What's up with all the lack of aftermarket UPDATES/INNOVATION in our Industry?

Sedo said:

These SedoMLS partner registrars offer what you're asking for:

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That's excellent innovation. Any plan to expand to other registrars such as Namesilo?

Sedo said:

Hey there, and thanks for the frank feedback everyone. It is true that especially in 2018 we lacked in innovations. The main reason for this was our data center move that we performed. I took a lot of time and effort and blocked other features. It was an important project though, since now we're able to move forward much quicker than before, and create features for our clients on a flexible and up-to-date technology basis.

I understand you're more talking about new features, and not about pricing or inventory, but allow us to recap what has been done in 2019 so far.

• We have waived the minimum commissions, so sellers can earn more revenue than before.
• We are constantly a/b testing our search and overall website. Just recently we tried out a new homepage with a different search bar placement, to find out if this results in more search queries for your domains.
• In our search, we removed the link to the offer details page and show a layer with the domain specifics instead. This is good for sellers, because the buyers won't be moving away from the search page like they did when clicking through to the the domain details page. That means users a more likely to see more of your domains that they could be interested in. In the end, your domains get longer and more exposure.
• We expanded our SedoMLS network and have new partners like Alibaba, or Xinnet, which is the second largest registrar in China, so your domains get more exposure.
• New users are now automatically standard certified, so they don't have another hurdle before they can start bidding on your domains.
• We launched expiringdomains.sedo.com. That might not sound too enticing for you as a seller right now, but on that site you can see that we display metrics that we don't show on our regular search page. We will evaluate what works best there and adapt more metrics to the Sedo search eventually.

We are working on a lot of more projects currently, but all I can say right now is that "Sedo doesn't offer a sales lander" shouldn't be an issue anymore by the end of the year, latest I know we promised to have this feature available before, but we weren't able to keep it. And for that we are sorry. But we're very confident that this time around we're on track with this feature.

Question from our side: Which landing page is not optimized for mobile devices? Can you tell us which one you're referring to? The parking pages are optimized for parking revenue. They might not look fancy, but they are optimized for ad clicks, not for sales, which works well (Also a/b tested continuously).
The domain detail pages are responsive, and the Sedo home page is responsive, too (before the log in).

Let us know what else you'd like to see at Sedo, and where do you think we should improve. Thanks again for the feedback, and talk to you soon.

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We absolutely need for-sale lander with no PPC links being displayed.

a pig with lipstick, is still a pig

perfume on is still

quality sells, regardless of page design.

imo...

xynames said:

Innovation doesn’t seem to translate to traffic. UNDeveloped marketplace remains deader than dead.

You guys who are sticking to UNDeveloped if you’re selling are selling only because of your own domains. Stop using UNDeveloped’s landing pages, instead upload your domains to their marketplace, and your UNDeveloped sales will drop to zero. You could use your own landing pages and you’d get exactly the same results as far visibility / exposure to buyers without paying 9% to UNDeveloped.

Bottom line is that whether innovating or not - Afternic Sedo and DomainAgents have actual potential buyers - lots of them - scouring their marketplaces. UNDeveloped - not so much.

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What's your opinion on uniregistry's marketplace? without the use of landers...

Sedo said:

It is true that especially in 2018 we lacked in innovations.

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Does Sedo realize that the marketplace may die and soon, without the following being fixed ASAP -

1. Adblocking visitors of parked domains do receive empty page without any forsale signs. About 40%-50% of potential buyers (1 visitor = 1 potential buyer) are currently lost if the domain is parked at Sedo. Simply because 40%-50% of surfers are using some sort of adblock.

2. Pure forsale landers for domains without noticeable parking income is a must thing.

As for parked domains (I have some which are not for sale, simply because of traffic) - the sedo removed a lot of good parking landers and did not replace them with anything. Why is this?

The last but not the least. Thank you for adding ownership verification, as it is finally impossible to add domains randomly. But, for god's sake, please apply the same rules to all, including bulk api customers like hugedomains. Why I have to add the same domain 1-2 times each months? I added the domain which I own. HugeDomains does not know what they own, and they are still able to add my domain to their Sedo account because they think it is theirs. Sedo instantly approves it, without any verification. I then re-add it again, with proper DNS txt record. Sedo instantly approves it, because txt record is correct. Etc, etc.

Rory Ivey said:

What's your opinion on uniregistry's marketplace? without the use of landers...

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Since September 2017, I have listed my domains, all of them, approximately 1500, at UNDeveloped. During this same period of time I have listed all of my same domains at Afternic DomainAgents Sedo DynaDot Flippa Uniregistry marketplaces.

Coming up on the two year mark, I have sold a LOT of domains via Afternic DomainAgents Sedo, and received MANY price inquiries and MANY offers. I have also received MANY inquiries, MANY offers and some sales at DynaDot. I haven't sold much at Flippa and Uniregistry, but I do occasionally receive offers.

At UNDeveloped, the exact same domains have received during this nearly two year period only one joke of a hundred Euro offer, about a year ago, for a domain worth 150 times more than that.

The data, given that I have listed the EXACT same domains, during the EXACT same time period, in all of these different marketplaces, mean that Afternic DomainAgents Sedo DynaDot have the highest amount of buyers searching looking to buy in their marketplaces.

Below these would be Flippa and Uniregistry where I have received some sales and some offers.

At the very bottom is UNDeveloped marketplace, with zero sales and only one offer.

Based on my data their effectiveness as marketplaces would be more or less in this order, with Afternic at top and UNDeveloped at bottom:

Afternic
DomainAgents / Sedo (Lately Sedo is doing better, before DomainAgents was doing better)
DynaDot (available only if your domains are registered there, as all of mine are)
Flippa
Uniregistry
UNDeveloped


As long as they are all free marketplaces, and non-exclusive, I don't see the downside in listing in all of them. (Keep in mind though that you must have your domains registered at DynaDot to be in their marketplace, and all of my domains are registered at DynaDot.) But the results speak for themselves as far as which have more buyer traffic.


I use my own landing pages with my own FormMail.php submission form on them. I receive almost daily inquiries (at a minimum a few weekly) and steady sales via my own landing pages too.

xynames said:

Since September 2017, I have listed my domains, all of them, approximately 1500, at UNDeveloped. During this same period of time I have listed all of my same domains at Afternic DomainAgents Sedo Flippa Uniregistry.

Coming up on the two year mark, I have sold a LOT of domains via Afternic DomainAgents Sedo, and received MANY inquiries and MANY offers. I haven't sold much at Flippa and Uniregistry, but I do occasionally receive offers.

At UNDeveloped, the exact same domains have received during this nearly two year period only one joke of a hundred Euro offer, about a year ago, for a domain worth 150 times more than that.

The data, given that I have listed the EXACT same domains, during the EXACT same time period, in all of these different marketplaces, means that Afternic DomainAgents Sedo have the highest amount of buyers searching looking to buy in their marketplaces.

Below these would be Flippa and Uniregistry where I have received some sales and some offers.

At the very bottom is UNDeveloped marketplace, with zero sales and only one offer.

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Wow, felt like i was reading a well put together case study. Thank you.
I almost forgot about domain agents... i didn't know they had their own marketplace. I thought they were just brokers.So you can list their without using their landers?

I used to love sedo when i first started, but not anymore. I have the same experience with uniregistry and undeveloped. Do you list names with a buy now price at domainagents or just leave it for make offer?

I'm really looking for marketplaces that have buyers nut don't over expose my names. Afternic is great but they over-expose my names. It can bring sales but i really don't want my names showing everywhere.


I use my own landing pages with my own FormMail.php submission form on them. I receive almost daily inquiries (at a minimum a few weekly) and steady sales via my own landing pages too.

BTW the upload date to UNDeveloped was November 2017, not September 2017.

Yes all of these allow non-exclusive listings: Afternic DomainAgents Sedo DynaDot Flippa Uniregistry UNDeveloped. So as I mentioned above, there is no downside to listing in all of them.

Based on my data their effectiveness as marketplaces would be more or less in this order, with Afternic at top and UNDeveloped at bottom:

Afternic
DomainAgents / Sedo (Lately Sedo is doing better, before DomainAgents was doing better)
DynaDot (available only if your domains are registered there, as all of mine are)
Flippa
Uniregistry
UNDeveloped

You asked about BIN prices - I am careful to set a BIN on a given domain at one marketplace only at a time, to avoid the issue of the domain selling simultaneously at more than one place. Generally, I place this BIN at Afternic, because it has the highest traffic and highest sales throughput.

I went ahead and created a new thread on this research in the domain marketplace review section
https://www.namepros.com/threads/my...uniregistry-undeveloped-marketplaces.1141640/

tonyk2000 said:

The last but not the least. Thank you for adding ownership verification, as it is finally impossible to add domains randomly. But, for god's sake, please apply the same rules to all, including bulk api customers like hugedomains. Why I have to add the same domain 1-2 times each months? I added the domain which I own. HugeDomains does not know what they own, and they are still able to add my domain to their Sedo account because they think it is theirs. Sedo instantly approves it, without any verification. I then re-add it again, with proper DNS txt record. Sedo instantly approves it, because txt record is correct. Etc, etc.

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This is my big problem with Sedo, as they have a pile of "preferred customers" who can bypass all rules and regulations, and effectively steal your Sedo listings without any verification, then you need to re-add them over and over.

An even bigger problem for me, is after listing a domain at Sedo, I set up a landing page and the TXT references are no longer visible in that DNS format, and I need to make a server change in order to re-verify.

Sometimes frank feedback is the only thing that gets attention and brings change these days, unfortunately.

Only thing I want (for myself, for everyone) is for the big boys in our industry to continue move forward/get better with time, not standing stagnant while collecting commissions off of domains that can sell themselves anywhere they're posted.

And as I mentioned, I will give credit where it's due and I forgot to acknowledge that GoDaddy seems to be doing something lately with the new dashboard/afternic integration. So thank you @ GoDaddy for that. And Thanks @ Sedo for trying to get more activity going with taking away the $60 minimum, even for a short period of time.

biggie said:

a pig with lipstick, is still a pig

perfume on is still

quality sells, regardless of page design.

imo...

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The Brandable-niche marketplaces have proven through the years that presentation counts (a lot) when not selling super premium domains, and when landers/dashboards haven't been updated in years yet commissions/sales keep rolling in from the premium stuff, the stuff that's selling itself and could've been sold anywhere, yet neglecting to evolve and put in better efforts to showcase and display the OK/brandable names in a better light, it can be upsetting.

tomcarl said:

Sometimes frank feedback is the only thing that gets attention and brings change these days, unfortunately.

Only thing I want (for myself, for everyone) is for the big boys in our industry to continue move forward/get better with time, not standing stagnant while collecting commissions off of domains that can sell themselves anywhere they're posted.

And as I mentioned, I will give credit where it's due and I forgot to acknowledge that GoDaddy seems to be doing something lately with the new dashboard/afternic integration. So thank you @ GoDaddy for that. And Thanks @ Sedo for trying to get more activity going with taking away the $60 minimum, even for a short period of time.



The Brandable-niche marketplaces have proven through the years that presentation counts (a lot) when not selling super premium domains, and when landers/dashboards haven't been updated in years yet commissions/sales keep rolling in from the premium stuff, the stuff that's selling itself and could've been sold anywhere, yet neglecting to evolve and put in better efforts to showcase and display the OK/brandable names in a better light, it can be upsetting.

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Where can i view this godaddy/afternic integration.....?

Should be available to see in your GD dashboard, but it's in beta so I don't know if it's available to everyone yet.

kriss05 said:

We absolutely need for-sale lander with no PPC links being displayed.

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Sedo actually has pretty good for-sale page, which can be reached at URL like

https://sedo.com/search/details/?domain=mydomain.com

When I try domains I am interested in, I often see other other sellers using URL forwarding to such page. The issue here is that it is quite unjust to the sellers, as Sedo commission for these page is on the level of marketplace sales (15%), while it should be 10% as people essentially "bring their own buyers". Sedo's parking pages, which "should" be used to have 10% rate are so ugly and horrible that people opt out of using them, as more and more sellers understand they nothing but hurt sales.

@Sedo , could we have the ability to use these pages when parking, with 10% rate?

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You could use your own landing pages and you’d get exactly the same results as far visibility / exposure to buyers without paying 9% to UNDeveloped.

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While I agree with you that Undeveloped as marketplace is unlikely to bring significant exposure, what alternative do we have to the Undeveloped landers? From about 5k downwards, using Escrow.com concierge is not much cheaper or may even get more expensive than Undeveloped's 9% with all the wire fees etc. And if we take into account that Undeveloped is much more user friendly for the buyers – they can specify the installment duration etc., the choice becomes even more in favor of the latter.

Most domainers don't have the developers skill to use Escrow.com's API (which is great!) on their own landers to achieve the same degree of user-friendliness for starting the transaction. And there is also live chat and other advantages.

There is one alternative I've learnt about recently, Epik's zero percent escrow, their landers as well offer buyers the option to choose installment plan etc., but I have yet to try this. And as a small fry domainer, I am very much in love with the discounted first year registrations, so even if I choose to move my long-term inventory to Epik, I'll still prefer to use Undeveloped for my first-year domains.

escrow.com is around 3%. Plus at least with escrow.com you have the option to make buyer pay these. No such option at UNDeveloped, correct? With my own sales, of which there have been many, one time buyer and I split the escrow.com fees, rest of time buyer has paid the fees, always, always.

UNDeveloped is basically for newbies who don't know better. I mean think about it, why would I pay 9% to a co. that provides nothing but a landing page and an escrow service, when I may pay ZERO percent to escrow.com and have my buyer pay the 3% escrow. That is a 12% swing against me for choosing UNDeveloped.

I did discuss the Epik free escrow here at length, there are a series of buyer unfriendly hurdles to overcome, but if you may get past these, yes, it is free:
https://www.namepros.com/threads/if...-wasting-time-and-money.1119508/#post-7076570

@Sedo

My one and only complaint with Sedo is it's outdated Landers.

They do not in anyway really push the fact that this domain is For Sale.
The Buy This Domain link is so small and off to the side that it can really be easy for a potential buyer to only see the all the ads and not see the offer link and just move on and we could lose a potential sale.

Their emphasis with these landers are still on Ads, how much do they actually make with these ads?
Is it really enough to sacrifice domain sales?

They should get rid of the ads and Only focus on Domain Sales.
The lander should be the Offer Page.
Its almost the year 2020 and Sedo's landers are still stuck in the early 2000s

Other then that, Sedo's service and Escrow are top notch...imho.

Most of my domains I have recently switched to my own landers using Domain Market Pro.
Anyone else using Domain Market Pro with any luck?

@tomcarl, thanks for starting this thread.

Have you tried Domain Market Pro (DMP)?

It is the culmination of over 15 years of building exclusive domain marketplaces and portfolio sites. I believe that DMP has some of the most innovative features for domain investors/sellers not available elsewhere.

For starters, it allows domainers to build professional domain marketplaces right out-of-the-box and to monetize their domains in ways that would otherwise be out of reach for the majority.

You can offer domains for sale at make an offer, or BIN or lease or monthly payment schedule.

Customization tools allow you to create a unique domain sales brand, with unique sales messaging. This includes the capability to highly customize sales pages.

If you prefer, you can use an assortment of domain landing pages.

The platform also allows you to manage multiple marketplaces from a single interface with one login. So, for example, you can manage your main marketplace and also niche industry marketplaces.

There is a built-in CMS feature that allows you to create unlimited pages, blog and/or news posts.

Whether you have developed assets that you want to promote or want to make revenue from PPC ads, the advertising functionality will allow you to do both.

Preset theme designs will get you started right away or you can use them as the foundation for your own custom brand.

You can also sell others' domains using the Seller Panel option.

Plus there are many other features, such as DNS forwarding, free SSL, domain stats, SEO, Social Media, CSV updating, etc.

Please feel free to reach out to me here and check out more info on our sites:

https://blog.domainmarketpro.com/

https://domainmarketpro.com/

We will soon be launching our umbrella company, DomLogix, that will wholly focus on domain seller solutions, of which DMP is the flagship service.

xynames said:

escrow.com is around 3%. Plus at least with escrow.com you have the option to make buyer pay these. No such option at UNDeveloped, correct? With my own sales, of which there have been many, one time buyer and I split the escrow.com fees, rest of time buyer has paid the fees, always, always.

UNDeveloped is basically for newbies who don't know better. I mean think about it, why would I pay 9% to a co. that provides nothing but a landing page and an escrow service, when I may pay ZERO percent to escrow.com and have my buyer pay the 3% escrow. That is a 12% swing against me for choosing UNDeveloped.

I did discuss the Epik free escrow here at length, there are a series of buyer unfriendly hurdles to overcome, but if you may get past these, yes, it is free:
https://www.namepros.com/threads/if...-wasting-time-and-money.1119508/#post-7076570

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Undeveloped 9% buy now commission covers payment collection, domain transfer, customer support, and post-customer support, so it makes no sense to single them out for that when everyone else has higher fees even if the sale came through direct type-in.

Undeveloped support has consistently proven themselves to go the extra mile within reason whenever there has been the slightest issue, their escrow is faster than anyone else and I've used them all, and their domain/payment turnover speed is same/following business day. And my feedback is based on several transactions/experiences.

This thread is not about UNDeveloped - it is about comparing the various marketplaces. UNDeveloped happens to be one of the marketplaces, so we discuss it.

As far as using UNDeveloped, I'd love to use them - but their marketplace where all my domains are listed is so dead that nothing sells there. So I've given them the opportunity to sell my domains, but apparently no buyers are roaming their marketplace compared to the other marketplaces, where I have sold and continue to sell a good number of domains.

I actually had mentioned in passing in the past about how UNDeveloped doesn't allow the seller to have buyer pay escrow fees. If they wish to be innovative, that option must be implemented. I mean, who cares about all this ease with which buyer is able make a payment if (1) the only reason buyer arrived at your domain has to do with the name, and nothing to do with UNDeveloped, and (2) you, the seller, unilaterally get stuck with paying the 9%. You, the seller are Paying for all this innovation with no option to shift even a little bit of the burden to the buyer!

It's really stark when you think about - paying ZERO to escrow.com because you may have buyer pay all fees, versus paying 9% to UNDeveloped, that is a 12% swing. That's huge.

If UNDeveloped implements this option, to allow buyer to pay some or all of the fees, I'd like to get my royalty check in the mail. Straight from Amsterdam. Or I'll fly over and visit the Netherlands again and pick it up in person from Reza.

@TCK No, I haven't. I'll have to check it out. Thanks

xynames said:

I mean think about it, why would I pay 9% to a co. that provides nothing but a landing page and an escrow service, when I may pay ZERO percent to escrow.com and have my buyer pay the 3% escrow. That is a 12% swing against me for choosing UNDeveloped.

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Thats some weird math

I personally believe that it is not buyer-friendly to have commissions appear after the transaction begins. Buyer should see the price that will have to be paid from the start. Its the same with incoming requests (email/contact form) – I quote the price with escrow service included (and state so). Some people may even be going into debt when purchasing your domains, so even $100 of sudden extra could be a pain, not mentioning that it simply sucks.

So no matter which platform is being used, fees are included in the price. If I want to get 1K from a domain, I'll have it listed at 1.1K on Undeveloped. Its not me who'll have to pay fees, its the buyer.

xynames said:

You, the seller are Paying for all this innovation with no option to shift even a little bit of the burden to the buyer!

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No, why? I totally fail to understand your reasons of seeing things this way. Why can't you adjust the listing price to your desired payout value like I do?

Bernard Wright said:

This might be an unpopular opinion, but there’s something about Afternic’s design that seems trustworthy to me. Perhaps it’s the green color, but what I attribute it most to is the “dated” feel of the design, ironically enough.

I actually just recently deleted my portfolio at Afternic because I don’t really care for their service. I’ve had my account for only a short period of time but even in that short period, I’ve been unimpresssed. So I’m going to use my own landers and Epik, where I’ve been more impressed by the service.

But again, to Afternic’s credit, something about the layout says “we’re established” and therefore “we’re trustworthy”.

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You need afternic because listings there appear in GD, and other registrar searches. Get your afternic back

Don Gondon said:

Why can't you adjust the listing price to your desired payout value like I do?

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Okay so your theory is pass along the 9% that UNDeveloped charges by raising the price on your domain to absorb this fee. That still doesn't change the fact that UNDeveloped charges 9% for nothing more than a landing page and escrow.

But, let's indulge the argument.

When a buyer buys something such as a domain or a refrigerator or pair of shoes he looks at the price foremost. The price that is in front of his face, that he sees. Tax shipping add on costs are an afterthought and not primary considerations, especially if these are only a few percent of the total price.

But, to follow up with your proposal that you add on to the domain price to pass along the UNDevelop fees to buyer, if you add on 10% to your domain price to justify and compensate for that 9% that goes out the window to UNDeveloped your domain just looks 10% more expensive to your buyer. And 10% is not an afterthought, it is a real world increase in the price of your domain. It is a two digit percentage increase in price. It could ruin the deal if you are bent on always getting it out of the buyer.

What I mean by adding 10% to recoup the UNDeveloped 9% is...let's say your domain is 1000. You want a net 1000. If it sells at UNDeveloped, you must pay $90. in fees. In order to recoup this $90. you must raise the price of your domain to $1099. (and then you net 1000.09) which is basically 10% higher. And you're forcing this 10% higher price to the forefront, right in the buyer's face from the getgo.

And if buyer evaluated your domain to be worth only a certain amount or his budget is only a certain amount, that 10% tack on you’re adding on there to make up for UNDevelop’s exorbitant fee might end up being a deal breaker.

On the other hand...going the escrow.com route...if after all is said and done (or better yet...saying this sooner rather than later) you explain to buyer that you need “net whatever” to close the deal it really becomes an after thought to buyer that he must pay 3% to escrow.com which after all is only 3% not the 10% extra you are trying to get him to absorb.

My average sales ticket on domains is $2000. I also somewhat regularly sell domains for five figures. For me to pass along this 9% at UNDeveloped, I'd need to sell every $2000 domain of mine for about $2200. That's not an insignificant price increase. I've had buyers walk over a counter offer just 150 higher than their last offer. And for a $20000. domain, I'd have to raise the price to almost $22000., again, a potential show stopper, just to compensate for this UNDeveloped 9% fee.

But, for each of these sales, emphasizing that I need "net $2000." or "net $20000." and buyer then having to shell out a mere 3% to escrow.com doesn't jeopardize the transaction.

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In a way it comes back to what I mentioned about how UNDeveloped is for newbies. It doesn't take much skill at negotiation to convince a buyer to pay 3% escrow fees, but it does take some interaction. If you don't want to talk to buyers about transaction costs, don't want to spend a tiny bit of initial time to create your own landing page, then go ahead and pay 9% to UNDeveloped.

But rather than paying 9%, I'd rather just pay 20% to Afternic and have them make sure the sale happens, and at a generally higher price, in that they get on the horn and talk to buyers, not just a few emails. Or get on the horn or via email myself, and pay zero.

xynames said:

Okay so your theory is pass along the 9% that UNDeveloped charges by raising the price on your domain to absorb this fee. That still doesn't change the fact that UNDeveloped charges 9% for nothing more than a landing page and escrow.

But, let's indulge the argument.

When a buyer buys something such as a domain or a refrigerator or pair of shoes he looks at the price foremost. The price that is in front of his face, that he sees. Tax shipping add on costs are an afterthought and not primary considerations, especially if these are only a few percent of the total price.

But, to follow up with your proposal that you add on to the domain price to pass along the UNDevelop fees to buyer, if you add on 10% to your domain price to justify and compensate for that 9% that goes out the window to UNDeveloped your domain just looks 10% more expensive to your buyer. And 10% is not an afterthought, it is a real world increase in the price of your domain. It is a two digit percentage increase in price. It could ruin the deal if you are bent on always getting it out of the buyer.

What I mean by adding 10% to recoup the UNDeveloped 9% is...let's say your domain is 1000. You want a net 1000. If it sells at UNDeveloped, you must pay $90. in fees. In order to recoup this $90. you must raise the price of your domain to $1099. (and then you net 1000.09) which is basically 10% higher. And you're forcing this 10% higher price to the forefront, right in the buyer's face from the getgo.

And if buyer evaluated your domain to be worth only a certain amount or his budget is only a certain amount, that 10% tack on you’re adding on there to make up for UNDevelop’s exorbitant fee might end up being a deal breaker.

On the other hand...going the escrow.com route...if after all is said and done (or better yet...saying this sooner rather than later) you explain to buyer that you need “net whatever” to close the deal it really becomes an after thought to buyer that he must pay 3% to escrow.com which after all is only 3% not the 10% extra you are trying to get him to absorb.

My average sales ticket on domains is $2000. I also somewhat regularly sell domains for five figures. For me to pass along this 9% at UNDeveloped, I'd need to sell every $2000 domain of mine for about $2200. That's not an insignificant price increase. I've had buyers walk over a counter offer just 150 higher than their last offer. And for a $20000. domain, I'd have to raise the price to almost $22000., again, a potential show stopper, just to compensate for this UNDeveloped 9% fee.

But, for each of these sales, emphasizing that I need "net $2000." or "net $20000." and buyer then having to shell out a mere 3% to escrow.com doesn't jeopardize the transaction.

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In a way it comes back to what I mentioned about how UNDeveloped is for newbies. It doesn't take much skill at negotiation to convince a buyer to pay 3% escrow fees, but it does take some interaction. If you don't want to talk to buyers about transaction costs, don't want to spend a tiny bit of initial time to create your own landing page, then go ahead and pay 9% to UNDeveloped.

But rather than paying 9%, I'd rather just pay 20% to Afternic and have them make sure the sale happens, and at a higher price, in that they get on the horn and talk to buyers, not just a few emails. Or get on the horn or via email myself, and pay zero.

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It doesn't matter if its Undeveloped, Sedo, Godaddy, Escrow.com or anyone else. There is going to be fees and yes you should always adjust your price to Try and recoup the fees if you can.

If you want $1000 then set it for $1095 and so on. Remember even your normal price of $1000 can still scare a buyer away regardless of fees so dont be afraid to ask for more to recoup fees.

Always figure your bottom line price for that domain then add enough for fees (if Buy Now) and add even more for negotiations (if its a Make Offer)

If you start at your bottom line price and you have to pay fees out of that then that is your own fault.

Always try your best to pass the fees along if you can.

The best marketplace is Uni but I have sold zero names with them lol.