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What gTLD failed you? For example, you stocked up for nothing.

I'll start. I jumped on the .vip bandwagon when it first dropped. I remember picking up "lounge.vip" which was appraised for several thousand by several members. Of course, stupid me, I hung onto it....'til the end.....the very end....as in $5 end. FML.

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I thought you didn’t invest in .com?
How did it fail you? You have over 1,000 new TLD’s but .com failed you?

We’re talking about the extension that makes up for 99.99% of 6 and 7 figure sales? That’s the extension that failed you guys?

Let’s get real.
Oh, I was just writing a post and did not notice that you posted meanwhile Josh ..I think I just explained your question in my post above :)
 
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Oh, I was just writing a post and did not notice that you posted meanwhile Josh ..I think I just explained your question in my post above :)
You’re a nice guy, but you think it’s fair to say .com failed you?
 
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This isn’t honesty. This is nonsense based on a bias agenda.

Look at the kind of messages I received from speaking the truth.

I’ll continue speaking the truth and helping those who want to be helped.

That guy calls you an idiot then sends those ridiculous messages. The irony...

It is not a big surprise looking at his NamePros posting history.

Brad
 
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You’re a nice guy, but you think it’s fair to say .com failed you?

Not at all. @lolwarrior would be the first one to have an issue if someone said some new extension failed them, without any actual skin in the game.

Brad
 
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Hi Bob - I love the stats but the fact of the matter is that there are 6 figure .com sales that are unreported EVERY single day.
I suspect that is indeed true - that if we knew all the private, Afternic and DAN sales that the total number of high value .com sales is probably about 6x the reported value, which is roughly the factor needed.

But by the same token we don't know what the corresponding factor is in other domain spaces. It is quite likely that some of the country codes that sell at high prices are hugely under-reported as well. DAN probably have many of these for Europe, but many in countries like Canada are not getting into NameBio.

Companies like Donuts would be out of business if their platinum names were not selling many domain names at or near that level, but they only every now and then report one individually. One can estimate crudely from the financial reports that there must be significant sales, and their CEO (?) in the recent DNW podcast said the same (as did the rep I spoke to at their NamesCon booth). Yes, those are registry sales, but they are sales.

NameBio, through no fault of its own, almost certainly grossly under-represents the Asian market at any venue other than the big few western marketplaces. There seem good evidence that under-representation has, relative to what is reported, a higher percentage of new gTLDs.

I feel it is best to state statistics from data we know. And if one likes add that there are many unreported sales, but to me, I am not clear if those unreported sales would push that percentage up or down.

Bob
 
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What is natural in the USA - can be absolutely exotic in other areas...
For example, 2word domains are almost never used by Ukrainian endusers...
I also don't understand anything in those 2/3word .COMs (my brain doesn't work in this direction absolutely) - and that's why I don't invest in them.
 
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Not at all. @lolwarrior would be the first one to have an issue if someone said some new extension failed them, without any actual any skin in the game.

Brad
That is absolutely correct observation Brad. I really require that if someone speaks about something, particularly in a negative way, they need to have some direct experience with subject, so 100% agreed :)

@Josh R thanks for saying nice words about me, I think the same about you. I think we just differ in assets in which we invest in, or work with.

Now to explain why I have selected .com as an extension which personally worked worst for me, for this particular thread purpose - when I started, I actually registered few .com's as well. And yes, I even sold few of them here at Namepros, I think it was for $10 - $15 / each. Totally not worth my time. I studied how the domains are being sold, and soon realised that one needs to invest some serious capital if one wants legacy extensions work out really well. I unfortunatelly do not live in country where lifestyle is cheap (you would be surprised how expensive things can get here now), and I can not spend my time trading, let's say, LLLL .com names, to buy names for 200 and to selll then for 350 as many people here. For some people it works, 150 is lot of money. For me, it is total time waste. So that is why I am not fan at all. Saying that, there are few people who are new in the business, and .com works fantastically for them - I admire their intellect and effort. But ...99,99% of those who start now will not succeed in any major way. The competition is very high there as well - so this is not for me.

New gTLDs are completely different story - there was almost zero competition when I started (now slowly growing), everyone was insecure, lot of people were consfused, and that spells large opportunity, which I think I was able to utilise very well - if you knew what you are doing, you could get valuable domain names almost for free. This was simply not possible in established .com names market when I started in 2014, and of course it is still not possible today .. today it is even worse, imo :)
 
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This isn’t honesty. This is nonsense based on a bias agenda.

Look at the kind of messages I received from speaking the truth.

I’ll continue speaking the truth and helping those who want to be helped.


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Would like to see NamePros take action against these kind of members.

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That is absolutely correct observation Brad. I really require that if someone speaks about something, particularly in a negative way, they need to have some direct experience with subject, so 100% agreed :)

@Josh R thanks for saying nice words about me, I think the same about you. I think we just differ in assets in which we invest in, or work with.

Now to explain why I have selected .com as an extension which personally worked worst for me, for this particular thread purpose - when I started, I actually registered few .com's as well. And yes, I even sold few of them here at Namepros, I think it was for $10 - $15 / each. Totally not worth my time. I studied how the domains are being sold, and soon realised that one needs to invest some serious capital if one wants legacy extensions work out really well. I unfortunatelly do not live in country where lifestyle is cheap (you would be surprised how expensive things can get here now), and I can not spend my time trading, let's say, LLLL .com names, to buy names for 200 and to selll then for 350 as many people here. For some people it works, 150 is lot of money. For me, it is total time waste. So that is why I am not fan at all. Saying that, there are few people who are new in the business, and .com works fantastically for them - I admire their intellect and effort. But ...99,99% of those who start now will not succeed in any major way. The competition is very high there as well - so this is not for me.

New gTLDs are completely different story - there was almost zero competition when I started (now slowly growing), everyone was insecure, lot of people were consfused, and that spells large opportunity, which I think I was able to utilise very well - if you knew what you are doing, you could get valuable domain names almost for free. This was simply not possible in established .com names market when I started in 2014, and of course it is still not possible today .. today it is even worse, imo :)

The most tempted I was, to get in for better or worse, was the idea of being a pioneer in a new extension.
With so many new releases, so difficult to keep up!
How you feeling about the .bond Oct 17 release?
I was willing to try; I tried to register Junk.bond... :xf.grin:

The .COM and new extension faithful, always clash.
It’s important to remember, at the end of the day, all want what’s best for all us... that’s for DNs to sell!
We can have a change in opinion, but you can still learn fr each others’ perspectives @lolwarrior case.

Do i believe n new extensions and will stop com? No

Am i rooting for anyone who is all-in, new exts 2 fail? Absolutely not! i’m actually kinda rooting 4 him more, after he give; his specific, high-margin reasoning.

Good luck and may the BEST extension win.
Or should i say; keep trying to dethrone the 👑 :xf.wink:
 
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What in the heck happened the last few hours? Went out to mow the lawn and have a snifter and now this?? Failure is not an option, btw.

Believe the OP meant new gTLDs, people don't usually refer to .com as a gTLD even though it is.
 
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The whole new GTLD era failed me .. LMAO :) . Back to good old .com

Was pretty excited when the dawn of new GTLDs happened. Picked up some nice one word domains in various extensions. But when the renewal time occurred, i looked into the sales of these gtlds and realized the ROI is not appealing. Compared to the cost (renewals) vs the revenue (selling price and % of these domains sold, end-user interest in these extensions), it didnt seem profitable to me. Yeah a random good sale happens here and there. But if you look at the inventory (number of domains the person has in the gtld) and the renewal costs - not much business sense to me.


And the list of ever-increasing new GTLDs is constantly growing and has undermined the value of this entire new ecosystem. Because you find the keyword in some extension or other, abundant supply and hard to convince end-users about a particular GTLD. I feel it has also dented .net and some other classic extensions. But .com is always the sought after one.

- Leopard
 
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Guys.. we are still in the same decade as the new G release. And already you look at failure as an option. And not even a decade, most in the last 5 years,

What were your expectations, exactly?
Was there some sort of deadline set in place, to make or break?
Has there been consideration given to a completely different adoption model than what we are used to?
What is your definition of success vs failure? Is there a blueprint for this?

Again. Patience and education. Since when is that a failure? Seems to me those are key to a successful future. But maybe too much to ask in this generation of want it, want it now.

There were people and there still are that worked very hard, gave their entire life day in and day out for years and years to make .com what it is today. Do you think it happened on its own? It's not like registries come out with these new extensions and the world all of a sudden knows about them, and all the legacy investors and business owners are going to be on board all tickety-boo, its going to take the same grit and determination from years past to bring these new guys as real contenders in the domain name arena.

Look, if its not for you its not for you. But I really would rather see this "failure" conversion happening at least a decade or two after the fact, not a year after regging a name, renewals come around and oh no I haven't sold. Keep that mentality for throwaway .coms, easy come easy go. If you look at anyone of us who are vested in new Gs and do research here on NP, there have never been any misgivings about them being quick flips or short term opportunities.

Personally I'm happy with the slow and steady rise we're seeing, it hasn't exploded but that's fine, nothing wrong either with investing/using decent legacy's or ccTLDs which are tried, tested and true. The learning curve with the new GTDs is not an easy one, I tell you not a month goes by when I re-evaluate or re-think that particular end of my portfolio.
 
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I thought you didn’t invest in .com?
How did it fail you? You have over 1,000 new TLD’s but .com failed you?

We’re talking about the extension that makes up for 99.99% of 6 and 7 figure sales? That’s the extension that failed you guys?

Let’s get real.

GET REAL? REALITY IS 87%! Pure propaganda. You think 1/10,000 when reality is 1/10, ESTIMATE OFF by a MORE THAN a factor of 1,000+ - HAHAHA! A PRO?

How far is the moon, a billion miles, dude?
 
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Personally I'm happy with the slow and steady rise we're seeing.

What rise? Overall numbers, it was 29 million something at peak, now it's 26 million something. Last year it was 26 something, so overall numbers seemed to have steadied. Bob Hawkes recent blog post said:

"Unless there is a turnaround, it looks like 2019 will be slower than the previous two years in terms of new global top level domain (new gTLD) sales. "

Slower. These first came out in 2014, everything should be going up, it's not. Overall reg numbers down from peak, about the same as last year. Sales slower.
 
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It has to be .com for the majority of the domainers.
I have always believed .com to be the best among all TLDs. But dot com, like any other TLD, is a sort of pyramid scheme, whereby only people on the top(early-stage investors) enjoy the fruits of good quality keyword domains and rest of bottom are trying to sell each other. It is sad that 99% of the bottom ones will never sell.. Why? Because the end-user would never want them. And here we have the propaganda machines, who keep burning alive the dot com is king threads day in and day out. It is ethically and morally wrong that the big players of this industry never tell the truth of the actual end-user demand and put precious investments of the new domainers in jeopardy. One could well compare the number of dot com registrations to be akin to ghost cities of China.
I also believed in the past that ngTLDs to be a failure and a fad, but the recent sales suggest that businesses don't care about extensions as long as they have got premium keyword domains that would help them in google rankings.
My advice would be to get quality keyword domains in any extension, that offers lower renewal price.
 
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It has to be .com for the majority of the domainers.
I have always believed .com to be the best among all TLDs. But dot com, like any other TLD, is a sort of pyramid scheme, whereby only people on the top(early-stage investors) enjoy the fruits of good quality keyword domains and rest of bottom are trying to sell each other. It is sad that 99% of the bottom ones will never sell.. Why? Because the end-user would never want them. And here we have the propaganda machines, who keep burning alive the dot com is king threads day in and day out. It is ethically and morally wrong that the big players of this industry never tell the truth of the actual end-user demand and put precious investments of the new domainers in jeopardy. One could well compare the number of dot com registrations to be akin to ghost cities of China.
I also believed in the past that ngTLDs to be a failure and a fad, but the recent sales suggest that businesses don't care about extensions as long as they have got premium keyword domains that would help them in google rankings.
My advice would be to get quality keyword domains in any extension, that offers lower renewal price.

I disagree with this prophecy. As it stands now, .com is king, and i enjoy paying $8 year to renew. 7% negl
This is long-term game for me. I have big aspirations
$8- affordable most (all?) doesnt mean “propaganda”

Now, If you disagree with Verisign; i’m sorry to say, their (cash cow) .com contract, runs through 2024.
They are profiting from them, which I’m OK with.

I dont buy the; “Only costs $1 per .com to manage.”
I value stability, they are better than new gTLD who charge $x,xxx or even xxx, honestly even high xx lol
 
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It has to be .com for the majority of the domainers.
I have always believed .com to be the best among all TLDs. But dot com, like any other TLD, is a sort of pyramid scheme, whereby only people on the top(early-stage investors) enjoy the fruits of good quality keyword domains and rest of bottom are trying to sell each other. It is sad that 99% of the bottom ones will never sell.. Why? Because the end-user would never want them. And here we have the propaganda machines, who keep burning alive the dot com is king threads day in and day out. It is ethically and morally wrong that the big players of this industry never tell the truth of the actual end-user demand and put precious investments of the new domainers in jeopardy. One could well compare the number of dot com registrations to be akin to ghost cities of China.
I also believed in the past that ngTLDs to be a failure and a fad, but the recent sales suggest that businesses don't care about extensions as long as they have got premium keyword domains that would help them in google rankings.
My advice would be to get quality keyword domains in any extension, that offers lower renewal price.

haha, like this isn't obvious. Last month tho you said:

"but other ngTLDs will turn out to be nothing more than a fad."

Now, you said "but the recent sales suggest that businesses don't care about extensions as long as they have got premium keyword domains that would help them in google rankings."

You saw a few random sales posted? Understand, there are about 26 million or so new gtlds, there will be some decent sales popping up here and there.
 
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Now, you said "but the recent sales suggest that businesses don't care about extensions



HERE IS WHY THEY NEED TO CARE

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Notice what they had to do for email?
 
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In 95%+ of cases - all these anti-nTLD opinions are from those who has 0-20 nTLD domains.
In other words - doesn't have any real experience in this kind of investments.
 
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What gTLD failed you? For example, you stocked up for nothing.

I'll start. I jumped on the .vip bandwagon when it first dropped. I remember picking up "lounge.vip" which was appraised for several thousand by several members. Of course, stupid me, I hung onto it....'til the end.....the very end....as in $5 end. FML.

Your turn!
Actually none have failed me, but I failed them by not exposing them and marketing them to "end users" like they deserve to be. Take for example the following names I spent a hundred dollars total to own;

Afinity.homes
Intel.homes
Diva.homes
Omni.homes
Sonoma.homes
Patriot.homes
Spectra.homes
Johnson.homes
Shamrock.homes
eGreen.homes

Here is where I failed these names knowing damn well they're worth to realtors and builders. First off, I challenge anyone to tell me why these names aren't good names for the industry they're meant to represent. Second, I challenge anyone to tell me how "end users" even know these names exist. For the record, each of these names is valued at around $1,500 each, thus I paid $100 for a portfolio of domains that is valued at 150K. Are you starting to get the picture? What I do know is, these names are worth every cent of their appraised value "if" marketed to the right "end users". As a point of information, does anyone reading this have a clue how many builders/realtors in the world have a last name Johnson? If you don't care, you should probably look for another job imho.

Good post Tin Nguyen...it brought out the worst best in me:xf.wink:
 
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Haha, share with us your best example of how .app was good to you?

Every dot app domain name is included in the HSTS preload list of all major web browsers. Dot com domain names are not. This makes every .app domain name SAFER and FASTER than legacy gTLDs and every other domain name not in the preload.

.app domain names are backed and managed by Google, the same company that dominates in mobile, search, geo/maps, web browser, online advertising, AI/ML, etc.

People understand and use apps everyday.

Most native #apps are no longer financially justifiable, having been disrupted by web services delivered via progressive web app. Dot app gTLD is the obvious -dare I say perfect- TLD extension for PWAs.

Dot .app is less than two years old. It's still possible to find great .app domain names. As PWAs displace responsive web sites and as people learn more about .app domain names, registrations and aftermarket values will likely increase, significantly.
 
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Actually none have failed me, but I failed them by not exposing them and marketing them to "end users" like they deserve to be. Take for example the following names I spent a hundred dollars total to own;

Afinity.homes
Intel.homes
Diva.homes
Omni.homes
Sonoma.homes
Patriot.homes
Spectra.homes
Johnson.homes
Shamrock.homes
eGreen.homes

Here is where I failed these names knowing damn well they're worth to realtors and builders. First off, I challenge anyone to tell me why these names aren't good names for the industry they're meant to represent. Second, I challenge anyone to tell me how "end users" even know these names exist. For the record, each of these names is valued at around $1,500 each, thus I paid $100 for a portfolio of domains that is valued at 150K. Are you starting to get the picture? What I do know is, these names are worth every cent of their appraised value "if" marketed to the right "end users". As a point of information, does anyone reading this have a clue how many builders/realtors in the world have a last name Johnson? If you don't care, you should probably look for another job imho.

Good post Tin Nguyen...it brought out the worst best in me:xf.wink:
I'm starting to get the picture.
 
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stay away from numerics as its a waste of $ now in any tld and reg anything in .com .co .net .org only imo the rest are just a MAJOR crapshoot unless u have superior a short dictionary 1 worder. like my.life or similar

numerics are used to redirect to main sites mainly online casinos used them and now its a thing of the past.

find new tech, trends and reg .coms only if possible. stay away from brands and household known names.

buy 1 at a time dont go nuts. be cool fool
 
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Guys.. we are still in the same decade as the new G release. And already you look at failure as an option. And not even a decade, most in the last 5 years,

What were your expectations, exactly?
Was there some sort of deadline set in place, to make or break?
Has there been consideration given to a completely different adoption model than what we are used to?
What is your definition of success vs failure? Is there a blueprint for this?

Again. Patience and education. Since when is that a failure? Seems to me those are key to a successful future. But maybe too much to ask in this generation of want it, want it now.

There were people and there still are that worked very hard, gave their entire life day in and day out for years and years to make .com what it is today. Do you think it happened on its own? It's not like registries come out with these new extensions and the world all of a sudden knows about them, and all the legacy investors and business owners are going to be on board all tickety-boo, its going to take the same grit and determination from years past to bring these new guys as real contenders in the domain name arena.

Look, if its not for you its not for you. But I really would rather see this "failure" conversion happening at least a decade or two after the fact, not a year after regging a name, renewals come around and oh no I haven't sold. Keep that mentality for throwaway .coms, easy come easy go. If you look at anyone of us who are vested in new Gs and do research here on NP, there have never been any misgivings about them being quick flips or short term opportunities.

Personally I'm happy with the slow and steady rise we're seeing, it hasn't exploded but that's fine, nothing wrong either with investing/using decent legacy's or ccTLDs which are tried, tested and true. The learning curve with the new GTDs is not an easy one, I tell you not a month goes by when I re-evaluate or re-think that particular end of my portfolio.
100% words of wisdom imo. Although I doubt some people here will ever understand it :)
 
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