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Hello,

Do you think your direct messages are private?

Not so, as i've recently faced that sadly, NP can't do any restriction to the people who published your direct messages on Twitter and/or other social medias.

Let the story begin here;

I have contacted with the management about this Twitter post; https://twitter.com/JoshuaHReason/status/1136355415803826176 that what can be done in such situation.

And the details comes here my report includes;

"However, i didn't remember that made a low ball offer (Gone step by step, and i remember as last offered them nearly 3X for what they paid in 2016 NameJet auctions), the entire history is different, i may had a wrong action in negotiation process (Like comparing the counter offer via another market that the domain name didn't get any bid within the minimum reserved price), not sure if this is the something should be discussed in this situation by the way.

I would send another private message to the related user about this, but actually have doubts if they do the same again, don't involve any conversation and/or respond with hate speech.

As i'm mature i wish to behave as more mature than his behaviour, but also this can't be acceptable."

Result: NP commented that they can't do anything in this situation.

So, where is our privacy then? I'm in no longer to use DM anymore.
 
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Unfortunately, just like emails can be published online, so can DM's. They used to be called PM (private message), but there is a reason why now that's changed to DM.

With emails you can add a confidentiality statement. That may work with DM's, I don't know.

Bottom line, don't share anything via DM that you would not want to get out into the public. And message only with trusted members.
 
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Sharing a Namepros DM on Twitter.....Not cool. Not cool at all.
 
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I have to agree with TCK here as well. When i read your subject I assumed someone else got into and read the DM you send another user. In that case yeah thats a huge problem.

But if the intended recipient was the one that released the DM then unfortunately there is nothing that can be done, and namepros can't have any say over how its handled.

At least he blurred out your name... Not that it helps anything..
 
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Josh R; You're also welcome here to say something else.
 
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Well it goes both ways IMO, if I don't know you and you said something to piss me off, why would you believe you have an expectation of privacy? I did not request you to contact me.

If you have a relationship with someone and you maybe said this is personal just between you and I, or please don't repeat. I think someone should honor that.

It's like those disclaimers at the bottom of an email that says it's intended for the person emailed and not to share etc....

The legal effect:
Unfortunately, you probably can’t point to your disclaimer to prevent the prospective customer from publishing the discount you offered them.

Attempting to use signature block disclaimers to communicate the confidentiality of an email and create a legal obligation on the recipient to protect that information is the most common type of email signature disclaimer.

However, the same “meeting of the minds” principle that made disclaiming a contract formation somewhat effective largely defeats a confidentiality clause’s legal effectiveness. That’s because unless the recipient agrees to a contract that stipulates that the information needs to be kept confidential, they haven’t entered into a contract, and therefore they aren’t obligated to respect your wishes for confidentiality.

Options:
Despite its largely inconsequential legal effect, many companies continue to use them. That’s either because they don’t know the clauses aren’t effective, or because they hope to scare or shame the email recipients into complying (which is probably somewhat effective).

https://www.teamoutpost.com/blog/email-legal-disclaimers/

Let me also say this independent of this issue witth OP and Josh, but I have been here a long time and let me say there are some people here who plain don't like other people here, now in a passive - aggressive world people might not know about the level of contempt until something happens like posting of a pm.

Every PM sent should be with the knowledge it might be shared and probably too some degree is being shared, a lot of cliques in domaining.
 
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Generally, sharing a private conversation should not be acceptable. But in your case, this does not look like a private conversation, rather a harassment – why would you use extra means (such as NP messages) to contact a person if that person had already ceased communication with you somewhere else?

"However, i didn't remember that made a low ball offer (Gone step by step, and i remember as last offered them nearly 3X for what they paid in 2016 NameJet auctions)

Everyone has the right to decide the acceptable price for their domains, what is good offer, what is low offer. Applying your logic, it should be fair to offer $24 for any hand-registered domain, because its "3X what they paid". Willing to decide domain's worth because you know everything about its sales history looks like another stalker-ish stunt.
 
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I raised that question a couple of years ago, 5 pages of responses and a poll - https://www.namepros.com/threads/direct-messages-question.1020381/

Thanks for the original thread as i didn't expect to be twice on this subject, shocked a bit, but it's a pleasure to meet people in common sense.

Unfortunately, just like emails can be published online, so can DM's. They used to be called PM (private message), but there is a reason why now that's changed to DM.

With emails you can add a confidentiality statement. That may work with DM's, I don't know.

Bottom line, don't share anything via DM that you would not want to get out into the public. And message only with trusted members.

From now on, i'll be rarely sending and/or receiving direct messages, we can't flag who can be trusted or not, i thought he could be, but faced with childhood.

Sharing a Namepros DM on Twitter.....Not cool. Not cool at all.

If my nickname wasn't there clearly, there would be no problem, but i'm advertised as a low baller without knowing nothing on my side to the public, that's not acceptable.

I have to agree with TCK here as well. When i read your subject I assumed someone else got into and read the DM you send another user. In that case yeah thats a huge problem.

But if the intended recipient was the one that released the DM then unfortunately there is nothing that can be done, and namepros can't have any say over how its handled.

At least he blurred out your name... Not that it helps anything..

Unfortunately not, and NP can't do anything to the shared "private content with a name".

Well it goes both ways IMO, if I don't know you and you said something to piss me off, why would you believe you have an expectation of privacy? I did not request you to contact me.

If you have a relationship with someone and you maybe said this is personal just between you and I, or please don't repeat. I think someone should honor that.

It's like those disclaimers at the bottom of an email that says it's intended for the person emailed and not to share etc....

The legal effect:
Unfortunately, you probably can’t point to your disclaimer to prevent the prospective customer from publishing the discount you offered them.

Attempting to use signature block disclaimers to communicate the confidentiality of an email and create a legal obligation on the recipient to protect that information is the most common type of email signature disclaimer.

However, the same “meeting of the minds” principle that made disclaiming a contract formation somewhat effective largely defeats a confidentiality clause’s legal effectiveness. That’s because unless the recipient agrees to a contract that stipulates that the information needs to be kept confidential, they haven’t entered into a contract, and therefore they aren’t obligated to respect your wishes for confidentiality.

Options:
Despite its largely inconsequential legal effect, many companies continue to use them. That’s either because they don’t know the clauses aren’t effective, or because they hope to scare or shame the email recipients into complying (which is probably somewhat effective).

https://www.teamoutpost.com/blog/email-legal-disclaimers/

Let me also say this independent of this issue witth OP and Josh, but I have been here a long time and let me say there are some people here who plain don't like other people here, now in a passive - aggressive world people might not know about the level of contempt until something happens like posting of a pm.

Every PM sent should be with the knowledge it might be shared and probably too some degree is being shared, a lot of cliques in domaining.

No pissing, no relationship and there wasn't any important requirement to post a private message to the public and call someone as low baller.

Generally, sharing a private conversation should not be acceptable. But in your case, this does not look like a private conversation, rather a harassment – why would you use extra means (such as NP messages) to contact a person if that person had already ceased communication with you somewhere else?

Everyone has the right to decide the acceptable price for their domains, what is good offer, what is low offer. Applying your logic, it should be fair to offer $24 for any hand-registered domain, because its "3X what they paid". Willing to decide domain's worth because you know everything about its sales history looks like another stalker-ish stunt.

I made two offers, after his first rejection to the offer i wished to negotiate, but as i commented above, my fault was to compare the counter offer with the minimum reserved price that doesn't meet at another marketplace, i'm behind my mistakes.

If $750 offer for dnwe.com makes me a low baller, ok, i accept it, but i don't think so, while i paid mid XXX each for an NNNN.org and a brandable LLLLL.com that acquired this year.

My logic differs on each domain name and i don't create a wanted thread for any hand registered domain, i try to register them before someone else which fits me better, if couldn't, it was probably registered before few years ago and then a possible negotiation begins or not.

P.S: When others buy in cheap and try to sell as a fortune, it's not a problem, but while another offers something that the seller doesn't accept is being a low ball even if the offering price is higher than the records, what a nice world it is.
 
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I find it in very poor taste to share messages that are not regarding a fraudulent activity and yes your ID is clearly seen on the Twitter post at the bottom. Says more about the person who felt the need to share it publicly than you. We all get and make low offers— who cares?
 
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Thanks for the original thread as i didn't expect to be twice on this subject, shocked a bit, but it's a pleasure to meet people in common sense.



From now on, i'll be rarely sending and/or receiving direct messages, we can't flag who can be trusted or not, i thought he could be, but faced with childhood.



If my nickname wasn't there clearly, there would be no problem, but i'm advertised as a low baller without knowing nothing on my side to the public, that's not acceptable.



Unfortunately not, and NP can't do anything to the shared "private content with a name".



No pissing, no relationship and there wasn't any important requirement to post a private message to the public and call someone as low baller.



I made two offers, after his first rejection to the offer i wished to negotiate, but as i commented above, my fault was to compare the counter offer with the minimum reserved price that doesn't meet at another marketplace, i'm behind my mistakes.

If $750 offer for dnwe.com makes me a low baller, ok, i accept it, but i don't think so, while i paid mid XXX each for an NNNN.org and a brandable LLLLL.com that acquired this year.

My logic differs on each domain name and i don't create a wanted thread for any hand registered domain, i try to register them before someone else which fits me better, if couldn't, it was probably registered before few years ago and then a possible negotiation begins or not.

P.S: When others buy in cheap and try to sell as a fortune, it's not a problem, but while another offers something that the seller doesn't accept is being a low ball even if the person who offers the price that is higher than the records, what a nice world it is.

As I said CYC I was talking on the macro, the concept about pm's staying private. I said independent of you and @Josh R I don't know why he did that. @Josh R must have felt some reason to do that and that's his choice, maybe he can explain why here.
 
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I’ve never engaged in a single word of conversation with this person. The only engagement I’ve had was declining their offers on DAN for one of my domains.

I really have no clue why they felt the need to message me on NamePros at all. I declined their offers on DAN.com (end of story).

I certainly don’t have much respect for some random person that sends me an abusive message on a different platform just because I declined their offer..Very weird behavior IMO.

As a general rule of thumb, my DM’s with people stay private. However; Random users that spam me and hide behind a username don’t really fall into my categorization of a private conversation. Especially when I’ve engaged in zero conversation with whoever it might be.

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NEVER say anything in writing you would not want redistributed or shared with 3rd parties...EVER.

In this era of social media addicts, everyone is looking for fodder to keep them 'trending' or to promote an agenda, real or imagined. This is why I have a total of 0...that's right, zero, social media accounts.

In the domain world, especially if a person is juggling hundreds and/or thousands of domains, time is of the essence so short and sweet questions and answers are what I want and need...btw, most of what you say on a business call should not be considered private either.
 
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NEVER say anything in writing you would not want redistributed or shared with 3rd parties...EVER.

In this era of social media addicts, everyone is looking for fodder to keep them 'trending' or to promote an agenda, real or imagined. This is why I have a total of 0...that's right, zero, social media accounts.

In the domain world, especially if a person is juggling hundreds and/or thousands of domains, time is of the essence so short and sweet questions and answers are what I want and need...btw, most of what you say on a business call should not be considered private either.
I don't have any social media accounts either (aside from a LinkedIn account I've never used).
 
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I find it in very poor taste to share messages that are not regarding a fraudulent activity and yes your ID is clearly seen on the Twitter post at the bottom. Says more about the person who felt the need to share it publicly than you. We all get and make low offers— who cares?

And, now, i'have just became a spammer too.

As I said CYC I was talking on the macro, the concept about pm's staying private. I said independent of you and @Josh R I don't know why he did that. @Josh R must have felt some reason to do that and that's his choice, maybe he can explain why here.

Do you remember what i wrote in the first message?

"I would send another private message to the related user about this, but actually have doubts if they do the same again, don't involve any conversation and/or respond with hate speech."

And now, we see what is done at the below.

I’ve never engaged in a single word of conversation with this person. The only engagement I’ve had was declining their offers on DAN for one of my domains.

I really have no clue why they felt the need to message me on NamePros at all. I declined their offers on DAN.com (end of story).

I certainly don’t have much respect for some random person that sends me an abusive message on a different platform just because I declined their offer..Very weird behavior IMO.

As a general rule of thumb, my DM’s with people stay private. However; Random users that spam me and hide behind a username don’t really fall into my categorization of a private conversation. Especially when I’ve engaged in zero conversation with whoever it might be.

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Why i sent you a message via here to make you know that the person who made you an offer was a member of the forum too.

Was that message abusive and do you know what the spam means also?

I just wanted to make a comment about a negotiation whether it was ended with a success or not.

You wouldn't reply and i didn't send another or tried to contact with you, so there's not any repeat.

Then, you published a Twitter post with calling my nickname and trying to create a wrong perception, do you find this behavior nice?

Glad that i didn't contact you with a mail message.

P.S: Why i liked your message that you nearly did the same again and i haven't been surprised.

NEVER say anything in writing you would not want redistributed or shared with 3rd parties...EVER.

In this era of social media addicts, everyone is looking for fodder to keep them 'trending' or to promote an agenda, real or imagined. This is why I have a total of 0...that's right, zero, social media accounts.

In the domain world, especially if a person is juggling hundreds and/or thousands of domains, time is of the essence so short and sweet questions and answers are what I want and need...btw, most of what you say on a business call should not be considered private either.

Accusing someone as a low baller and spammer to get some likes?

I don't have any social media accounts either (aside from a LinkedIn account I've never used).

LinkedIN seems less dangerous than the others.
 
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Hello,

NamePros does not have private messages. NamePros only has direct messages, which means that they are sent directly to specific person(s), but it does not mean that the participants cannot share the messages. In direct messages, anyone can add other participants to the conversation, similar to adding a carbon copy (CC) to an email or forwarding it to someone else. Emails also have blind carbon copy (BCC), which could be thought of as quoting a direct message to someone else without informing anyone else about it.

There are places and circumstances in which we enforce content privacy:
  1. In a direct message before private information is shared where all parties agree to its confidentiality.
  2. In The PRO Network where all members understand it is private.
  3. In the Insiders Lounge where all members have been informed it is private to Insider members only.
  4. If it violates our Terms of Services or rules, such as accessing a direct message when none of the participants granted permission.
In these cases, we can remove the information from being shown elsewhere on NamePros. Failure to uphold these privacy expectations could result in member accounts losing access, badges, or being restricted.

When i read your subject I assumed someone else got into and read the DM you send another user. In that case yeah thats a huge problem.
If that happened, then we would remove it publicly from NamePros and enforce restrictions on whoever shared it. However, it is unlikely this would happen because NamePros is an industry leader when it comes to protecting our users' privacy and information.

The most probable way this could happen is if you compromised your own account in some way, such as: sharing your password with someone else, choosing a weak password, using the same password on multiple sites, etc. It's best to enable Two-Factor Authentication to decrease the chances of unauthorized access to your account due to security mistakes on your part.

We hope that helps.
 
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With all due respect can you see how these two contradict?

NamePros is an industry leader when it comes to protecting privacy and information.

NamePros only has direct messages, which means that they are sent directly to specific person(s), but it does not mean that the participants cannot share the messages.

It seems like there should be some expected privacy with DM's. They shouldn't be a "free for all" where DM's can be posted to disparage and insult.....imo

Either way. Lesson learned.😀
 
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With all due respect can you see how these two contradict?

NamePros protects it from unauthorized access. When you send information to someone, whether publicly on the forums or through a direct message, you are granting access to that information. There is no inherent expectation of privacy unless you know the recipient and/or have reason to believe the recipient would not share it without your approval.

It's similar to other online communications (e.g., sending an email or a message on Skype). If you don't know the recipient, then you likely realize there is a greater chance that it could be shared with someone else because you essentially don't know where you're sending it.
 
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Accusing someone as a low baller and spammer to get some likes?

I didn't accuse you of anything...just making an observation. Perhaps you should re-read what I wrote.
 
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  1. You are the low baller and will be for the end.
  2. You are not a mature. "
What are you talking about?
 
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With all due respect can you see how these two contradict?

Mod Team Bravo said:
NamePros is an industry leader when it comes to protecting privacy and information.


Mod Team Bravo said:
NamePros only has direct messages, which means that they are sent directly to specific person(s), but it does not mean that the participants cannot share the messages.


It seems like there should be some expected privacy with DM's. They shouldn't be a "free for all" where DM's can be posted to disparage and insult.....imo

Either way. Lesson learned.😀

That's what i mean, if he would hide my username, there would be no such a problem, everybody can have a first impression on somebody else.

But, if you direct your first impression with a wrong perception about anyone the public with their identity whether it's a forum or not, this is not a right action.

Either way. Lesson learned by me too about the DM privacy here and member @Josh R

NamePros protects it from unauthorized access. When you send information to someone, whether publicly on the forums or through a direct message, you are granting access to that information. There is no inherent expectation of privacy unless you know the recipient and/or have reason to believe the recipient would not share it without your approval.

It's similar to other online communications (e.g., sending an email or a message on Skype). If you don't know the recipient, then you likely realize there is a greater chance that it could be shared with someone else because you essentially don't know where you're sending it.

As a service provider, meeting the technical requirements for protecting the privacy is a must and this couldn't be given as a favour to the members.

But as @Internet.Domains mentioned that there's an expected privacy and enforcement for breaking the anonymity if there wasn't anything done against the Term Of Service.

I didn't accuse you of anything...just making an observation. Perhaps you should re-read what I wrote.

I didn't mean you do that, just maybe i was accused by someone else for a few Twitter likes.

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  1. You are the low baller and will be for the end.
  2. You are not a mature. "
What are you talking about?

Welcome to the NamePros, in case you haven't read yet;

"If $750 offer for dnwe.com makes me a low baller, ok, i accept it, but i don't think so, while i paid mid XXX each for an NNNN.org and a brandable LLLLL.com that acquired this year.

P.S: When others buy in cheap and try to sell as a fortune, it's not a problem, but while another offers something that the seller doesn't accept is being a low ball even if the offering price is higher than the records, what a nice world it is."
 
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That's what i mean, if he would hide my username, there would be no such a problem
For what it's worth:

Josh did, originally, hide your username at the top of the image. It appears to have been an accident that your username was not hidden at the bottom of the image, too. It is easy to miss, and it was most likely overlooked.
 
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For what it's worth:

Josh did, originally, hide your username at the top of the image. It appears to have been an accident that your username was not hidden at the bottom of the image, too. It is easy to miss, and it was most likely overlooked.

I thought like that too at the first, but he could be able to change it later.

No change and we read his message recently, so accident turned into murdering.

Anyway, lessons learned as i mentioned before, let's move on.

Will be glad if you can remove this thread as it's duplicated mainly.
 
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