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Very frustrating to see no sales since July, is there a whining fairy to reach out to, is this a trend others are experiencing too?

Most of my portfolio is 2 word names, or brandable names under 7 characters ( listed on 3rd parties)
3rd parties = about 150 on Brandbucket, 150 on Brandpa, 50 on SquadHelp = all priced by them
Rest, mostly 2 word, landing on DAN, listed on afternic and godaddy - all priced competitively near $2900
Most domains are 2+ years. Average sale was 3 domains per month till July.
Usually i get lowball offers, but that haven't been coming in for a couple of months.
 
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how does a buyer, find your brandable in isolation, when brandables really don't have type-in traffic?

and....
if a brandable does have traffic, then whether it is in isolation or listed on a "name advisory platform"... when a visitor reaches it, both will have their respective landing pages.

at that point, in either situation, the visitor/buyer is still looking at one domain.

so, logically, for those brandables without any traffic, a "name advisory platform", may be in their best interest to use.

just saying....

as for the OP not having any sales since July
i'd say look at the big picture and see your averages over the span of time, that you've been domaining.

see how far you've come from where you started, and look at far you can go.

imo...

I look at it differently.

If .COM is the Gold standard, and I believe it is, and also that it is becoming more so as the other extensions bow down to it, e.g. even the .AI and .IO trendies eventually get .COM envy. True story.

So, if someone decides they want the .COM, they will look to see who has it -- often just by typing it in to see what is there. That is where a convincing SSL lander is quite helpful.

In other words, type-in traffic for brandables can be very precious traffic. It is wise not to waste it.
 
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It still doesn't warrant the reference to Nigeria as such a style is not exclusive to Nigerians only. Stop playing this kind of game as it'll affect the love for Epik as a brand if it continues.
Uhhh :xf.sick: I see nothing wrong in his use of my country as a reference point. Your reply is unnecessary and distasteful.
 
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Uhhh :xf.sick: I see nothing wrong in his use of my country as a reference point. Your reply is unnecessary and distasteful.
U see nothing wrong? Wonders they said shall never end.
 
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I don't agree with your reply...why not chose other country to drive out your point..why Nigeria?

Seriously, I have yet to meet a Nigerian I didn't like. I also have yet to meet a Norwegian I didn't like. Can we not just embrace our national diversity and not get offended when celebrating the fact that there are people from a certain part of the world that are making way more than the GDP per capita by domaining? Seriously, people need to chill out about this stuff.
 
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Seriously, I have yet to meet a Nigerian I didn't like. I also have yet to meet a Norwegian I didn't like. Can we not just embrace our national diversity and not get offended when celebrating the fact that there are people from a certain part of the world that are making way more than the GDP per capita by domaining? Seriously, people need to chill out about this stuff.
Is it only Nigerians that are making more than GDP per capital domaining?
 
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Well I started 18 months ago and over the next 6 months my portfolio was 360. After a lot of reading on namepros and also bad feedback from members, I dropped over 200 to tidy up the portfolio a bit. Mostly dot coms now. Still never had a sale, lowball offer, enquiry or get spam. It's like they are invisible grrrrr.Anyone can see my portfolio from my signature.is there anyone else who has gone 18 months without a sale, enquiry, or even lowball offer ? I can't be the only one. Or can I ?
 
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Is it only Nigerians that are making more than GDP per capital domaining?

Of course there are there other groups. I just happen to know about a particular Nigerian who is making a nice income buying hand-reg domains and selling them on SH for $2K per domain. He has a good talent for naming and he has been teaching others. I would call that a success story worth celebrating. Sorry if it offends you but seriously, I think we have to celebrate our wins.

My point here though is the Nigerian guys who are selling their brandables for $2K, might be able to sell them on their own direct landers and get a lot more. Instead, they are training people to go to SH and shop at the warehouse. I think that is a really bad idea, and think the industry would be better off if all the best inventory resolved to their own landers rather than training people to show at the discount warehouse where everyone competes on price.
 
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Of course there are there other groups. I just happen to know about a particular Nigerian who is making a nice income buying hand-reg domains and selling them on SH for $2K per domain. He has a good talent for naming and he has been teaching others. I would call that a success story worth celebrating. Sorry if it offends you but seriously, I think we have to celebrate our wins.

My point here though is the Nigerian guys who are selling their brandables for $2K, might be able to sell them on their own direct landers and get a lot more. Instead, they are training people to go to SH and shop at the warehouse. I think that is a really bad idea, and think the industry would be better off if all the best inventory resolved to their own landers rather than training people to show at the discount warehouse where everyone competes on price.
Ok..
 
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Let's take a look at one of yours:

Tots1.com

Nice enough name.

Where does it resolve? A domain warehouse where people can find 1000 other names that will compete on price. I call that a bad strategy. Resolve to your own domain and show just your inventory.

If you want a private domain marketplace, just show your inventory. Like this:

https://marketplace.epik.com/seller/epik

That is just a single customer's inventory -- nobody else's. Anyone can set it up for free:

https://registrar.epik.com/account/market-portals (free Epik account required)

Think about this as an analogy:

Let's say you set up a $10 Taco stand -- very nice tacos, and a nice location off the highway with no other dining options around. It is just you. I bet you do just fine.

Contrast that with the guy selling $10 tacos on the street corner, right next to an intersection that has a McDonalds, a TacoBell, a Burger King, a WalMart and a Costco.

I don't know about you, but I would rather be the lonely guy with the premium taco stand.
Tots1 has many different uses but my idea for that one was (team of the season) division 1. And then there could be division 2,3,4 ect.
 
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Uhhh :xf.sick: I see nothing wrong in his use of my country as a reference point. Your reply is unnecessary and distasteful.

I'm not responsible for your perception but Rob got my point.
 
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I have bigger ones, but gave that to illustrate the point about how to market brandables.
I think some people would be quite surprised to know that brandables routinely go for more than $100K.
@Rob Monster .. how many domains do you and/or Epik own personally?

If .COM is the Gold standard, and I believe it is, and also that it is becoming more so as the other extensions bow down to it, e.g. even the .AI and .IO trendies eventually get .COM envy. True story.
So, if someone decides they want the .COM, they will look to see who has it -- often just by typing it in to see what is there. That is where a convincing SSL lander is quite helpful.
I agree with the root of what you're saying. But most of the time when a .ai or .io sells, it because the one-word .com they wanted simply was not available or not within their budget .. so then they ask .. do they still want the same TLD or the same SLD.

There are some advantages to having a one-word non-.com over a two-word .com. But ultimately the more important disadvantages only become more apparent after the fact (namely missing emails and lost traffic to the .com). Having that one-word "name" also is initially easier to market .. and it's only afterward that most companies realise that in terms of marketing, one-word domains are actually two words including the .TLD (and two-word domains are actually three-words) .. so .. the initial illusionary advantage of one-word vs two-word is big .. BUT .. effectively the difference should have been measured between the full one-word domain (2 words including TLD) vs the full two-word .com domain (3 words, but with a significantly more powerful TLD) .. so 1:2 appears big at first .. but then they realise that effectively it's 2:3 PLUS the 2 has significant technical disadvantages ... all of a sudden that two-word .com looks a whole ton more appealing .. and/.or .. that huge pricetag of the one-word .com seems a lot more justified/realistic.


Well I started 18 months ago and over the next 6 months my portfolio was 360. After a lot of reading on namepros and also bad feedback from members, I dropped over 200 to tidy up the portfolio a bit. Mostly dot coms now. Still never had a sale, lowball offer, enquiry or get spam. It's like they are invisible grrrrr.Anyone can see my portfolio from my signature.is there anyone else who has gone 18 months without a sale, enquiry, or even lowball offer ? I can't be the only one. Or can I ?
I just took a peak at the first few pages .. and I'm really sorry to say that I'm not surprised you haven't had any sales. Unfortunately I think it will likely be a while if ever before you see any sales. Most of them simply do not have realistic end users .. even less who would pay more than regfee. The one or two that weren't bad were way overpriced.


Tots1 has many different uses but my idea for that one was (team of the season) division 1. And then there could be division 2,3,4 ect.
The hardest fact people need to face as new domainers is that as fun as it is to come up with great imaginitive ideas for domain uses (it's usually why we initially fall in love with domains), in the end it's the wrong approach. You need to focus on domains where there are existing AND in demand AND profitable uses for the domains you acquire. You really need to clear your head and ask yourself .. who is out there today who will pay more than regfee for Tots1? I can't think of one ... and you'd need A LOT to compensate for the fact it's fundamentally not a great domain plus there are likely tons of alternatives. Good luck with them all the same .. there are certainly the occasional one-off lucky sale .. but I really advise you focus on good strong quality two-word .com domains with existing end-users in profitable industries.

Sorry for being so negative .. but hopefully it will help you shift to the better direction! :)


Let's say you set up a $10 Taco stand -- very nice tacos, and a nice location off the highway with no other dining options around. It is just you. I bet you do just fine.

Contrast that with the guy selling $10 tacos on the street corner, right next to an intersection that has a McDonalds, a TacoBell, a Burger King, a WalMart and a Costco.

I don't know about you, but I would rather be the lonely guy with the premium taco stand.
Not necessary .. lol .. just as important as the competition is the traffic ... there's probably a reason there's a McD's, TB, BK, etc in that area .. it's traffic (either quantity or/and quality). In most cases you're better off getting 5% of traffic from the best intersection in town than you are getting 100% of traffic at the worst intersection.

HOWEVER .. if you tacos are damn good .. good enough that people will come your tacos (instead of you needing to be where they are) .. then moving to a quieter location makes more sense so that nobody is distracted by the 2 Whoppers for $7 promotion!

While I don't totally agree with your Taco analogy .. ultimate it doesn't really matter when it comes to domains, because we aren't about just a few competing restaurants ... we're talking about thousands of competing domains to distract potential buyers. So many that in fact most people who would likely love your tacos, unltimately never even see them or know you're there.

So yeah .. agreed .. brandable marketplaces are bad for good domains .. but they can be better for domains that don't really stand out or that won't be specifically searched for (don't have at least one meaningful keyword). That being said .. bad domains still won't have a good likelihood of selling either way! lol

The one positive thing about the brandable market places, is that attract BUYERS .. there are people there who will buy the best domain they find .. so they aren't particularly useless .. but listing your domains there is a lottery for the most part ... with very low chances. The math was just stupid when they were charging $10 to list your domains there (and also demanding exclusivity) .. seems most have dropped to $1 .. I haven't really analysed the new math .. but it's not a place for the better quality find-able domains.
 
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Seriously, I have yet to meet a Nigerian I didn't like. I also have yet to meet a Norwegian I didn't like. Can we not just embrace our national diversity and not get offended when celebrating the fact that there are people from a certain part of the world that are making way more than the GDP per capita by domaining? Seriously, people need to chill out about this stuff.

People from Nigeria were getting offended when Ategy said $5,000 was a life changing amount, imagine the feelings from a $30 grant. Not sure where you get your stats at $250 a month, but Salary Explorer has average salary at $1,286 a month. I think some are getting offended because you keep setting people up as desperate, poor and needy for marketing purposes. I think it's rubbing some people wrong. That's pretty clear from this thread and the other thread.

http://www.salaryexplorer.com/salary-survey.php?loc=158&loctype=1

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Very frustrating to see no sales since July, is there a whining fairy to reach out to, is this a trend others are experiencing too?

Most of my portfolio is 2 word names, or brandable names under 7 characters ( listed on 3rd parties)
3rd parties = about 150 on Brandbucket, 150 on Brandpa, 50 on SquadHelp = all priced by them
Rest, mostly 2 word, landing on DAN, listed on afternic and godaddy - all priced competitively near $2900
Most domains are 2+ years. Average sale was 3 domains per month till July.
Usually i get lowball offers, but that haven't been coming in for a couple of months.

Domaining is just not a steady business like a job. Was just reading the other thread of somebody getting 2 big new gtld sales in 24 hours.
 
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Well I started 18 months ago and over the next 6 months my portfolio was 360. After a lot of reading on namepros and also bad feedback from members, I dropped over 200 to tidy up the portfolio a bit. Mostly dot coms now. Still never had a sale, lowball offer, enquiry or get spam. It's like they are invisible grrrrr.Anyone can see my portfolio from my signature.is there anyone else who has gone 18 months without a sale, enquiry, or even lowball offer ? I can't be the only one. Or can I ?

You have to re-consider how you choose names. The names you are choosing, a buyer can just play around at registrar suggestions and get one for $17. They are not paying high $xxx to $xxxx for most of those. Basically, if the sell through of an average portfolio is 1%, for yours it would be more like 0.2% probability. And you need over 0.4% just to break even.
 
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People from Nigeria were getting offended when Ategy said $5,000 was a life changing amount, imagine the feelings from a $30 grant. Not sure where you get your stats at $250 a month, but Salary Explorer has average salary at $1,286 a month. I think some are getting offended because you keep setting people up as desperate, poor and needy for marketing purposes. I think it's rubbing some people wrong. That's pretty clear from this thread and the other thread.

http://www.salaryexplorer.com/salary-survey.php?loc=158&loctype=1

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Domaining is just not a steady business like a job. Was just reading the other thread of somebody getting 2 big new gtld sales in 24 hours.
You will Iive long.
 
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I'm not responsible for your perception but Rob got my point.
People from Nigeria were getting offended when Ategy said $5,000 was a life changing amount, imagine the feelings from a $30 grant. Not sure where you get your stats at $250 a month, but Salary Explorer has average salary at $1,286 a month. I think some are getting offended because you keep setting people up as desperate, poor and needy for marketing purposes. I think it's rubbing some people wrong. That's pretty clear from this thread and the other thread.

http://www.salaryexplorer.com/salary-survey.php?loc=158&loctype=1

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Domaining is just not a steady business like a job. Was just reading the other thread of somebody getting 2 big new gtld sales in 24 hours.

Well, since I am inundated with job applications, I might have some perspective.

Here is the World Bank data:

https://tradingeconomics.com/nigeria/gdp-per-capita

Divide by 12 to get a monthly estimate.

Regardless of where anyone starts vis-avis compensation, if they are high impact, it should grow.

Also, I don't have a problem with people who come work for us if they also maintain domain portfolios on the side, as long as they handle themselves in an ethical way.

I expect there will be some folks who end up making more from their domain portfolio and then retire for a bit. It happened before -- a guy who used to work for us made out like a bandit on crypto domains.
 
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You have to re-consider how you choose names. The names you are choosing, a buyer can just play around at registrar suggestions and get one for $17. They are not paying high $xxx to $xxxx for most of those. Basically, if the sell through of an average portfolio is 1%, for yours it would be more like 0.2% probability. And you need over 0.4% just to break even.
Thank you for your reply. As renewals approach I intend to let most drop. However, if you saw anything that you think might be worth renewing for another year id appreciate your input.
 
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I have bigger ones, but gave that to illustrate the point about how to market brandables.

SH ,BP, and BB are great for my dear friends in Nigeria who like buying a $6 .COM and selling for $2K.

However, for swinging for the fences with great brandable names, I am not a fan of brand factories.

I think some people would be quite surprised to know that brandables routinely go for more than $100K.
Lol. I am a Nigerian and I understand your point of view about $2k sale, because when converted to our currency it is a huge money for an average Nigerian.

Domaining in this part of the country is a great advantage to many of us, especially when you are making huge sales.
I am yet to make my first 5 figure sale.

But I hope I will make such sale soon.
 
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Well I started 18 months ago and over the next 6 months my portfolio was 360. After a lot of reading on namepros and also bad feedback from members, I dropped over 200 to tidy up the portfolio a bit. Mostly dot coms now. Still never had a sale, lowball offer, enquiry or get spam. It's like they are invisible grrrrr.Anyone can see my portfolio from my signature.is there anyone else who has gone 18 months without a sale, enquiry, or even lowball offer ? I can't be the only one. Or can I ?
My 1st enduser sale happened after ~14 months since I started.
And I had just XX domains during my 1st year.
 
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Also, I don't have a problem with people who come work for us if they also maintain domain portfolios on the side, as long as they handle themselves in an ethical way.

Some people really seem to have a problem with this sort of thing .. I don't particularly .. although it depends on the position .. and of course it needs to be 100% transparent .. and as you say .. they need to be extra careful to behave in an extra ethical fashion.

People from Nigeria were getting offended when Ategy said $5,000 was a life changing amount, imagine the feelings from a $30 grant. Not sure where you get your stats at $250 a month, but Salary Explorer has average salary at $1,286 a month. I think some are getting offended because you keep setting people up as desperate, poor and needy for marketing purposes. I think it's rubbing some people wrong. That's pretty clear from this thread and the other thread.

Yeah .. I didn't mean it in a disrespectful way .. nor did I mean it in a way to isolate Nigeria .. I should have said $5000 is a life changing amount for many people around the world (including many people here in Canada).

Also .. when I did make my calculation I simply quickly used the minimum salary in Nigeria because of the high unemployment there. I actually did read some good discussion points in the previously linked Nigerian forum (it definitely wasn't all bad, and there are some very bright people there) .. namely that I was wrong in assuming that $5000 was life changing to the average Nigerian DOMAINER .. and on that point they were right .. the math I used very likely did not and does not represent the average Nigerian domainer.
 
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Some people really seem to have a problem with this sort of thing .. I don't particularly .. although it depends on the position .. and of course it needs to be 100% transparent .. and as you say .. they need to be extra careful to behave in an extra ethical fashion.



Yeah .. I didn't mean it in a disrespectful way .. nor did I mean it in a way to isolate Nigeria .. I should have said $5000 is a life changing amount for many people around the world (including many people here in Canada).

Also .. when I did make my calculation I simply quickly used the minimum salary in Nigeria because of the high unemployment there. I actually did read some good discussion points in the previously linked Nigerian forum (it definitely wasn't all bad, and there are some very bright people there) .. namely that I was wrong in assuming that $5000 was life changing to the average Nigerian DOMAINER .. and on that point they were right .. the math I used very likely did not and does not represent the average Nigerian domainer.

I know you didn't mean it in a bad way, I had to Google this stuff myself, average salary etc.

I just think the marketing is off, and people are getting offended. Just from reading that other thread and this thread alone, quotes from 3 different people:

"Why Nigerians? Must you reference us to make your point....this is getting too much "

"It still doesn't warrant the reference to Nigeria as such a style is not exclusive to Nigerians only. Stop playing this kind of game as it'll affect the love for Epik as a brand if it continues. "

I don't agree with your reply...why not chose other country to drive out your point..why Nigeria?

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I think there is a little bit of this happening.

"Africans find the "white savior" attitude to help them "deeply patronising and offensive". Zane said, "Some argue that aid can be counter-productive, as it means African countries will continue to rely on outside help"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_savior
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Just be a good registrar, good tools, etc, for everybody. Don't focus on 1 group.
 
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This thread is about Nigeria or about Q3/2019 ???
 
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Thank you for your reply. As renewals approach I intend to let most drop. However, if you saw anything that you think might be worth renewing for another year id appreciate your input.

Midas/Recruitment might be a keeper.

.co.uk is an active site. Try outbound to them. They might go for $500-$1500

Generally, for each of your names try to see if there are any companies for whom it would be an upgrade or even nice to have for a marketing campaign etc. Get in touch and try to sell even for very low $xxx. You might get some cash for the second round of buying. And you will get a feel what your potential clients think of the names you thought were great. Normally, it helps you with future buying.
 
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Uhhh :xf.sick: I see nothing wrong in his use of my country as a reference point. Your reply is unnecessary and distasteful.

It's your reply that is quite unnecessary and highly distasteful oga.
So using your country as a reference point in such example should be Celebrated abi.
 
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Lol. I am a Nigerian and I understand your point of view about $2k sale, because when converted to our currency it is a huge money for an average Nigerian.

Domaining in this part of the country is a great advantage to many of us, especially when you are making huge sales.
I am yet to make my first 5 figure sale.

But I hope I will make such sale soon.

I don't even know how to reply you, but read what you wrote again but slowly this time to understand the message you passed to the whole world about Nigeria.
Awon Oniranu gbogbo.
 
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Of course there are there other groups. I just happen to know about a particular Nigerian who is making a nice income buying hand-reg domains and selling them on SH for $2K per domain. He has a good talent for naming and he has been teaching others. I would call that a success story worth celebrating. Sorry if it offends you but seriously, I think we have to celebrate our wins.

My point here though is the Nigerian guys who are selling their brandables for $2K, might be able to sell them on their own direct landers and get a lot more. Instead, they are training people to go to SH and shop at the warehouse. I think that is a really bad idea, and think the industry would be better off if all the best inventory resolved to their own landers rather than training people to show at the discount warehouse where everyone competes on price.

Nigerians is not the only ones that’s been doing this successfully. This has been going on way before an it’s called quick flips.

I see this with volume sellers in a whole not just Nigerians, no offense.
Yes let’s celebrate 🥂🍾🍻🍼🎂!
 
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