Undeveloped.com Experience

JudgeMind · Nov 12, 2015

Has anyone used undeveloped.com to sell domains? They claim to be able to increase a domainers sales by 54%.

DAN.COM · Jul 9, 2019

frank-germany said:
@Reza

the point is this

undeveloped was running fine

-never change a winning system-

means the switch to the new system brings in a lot of variables
some of them may bring harm
you don't know yet
as it was untestable

but a new layout
is a superfluous change

and w/o testing
an unnecessary threat
to the performance

We didn't change any real elements on purpose other than the color palette. We're currently working on a complete revamp of all our pages so more heavy changes are incoming. None of the changes are not being tested though, that's not our style. What makes DAN different is that we test every single element we introduce and leave nothing to chance.

DAN.COM · Jul 9, 2019

Jurgen Wolf said:
It verifies that the nameservers inserted in the SOA, NS and where indicated MX records, are not a CNAME

Name Details Test Status
mx.mediadigitali.it. Unresolvable host mx.mediadigitali.it. FAILED

p.s. I have reported this MX issue 2 weeks ago in this thread - it was ignored.
So ask them directly...

We never ignore comments. As mentioned, I wasn't aware of us publishing any MX records. The issue you raised was true after I checked with our guys and one of our developers had introduced those records accidentally and they are removed this week.

DAN.COM · Jul 9, 2019

loredan said:
I removed my background and kept the default white one... looks good and clean imo...

The font color shouldn't have changed for when a background is added, we're fixing this today/tomorrow.

carob · Jul 9, 2019

Reza said:
Hi Carob,

The blockchain explorer only shows the last 20 transactions for transparency purposes.

So you are making public the fact that a domain has sold, the name of the domain, and a unique seller ID.

Is a unique buyer ID published?

Have you considered the implications of people scraping this data?

Have you received consent from buyer and sellers to publish this data? Have your revised your ToS to mention this?

By the way, when I mentioned publishing sales data earlier in this thread, you said that you no longer did as sellers had not liked that, and that consent would be needed from both parties to publish sales.

DAN.COM · Jul 9, 2019

domains21 said:
While doing some more testing I realised that the reason custom backgrounds are seemingly overly compressed isn't that at all. They are in fact being resized to a maximum of 500 pixels in height and then using the cover attribute to have your web browser stretch the image to the required size. Resulting in the blurry compressed look you see on larger resolution displays.

And then I came to notice that it does kind of mention this in the information tooltip where you upload your custom banner image but, I bet that hasn't stopped only myself in reading that to mean that we can use larger images as long as they don't exceed the filesize limit. As it doesn't mention that the images we use will be resized in proportion to these 1280x500 (w x h) maximum dimensions.

Examples:

A 1920x1080 image will become 750x500

I then started cropping to try and help with the quality but never realised that these were also being resized:

A 1920x800 image will become 1200x500
A 1920x600 image will become 1280x400
A 1600x500 image will become 1200x400
and so on...

---------------------

So if you want your backgrounds to retain their quality (after all they say up to 2MB maximum filesize allowed), crop your image as best you can from its original size to have 1280 pixels in width and 500 pixels in height.

...doesn't hurt to add a little blur to it either.

Feel free to share your background with the rest of the community here. It looks great on the landers!

DAN.COM · Jul 9, 2019

carob said:
So you are making public the fact that a domain has sold, the name of the domain, and a unique seller ID.

Is a unique buyer ID published?

Have you considered the implications of people scraping this data?

Have you received consent from buyer and sellers to publish this data? Have your revised your ToS to mention this?

By the way, when I mentioned publishing sales data earlier in this thread, you said that you no longer did as sellers had not liked that, and that consent would be needed from both parties to publish sales.

Hi Carob, only the domain is shown and the verification hash. Nothing else, your unique blockchain ID is stored in the blockchain but not shared with anyone.

Let me put it this way, we're sharing less information than the public WHOIS database on our ledger.

carob · Jul 9, 2019

Reza said:
Hi Carob, only the domain is shown and the verification hash. Nothing else, your unique blockchain ID is stored in the blockchain but not shared with anyone.

Let me put it this way, we're sharing less information than the public WHOIS database on our ledger.

Yes so anyone can build up a database of domains sold by one ID. And if a domain has WHOIS privacy enabled, change of ownership does not show there. So you are publishing more data than would otherwise be the case. Change of ownership itself can be significant for trademark or UDRP issues.

I repeat, have you got the consent of both buyer and seller for publishing this info?

wizard · Jul 9, 2019

ivbran said:
@Reza is this going to be changed in the future?

@Reza will this be added yes or no ?

DAN.COM · Jul 9, 2019

carob said:
Yes so anyone can build up a database of domains sold by one ID. And if a domain has WHOIS privacy enabled, change of ownership does not show there. So you are publishing more data than would otherwise be the case. Change of ownership itself can be significant for trademark or UDRP issues.

I repeat, have you got the consent of both buyer and seller for publishing this info?

I have to repeat, again, that what you're insinuating is not possible. Nobody, other than you and DAN are aware of your blockchain ID. And yes, you give consent for us to handle transactions in the manner we do accroding to our TOS.

Showing a change of ownership has occurred, also introduces no trademark or UDRP issues according to my 10+ years in the industry. Our legal advisors also have looked at what we do and how we do it. That's why the launch of DAN was delayed because we had to start from scratch halfway the project due to GDRP.

We stripped out all sensitive information and designed a completely new way of handling transactions.

I understand that change always introduces friction for existing users but we can not change anything in the market if we stick to old processes.

DAN.COM · Jul 9, 2019

youaintme said:
Undeveloped is my #1, But I wanna see it more better in the future so I recommend these two:

A way to accumulate earnings (Since my sales are in $$ range, I have to atleast accumulate it till it reach $500 for a wire transfer)

And secondly, Your own domain registrar. That's real #Automation.

Anyways, Big Up Bros.

Who would sell my names for $30 and transfer funds to my Bitcoin? None but #Dan.com!

Our own registrar is already built and will be launched in 2019

. The other proposal will also be introduced bit later down the road but some hurdles have to be overcome first.

DAN.COM · Jul 9, 2019

wizard said:
@Reza you need to add a option to know who the buyer is going blink like sedo isn't great need to have a idea who the buyer is

Hi Wizard,

I don't understand what you mean. Can you elaborate?

Kind regards,

Reza

UmerK · Jul 9, 2019

On dashboard where your leads/transactions are listed, they automatically get highlighted - hinting a message has been sent and received.

This happens when I reload the page, however in truth there's no message/update on the transaction being highlighted.

Can you look into this?

The only issue with this is that older transactions get highlighted and show above ones that are more recent.

carob · Jul 9, 2019

Reza said:
Showing a change of ownership has occurred, also introduces no trademark or UDRP issues according to my 10+ years in the industry.

A domain registered before a term was trademarked is normally secure from TM/UDRP claims. But when a change of ownership occurs, the clock starts over.

So if I buy a domain at Dan.com that a trademark holder was previously unable to claim, their trademark now pre-dates my ownership of the domain and they can proceed against me, and will know that is possible since Dan.com have published a change of ownership that could otherwise be kept private.

carob · Jul 9, 2019

Reza said:
Nobody, other than you and DAN are aware of your blockchain ID.

Do you mean to say that only the seller and systems admin can see the ID, or that others can see it, but only Dan.com systems admin and the seller know which person the ID corresponds to?

YairDD · Jul 9, 2019

carob said:
A domain registered before a term was trademarked is normally secure from TM/UDRP claims. But when a change of ownership occurs, the clock starts over.

So if I buy a domain at Dan.com that a trademark holder was previously unable to claim, their trademark now pre-dates my ownership of the domain and they can proceed against me, and will know that is possible since Dan.com have published a change of ownership that could otherwise be kept private.

Can't you also see change of ownership on Whois?

carob · Jul 9, 2019

Reza said:
And yes, you give consent for us to handle transactions in the manner we do accroding to our TOS.

Will you please be kind enough to quote the relevant section of the ToS here and explain how it gives consent to publishing of sales.

carob · Jul 9, 2019

YairDD said:
Can't you also see change of ownership on Whois?

Not if it is private or obscured for GDPR reasons.

If ownership of a domain under privacy changes, the WHOIS simply shows that an update occurred on that date. An update could also mean a DNS change or other change, so that does not indicate change of ownership.

DAN.COM · Jul 9, 2019

carob said:
A domain registered before a term was trademarked is normally secure from TM/UDRP claims. But when a change of ownership occurs, the clock starts over.

So if I buy a domain at Dan.com that a trademark holder was previously unable to claim, their trademark now pre-dates my ownership of the domain and they can proceed against me, and will know that is possible since Dan.com have published a change of ownership that could otherwise be kept private.

I think you're confusing registering with buying. I'm not a legal expert but what I've seen in UDRP's is that the initial registration of a new TM'd brand is seen as a negative.

For example with the Libra domains. Facebook announces Libra, a lot of domainers after the announcement register Libra domains and in essence show proof of their bad faith registration.

frank-germany · Jul 9, 2019

carob said:
A domain registered before a term was trademarked is normally secure from TM/UDRP claims.

not sure if that is true..

frank-germany · Jul 9, 2019

Reza said:
For example with the Libra domains. Facebook announces Libra, a lot of domainers after the announcement register Libra domains and in essence show proof of their bad faith registration.

registering a domain
even if its Libra after such an announcement
doesn't proof bad faith

as there are legitimate reasons to buy such a name
for differnent purposes other than crypto and/or selling it

DAN.COM · Jul 9, 2019

carob said:
Do you mean to say that only the seller and systems admin can see the ID, or that others can see it, but only Dan.com systems admin and the seller know which person the ID corresponds to?

Indeed, what we do on our blockchain is to assign your domains to your blockchain ID. Only you and DAN will know which blockchain ID you have. DAN currently signs all smart contracts fro you with your blockchain ID and later down the road you can decide to sign all contracts yourself if you want to.

So no buyer or any third party will ever see or know which blockchain ID you have.

On our public ledger, we do not show the blockchain ID of anyone. That's why I mentioned that the last 20 transactions we show are only there to allow the ledger to breathe transparency and allow buyers to validate directly that whatever action executed by the DAN bot is actually conducted. This way buyers don't need to trust you, me or anyone else and can validate what we said we've done on the ledger.

Imagine having a buyer that claims to not have received the payment reminder of his/her 10th installment. Due to the above setup, we can instantly grab the public hash of the reminder sent to the buyer, query the ledger and validate exactly the time stamp on which the buyer did receive the payment reminder.

The ledger leaves no room for discussion in these cases as it's an irrefutable database and 24/7 reachable domain notary.

carob · Jul 9, 2019

Reza said:
I think you're confusing registering with buying. I'm not a legal expert but what I've seen in UDRP's is that the initial registration of a new TM'd brand is seen as a negative.

What matters is the date of ownership, not the registration date. If you acquire a domain that contains an existing trademark, your ownership starts after the trademark and greatly increases your risk of losing the domain. The previous owner may have registered the domain before there was any trademark and so had a reasonably secure hold on the domain, but they can't pass that on to a new owner. Plenty of discussion of that here on NP.

Also companies stealthily acquiring domains or sets of domains for future use usually do not want names published.

domains21 · Jul 9, 2019

Reza said:
Feel free to share your background with the rest of the community here. It looks great on the landers!

Sure thing, now that the text is playing nice again.

Also created a DAN-coloured version for anyone who may want to keep a uniformed look to their pages.

Attached both the PNG and JPG versions so that you can decide between quality and speed for your pages. (PNG is high quality but a larger filesize whereas JPG isn't as sharp but is a lot smaller in filesize)

Embrand · Jul 9, 2019

That looks great! Thanks.

DNGear · Jul 9, 2019

Which nameservers should we use @Reza?

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