct 23, 2019

I don't look for "impressions"...
If it makes money for me - I do it...
Very simple rule in my life.

bmugford · Oct 23, 2019

Jurgen Wolf said:
I don't look for "impressions"...
If it makes money for me - I do it...
Very simple rule in my life.

Cool. There is a difference between empirical evidence like statistics, and anecdotal evidence such as personal sales on a small scale.

I am profitable with .BIZ. Objectively though, the extension has not done that well.

Brad

Jurgen Wolf · Oct 23, 2019

I had significant profit only with bulk LLL.BIZ sales during Chinese boom...
And minimal results with .BIZ endusers.

Jurgen Wolf · Oct 23, 2019

I guess, at least 33% of .COMs are typo and type-in domains...
They are registered just for 1 purpose: to catch traffic...

bmugford · Oct 23, 2019

Jurgen Wolf said:
I guess, at least 33% of .COMs are typo and type-in domains...
They are registered just for 1 purpose: to catch traffic...

That is fine. That is your opinion, which again falls under anecdotal evidence.

I could say that 33% of all new extensions are owned by the registry themselves.
I have no idea if that is anywhere close to true.

The actual reported sales though are empirical evidence. They are what they are.

Brad

Brands.International · Oct 23, 2019

bmugford said:
In the last year, according to NameBio.

.COM

90,500 sales
$120M total sales

All new gTLD combined -

949 sales
$3.6M total sales

In the last year, new gTLDs have about 1% of the .COM sales volume and 3% of the total sales, despite having 20%+ of the total registration volume.

Not too impressive.

Brad

This is imo apples to oranges comparison.

Why? When someone registers new gTLD domain name with high premium renewal, this is NOT noted as sale in Namebio.

For example: if someone register a domain name with 30k/year renewal (there are some names like that registered afaik), it is actually at least 30k worth of new gTLD sale. If the name gets renewed after 1st year, it is 60k worth of new gTLD sale, etc, etc. Someone simply paid 60k for privilege to have great new gTLD name registered for period of 2 years.

There are thousands of new gTLD names with hign premium renewals registered at the moment - based on how long they stay registered, they should represent various new gTLD sales. This is absolutely missing in sources like Namebio, while this part of money which people are paying for new gTLDs can represent even larger portion of all sales, comparing to what is actually recorded in Namebio as aftermarket new gTLD sales.

So it is much more then 3,6 mil people are investing to new gTLDs. We do not have this mechanism of premium renewals in .com, but for new gTLDs, it is very important to consider it if you want to see whole picture about where the money flows

bmugford · Oct 23, 2019

lolwarrior said:
This is imo apples to oranges comparison.

Why? When someone registers new gTLD domain name with high premium renewal, this is NOT noted as sale in Namebio.

For example: if someone register a domain name with 30k/year renewal (there are some names like that registered afaik), it is actually at least 30k worth of new gTLD sale. If the name gets renewed after 1st year, it is 60k worth of new gTLD sale, etc, etc. Someone simply paid 60k for privilege to have great new gTLD name registered for period of 2 years.

There are thousands of new gTLD names with hign premium renewals registered at the moment - based on how long they stay registered, they should represent various new gTLD sales. This is absolutely missing in sources like Namebio, while this part of money which people are paying for new gTLDs can represent even larger portion of all sales, comparing to what is actually recorded in Namebio as aftermarket new gTLD sales.

So it is much more then 3,6 mil people are investing to new gTLDs. We do not have this mechanism of premium renewals in .com, but for new gTLDs, it is very important to consider it if you want to see whole picture about where the money flows

Fair enough, but the data is what it is.

The sales of both .COM and new GTLD are judged both in sales volume and total sales.
That is apples to apples.

If anything new extension sales might be over represented when it comes to money flowing to domain investors. Some individual extensions report their premium sales, like .GLOBAL. This is money from the pool not going to domain investors.

Brad

Jurgen Wolf · Oct 23, 2019

bmugford said:
That is fine. That is your opinion, which again falls under anecdotal evidence.

Not only mine.
http://singaporedatacompany.com/blog/how-many-domain-names-are-unused

bmugford · Oct 23, 2019

Jurgen Wolf said:
Not only mine.
http://singaporedatacompany.com/blog/how-many-domain-names-are-unused

Unless you can produce any objective information that .COM is unused at a far higher rate than new extensions, then it is irrelevant.

Here is some anecdotal evidence. I hardly ever see new extensions advertised anywhere.
I see .COM advertised many times per day.

Since new extensions have 20% of the registration volume you figure they would be all over the place.
Wouldn't you think?

Brad

Joe N · Oct 23, 2019

lolwarrior said:
This is imo apples to oranges comparison.

Why? When someone registers new gTLD domain name with high premium renewal, this is NOT noted as sale in Namebio.

For example: if someone register a domain name with 30k/year renewal (there are some names like that registered afaik), it is actually at least 30k worth of new gTLD sale. If the name gets renewed after 1st year, it is 60k worth of new gTLD sale, etc, etc. Someone simply paid 60k for privilege to have great new gTLD name registered for period of 2 years.

There are thousands of new gTLD names with hign premium renewals registered at the moment - based on how long they stay registered, they should represent various new gTLD sales. This is absolutely missing in sources like Namebio, while this part of money which people are paying for new gTLDs can represent even larger portion of all sales, comparing to what is actually recorded in Namebio as aftermarket new gTLD sales.

So it is much more then 3,6 mil people are investing to new gTLDs. We do not have this mechanism of premium renewals in .com, but for new gTLDs, it is very important to consider it if you want to see whole picture about where the money flows

I'm not sure how registry sales of premium names mean that the average investor is going to have a better chance of selling their non-premium names for a reasonable profit...

Jurgen Wolf · Oct 23, 2019

In my country I regularly see nTLDs even on TV, already said above.

bmugford · Oct 23, 2019

Jurgen Wolf said:
In my country I regularly see nTLDs even on TV, already said above.

Well, in the US there is virtually no demand, awareness, marketing, advertising, in the real world.
If they are popular in your country more power to you.

You have 1000+ extensions with 27M+ total registrations putting up, on average, less than (3) reported sales per day over the last year. So they can't be very popular in very many different places.

Brad

Jurgen Wolf · Oct 23, 2019

Yes, and as I see - almost all opponents of nTLDs are strictly from the USA.
Just fact, nothing more.

Brands.International · Oct 23, 2019

Joe Nichols said:
I'm not sure how registry sales of premium names mean that the average investor is going to have a better chance of selling their non-premium names for a reasonable profit...

It is not difficult:

lot of registry sales of new gTLDs + lot of new gTLD names with high renewal fees which are registered <=> lot of money flowing towards new gTLD names

The more money flowing into new gTLD names the more chance that new gTLD investors are going to sell their new gTLD names for good prices

bmugford · Oct 23, 2019

lolwarrior said:
It is not difficult:

lot of registry sales of new gTLDs + lot of new gTLD names with high renewal fees which are registered <=> lot of money flowing towards new gTLD names

The more money flowing into new gTLD names the more chance that new gTLD investors are going to sell their new gTLD names for good prices

Interesting theory. It just sounds like more money flowing to registries IMO.

Brad

Brands.International · Oct 23, 2019

Jurgen Wolf said:
Yes, and as I see - almost all opponents of nTLDs are strictly from the USA.
Just fact, nothing more.

Lol, good observation, it seems like this also for me

I think it is because in USA the .com is really strong - but here in Europe, we do not care about it so much

Brands.International · Oct 23, 2019

bmugford said:
Interesting theory. It just sounds like more money flowing to registries IMO.

Brad

End users do not care whether the good new gTLD name belongs to individual investor or registry - they just want the name itself

bmugford · Oct 23, 2019

lolwarrior said:
End users do not care whether the good new gTLD name belongs to individual investor or registry - they just want the name itself

I agree, but that is largely not relevant to my comments.

When a registry is reporting sales that show up in NameBio.com, that pool of money does not go to domain investors. That is my point.

I am not really interested in any extension where I am competing against the registry itself, that has virtually no holding costs.

If there was some massive groundswell in new extensions it would be showing up in the reported sales, which it isn't. Under (3) reported sales per day on average for the last year.

Brad

Jurgen Wolf · Oct 23, 2019

If you need geostats, my current 13 nTLDs were sold to the following countries:
Australia
India
Philippines
Germany (3 domains)
Russia (3 domains)
USA (4 domains)

Joe N · Oct 23, 2019

lolwarrior said:
It is not difficult:

lot of registry sales of new gTLDs + lot of new gTLD names with high renewal fees which are registered <=> lot of money flowing towards new gTLD names

The more money flowing into new gTLD names the more chance that new gTLD investors are going to sell their new gTLD names for good prices

Only if they're really good names... which the registries mostly hold.

JayT · Oct 23, 2019

Registries are domainers too imo. If they're making a killing, is ntld failing? Just need to be a registry then and maybe stop complaining? To be cliche, it is what it is. They doing US a favor. Leaving a few gems. They are holding up the VALUE of those domains they OVERLOOKED. You just need need to find them!

Jurgen Wolf · Oct 24, 2019

And finally, the domain can't be sold via some marketplace and reported - if it is available for regfee, because domainers ignored it. Aftermarket doesn't appear from nothing. No domainers = no aftermarket.

Jurgen Wolf · Oct 24, 2019

And it very depends on what is shown on GoDaddy main page...
When they removed .life from their spotlight - amount of inbound inquiries dropped few times...
And most inquiries were from the USA.
Just as example.

Henry Y · Oct 24, 2019

JB Lions said:
By itself, it is marketing, "something is on the rise", unless it's defined. You said inquiries up but sales "The last four years, my gTLD sales have remained the same" Last 4 years the same, steady, not on the rise.

Let me drill down 2 points, so it's easier. First, go back to Daily Sales, last one:

gTLDs - 262
ccTLDs - 48
New gTLDs - 1 ----------- For something on the rise, this should be more active. There shouldn't be 0, 1, low single digit days. This should be rolling. Look at it.

-------------------
Keywords, people keep mentioning "hot keywords"

I picked 2 hot keywords simply because they were hot, meaning there should be activity. Cannabis and Crypto. Again last 200 reported sales, 1 sale. Where is the activity? So I picked a general keyword shoes, I said go ahead and pick whatever you want. Shoes 3 out of the last 100. Where is the activity? Which leads to Henry's post:

I understand the point you're trying to make, most of these new gtlds are niche extensions, only certain keywords are going to make sense. However, .com is 1 general extension, any keyword can work with it. New gtlds also have some general extensions. .xyx, .online, .website, .site, .gdn, etc. some are iffy but all kinds of general extensions. Still where is that action? The keywords I used, or any one you pick can work with a general new gtld extension. Take shoes, that works with many niche extensions as well, many of them.

And when I pick a keyword, it's not just that keyword, it's that keyword somewhere in the domain. Not just shoes.xzy, you can use the same keywords you find with .com. buyshoes.xyz, basketballshoes.xyz etc.

Where is the action? It's not showing up.

1. I have emphasized again and again that solely looking at number of sales makes you have a wrong picture. The problems of just reading number of sales on the daily sales posts are:

What if there is one sale but is sold for 6 figures? Do you still say there is no hope? Think about it. Price is the most important factor in all investments.
The daily sales posts have backdating issue. Some sales are backdated. For example, 10 sales from a seller completed on Monday, but the sales are recorded in Namebio on Friday but marked "Monday" in the Date field. The daily sales posts cannot capture these sales.
Please look at the .top sales for 31 July 2019 in Namebio. There were almost 60 sales. Will you rethink and see there is a bright future then?

2. The 2019 YTD average sales price is higher and standard deviation is lower than 2018. So, new gltds are not on the rise in terms of number of sales, but on the rise in terms of average sales price. It may be a change in the market activity that starts focusing more on good-quality new gtlds (a more premium market). We will have a more clear picture until the end of 2019 as some sellers report sales on a quarterly, semiannually or annually basis, as well as there may be a seasonal effect in December.

3. I just noticed that there have been no .top sales from Alibaba and other Chinese venues recorded in Namebio since Aug 2019 (FYI, there were nearly 100 .top sales from the Chinese venues in July 2019). This is one of the main reasons why the number of ngtld sales in 2019 is much lower than 2018. If you drill down on the data, not just look at the data at a glance, you will change your mind.

4. If you still insist on the keyword issue, I randomly select a few ngtlds for the keyword "crypto" and find the following websites that are actively used:

crypto/xyz
crypto/review
crypto/games
crypto/press
crypto/directory

There may be some other ngtlds with "crypto" and some ngtlds with "crypto+keyword" that are actively used. You can use your creativity to find them out if you want and have time.

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