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Hello, I think it would be pretty useful to keep track of all LLLL.com sales , even the little ones under $100 so that , pretty soon , when the available LLLL.com will be finished , we`ll have a better idea on market prices.

It is important that these sales are confirmed. So before to post, make sure payment went OK.

I will start with todays` Sedo confirmed sales:

FISE.com 2,700 Euros
TSRT.com US $760
VEUP.com US $1,700


Also, I found interesting to see this average LLLL, getting bids up to $51 and reserve not me. It says it all.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...110154111735_W0QQ_trksidZm37QQfromZR40QQfviZ1
 
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The only offers I have been getting recently for my 4Ls (especially ZMBY) are from China and they never want to pay more than $150.

Yeah I have had an uptick in that as well, but for only one name, SYBS.com which I usually get North American inquiries, but the last month the Chinese have been emailing everyday, I thought maybe a company over there or some pop culture reference got hot. The weird thing is a bunch keep asking me how much? When some are coming through Epik and it's priced there, so probably just stupid games by them.
 
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Anyone buying random LLLL.com's?
 
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Anyone buying random LLLL.com's?

There are lots of random LLLLs that shouldn't have any value as an investment. Some already sell at $xx. Even if we might not see them ending in drops, lots of them should.
 
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There are lots of random LLLLs that shouldn't have any value as an investment. Some already sell at $xx. Even if we might not see them ending in drops, lots of them should.

I disagree. I think high $xx to low $xxx is about right for random 4Ls and I see floor prices increasing over the next few years. xkcd.com makes a good case for meaningless 4Ls. How many people know KPMG stands for Klynveld Peat Marwick Goerdeler? It may as well just be random letters.
 
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There are lots of random LLLLs that shouldn't have any value as an investment. Some already sell at $xx. Even if we might not see them ending in drops, lots of them should.

LLLL.com will replace gold and Cryptos one day :happy::-P

In my country , Cryptos not allowed , buying gold ( need a secure place )

Liquid domains are the best
 
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I disagree. I think high $xx to low $xxx is about right for random 4Ls and I see floor prices increasing over the next few years. xkcd.com makes a good case for meaningless 4Ls. How many people know KPMG stands for Klynveld Peat Marwick Goerdeler? It may as well just be random letters.

XKCD is not a random, it is a decent one.

And KPMG is a really good one and would have found a home even without the big 4 firm.

Names, like N/P/Q/V, for example, probably have zero current potential users and probably won't have any for many years to come.

Instead of spending high xx, low xxx on a name like that, you'd be better off buying a nice brandable for $8-20 from expired or closeouts and with 1-2% chance of selling at $1500-3000.
 
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I bought this one fore $156, can you see any value in it?

ITUV.com
 
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I bought this one fore $156, can you see any value in it?

ITUV.com

I dropped out at earlier rounds, I guess ) It is a good name, but still will be a hard sell, imo. No clear end users. It starts with IT, so that is good. But it is one of those names that would sell better at a brandable market with logo and presentation.
 
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Can someone help me better understand premium western CVCV patterns?

I’d like to invest in a couple of CVCVs for long term holding, but I worry that
a) I may buy some worthless shit for mid-high X,XXX range
b) I won't be able to sell them at fair wholesale prices if I decide to liquidate

I understand that O-E and O-A vowel combo (e.g. MOBE, COHE, DOHA, SOLA, etc.), as well as repeated vowels (e.g. BADA, MOHO, SESE, DEGE, etc), seem to fetch highest sales.

With that said, what do you guys think are the fair market prices for the following sample domains (please ignore possible meaning if any):

MOBE, COHE, DOTA, SOLA
BADA, MOHO, SESE, DEGE

Is it fair to say that acquiring something like this for around 5-7K would be a good deal? What about $10,000?

There are not so many comps available in this category to understand the current liquid value of such domains. Plus, I'm totally confused because of the sales like these:

hese.com, $5,600
nege.com, $4,600
bopo.com, $10,000
soca.com, $10,000
soga.com, $20,000

All domains seem to share the same characteristics: CVCV, pronounceable, western letters, sold this year, reseller prices (NJ and GD). OK, some may have more potential end-users on LinkedIn and are occupied in more extensions, but still - all seem to be very similar. So why such a huge difference in prices?
 
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Can someone help me better understand premium western CVCV patterns?

I’d like to invest in a couple of CVCVs for long term holding, but I worry that
a) I may buy some worthless sh*t for mid-high X,XXX range
b) I won't be able to sell them at fair wholesale prices if I decide to liquidate

I understand that O-E and O-A vowel combo (e.g. MOBE, COHE, DOHA, SOLA, etc.), as well as repeated vowels (e.g. BADA, MOHO, SESE, DEGE, etc), seem to fetch highest sales.

With that said, what do you guys think are the fair market prices for the following sample domains (please ignore possible meaning if any):

MOBE, COHE, DOTA, SOLA
BADA, MOHO, SESE, DEGE

Is it fair to say that acquiring something like this for around 5-7K would be a good deal? What about $10,000?

There are not so many comps available in this category to understand the current liquid value of such domains. Plus, I'm totally confused because of the sales like these:

hese.com, $5,600
nege.com, $4,600
bopo.com, $10,000
soca.com, $10,000
soga.com, $20,000

All domains seem to share the same characteristics: CVCV, pronounceable, western letters, sold this year, reseller prices (NJ and GD). OK, some may have more potential end-users on LinkedIn and are occupied in more extensions, but still - all seem to be very similar. So why such a huge difference in prices?

CVCV is desireable

with some C's less worthy
like

V
W
J
Y
X

a meaningful cvcv .com
can get as high as the company can afford
some may not be worth $1500 USD

so it highly depends on the name and the buyers pockets
 
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CVCV is desireable

with some C's less worthy
like

V
W
J
Y
X

a meaningful cvcv .com
can get as high as the company can afford
some may not be worth $1500 USD

so it highly depends on the name and the buyers pockets

Thanks, Frank. I appreciate your input.

Those are the well known basics. It would help if you could re-read my post and answer the specific questions I raised. I know about Western letters, and which of those are premiums.

My questions are slightly different. I want to buy a top CVCV and need some help to identify it properly. I don't want to pay 15K for something that costs 5K (and both can follow same premium CVCV pattern).
 
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Thanks, Frank. I appreciate your input.

Those are the well known basics. It would help if you could re-read my post and answer the specific questions I raised. I know about Western letters, and which of those are premiums.

My questions are slightly different. I want to buy a top CVCV and need some help to identify it properly. I don't want to pay 15K for something that costs 5K (and both can follow same premium CVCV pattern).

my ranking would be

great:
MOBE
DOTA
SOLA

decent:
DEGE
BADA
SESE

ok:
COHE
MOHO


speak them loud
the better they sound
the easier for the tongue
the better
 
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my ranking would be

great:
MOBE
DOTA
SOLA

decent:
DEGE
BADA
SESE

ok:
COHE
MOHO


speak them loud
the better they sound
the easier for the tongue
the better

Why does BADA not qualified for your "great" list? It sounds pretty much the same as SOLA and DOTA, especially like the latter one since SOLA is more soft. What am I missing?

Thanks
 
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Why does BADA not qualified for your "great" list? It sounds pretty much the same as SOLA and DOTA, especially like the latter one since SOLA is more soft. What am I missing?

Thanks

just my 2 cents

it's not a science
more like an art

but things may change
when you have a buyer

then it depends on the buyer
and his buying power
and your negotiation skills
 
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you may be interested in this book

Start with NO...
The Negotiating Tools that the Pros Don't Want You to Know
by Jim Camp (Author)
 
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All domains seem to share the same characteristics: CVCV, pronounceable, western letters, sold this year, reseller prices (NJ and GD). OK, some may have more potential end-users on LinkedIn and are occupied in more extensions, but still - all seem to be very similar. So why such a huge difference in prices?

Different markets, different sellers who want a certain price, different buyers willing to pay a certain price, etc..

MOBE DOTA SOLA BADA are great names and could be dropped into any start up that does anything. For such versatile domains, they can command a huge premium. Meanwhile, some CVCV are not so lucky and would be worth less. In your example, MOHO, while is CVCV it sounds likes like "more ho" and ho comes from "whore" so wouldn't be as attractive to most businesses. Still that is a better domain than most CVCV.
 
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SOLA stands for the the feminine form of "alone" in spanish.
SESE is a chinese pinyin term and has some meanings. Check out https://chinese.yabla.com/chinese-english-pinyin-dictionary.php?define=sese (I don't speak chinese)

Besides CVCV patterns, premium consonants, buyers and negotiation skills, meaning factor is also important. Chinese gave us all a lesson of value in the last 3 years. Always check for alternative non english meanings, not only for positive but also for negative reasons.
 
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you may be interested in this book

Start with NO...
The Negotiating Tools that the Pros Don't Want You to Know
by Jim Camp (Author)

Thanks. I’m aware of this book, and I’m a big fan of another one:

The Secrets of Power Negotiating by Roger Dawson
.

I bought it from Audible a while ago and listened few times already. Great one.

I understand my posts sound like I’m a newbie, but I’m actually not :xf.smile: I completed slightly over 100K+ in sales with net profit of 60K during last couple of years. But my focus has always been one word .orgs and two word .coms.

I’d like to shift my focus to some liquid domains. 3L’s are expensive. So I thought that CVCV’s may be a better alternative to me.

Once again, my questions are about acquisitions. I understand the sales part.
 
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Different markets, different sellers who want a certain price, different buyers willing to pay a certain price, etc..

MOBE DOTA SOLA BADA are great names and could be dropped into any start up that does anything. For such versatile domains, they can command a huge premium. Meanwhile, some CVCV are not so lucky and would be worth less. In your example, MOHO, while is CVCV it sounds likes like "more ho" and ho comes from "whore" so wouldn't be as attractive to most businesses. Still that is a better domain than most CVCV.

Thanks! That’s exactly what I wanted to know. And I can see that being a non-native speaker I can easily make some mistakes along the way.

How much would you think is a fair liquid price for domains like these?
 
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SOLA stands for the the feminine form of "alone" in spanish.
SESE is a chinese pinyin term and has some meanings. Check out https://chinese.yabla.com/chinese-english-pinyin-dictionary.php?define=sese (I don't speak chinese)

Besides CVCV patterns, premium consonants, buyers and negotiation skills, meaning factor is also important. Chinese gave us all a lesson of value in the last 3 years. Always check for alternative non english meanings, not only for positive but also for negative reasons.

Great point, thanks!
 
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Thanks. I’m aware of this book, and I’m a big fan of another one:

The Secrets of Power Negotiating by Roger Dawson
.

I bought it from Audible a while ago and listened few times already. Great one.

I understand my posts sound like I’m a newbie, but I’m actually not :xf.smile: I completed slightly over 100K+ in sales with net profit of 60K during last couple of years. But my focus has always been one word .orgs and two word .coms.

I’d like to shift my focus to some liquid domains. 3L’s are expensive. So I thought that CVCV’s may be a better alternative to me.

Once again, my questions are about acquisitions. I understand the sales part.

for the newbies here:
The Secrets of Power Negotiating by Roger Dawson.

is an old book
every customer knows the tactics described already

it was the first book I ever read on negotiation

negotiation has evolved


Start with NO...
The Negotiating Tools that the Pros Don't Want You to Know
by Jim Camp (Author)

was the third book I read on negotiation

it outperformed the other 2

4th book:
if I only could remember the name of the british lady...

she recommends quoting a very high price as fast as possible
in order to "anker"

somebody knows the name?
 
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is an old book
every customer knows the tactics described already

it was the first book I ever read on negotiation

negotiation has evolved

Ok, interesting. I will read that one too.

At the same time, I liked the basics described by Roger Dawson, and one can use that knowledge and extend it with the newer tricks.

I haven’t read other books you mentioned, but saying no (and pretending IDGAF) was exactly how I negotiated my best 2 sales to date.

negotiations are fun. But it takes time, patience, good amount of great domains, etc.

I’ve sold five domains last year: 18K + 8K in Feb-March, 16K +1.5K + 1K in Oct-Dec. Revenue-vise, I’m very happy. But I’m not happy about worthless 6 months between March and October.

This year, I changed the strategy. I don’t negotiate. I just use realistic BIN + payment plan. 20 sales to date (7 of which on a payment plan) for a total amount of around 17K. I’m would be more happy about this year than the previous one if the tendency continues.
 
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Yeah I have had an uptick in that as well, but for only one name, SYBS.com which I usually get North American inquiries, but the last month the Chinese have been emailing everyday, I thought maybe a company over there or some pop culture reference got hot. The weird thing is a bunch keep asking me how much? When some are coming through Epik and it's priced there, so probably just stupid games by them.
Because few of them know how to invest. I don't like how they trade.
 
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