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Do you charge your friends?

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Chris Hydrick

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Time = money

What makes somebody else's time worth more or less than your time? Is it that they value their time more, or that you value your time less? Are there reasons why one might value their time, and why one wouldn't find value in their time?

(imo) Friendship > money

How do y'all handle situations where a friend either: (a) wants you to acquire a domain for them (b) wants to acquire one of your domains. (c) other - a friend needs a few hours of your time and expertise.

Sure, it may depend on the level of friend they are, so you could break your answer down accordingly.

Some might argue:

Favors > money

Thus, the price will be dependent not what you can do for them, but what they can or can't do for you.

But should real friendship be quid pro quo?

Or deals be varying based one on ones resources?

So many intangibles, I know, for this to be a straight answer, such as offers on the domain, or if you can get more for the domain on the reseller market than what you paid for it. At which point, do you charge your friend your purchase price (not making anything beyond what you paid because they're a friend) or do you charge them a fair reseller price, so you get the liquid worth? And if you're willing to do that, would you be willing to charge reseller price for a domain you over paid for? Or is that friend taking advantage of you by having you take the loss instead of waiting out for a higher offer? Vice versa, would you be taking advantage of them for selling it to them more than they would get on the reseller market?

Does it matter if you could buy a similar domain for the reseller price you sold it to your friend for, thus adding a new avenue for you to make up the loss of price paid and price selling to a friend?

As usually, this is largely dependent on ones situation.

Just curious as to how everyone here handles business with friendship.

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As we're friends, and they trust me and my long time domaining knowledge, I ram it to them and gouge them for as much as possible. It's their fault for not watching X-Files where it's stressed - "Trust No One!!" :xf.wink::-P
 
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Had a "friend" call me to buy a geo business name. Gave him the friend price, told him I'd do a simple website for a few hundred more.

Turns out my friend was fronting for someone who tried to buy the domain but didn't like the price. Now the buyer is complaining because my schedule isn't what he expected. Now he's on the when I have time schedule.

As hawkeye said, trust no-one.
 
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My friends get them at cost
 
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For me, if it's not reciprocal, it could throw off the balance and harmony of our relationship.

Nobody wants to be take advantage of.

Nor do I think true friends want to take advantage of their friends.

Fairly defining and expressively communicating the feeling of, or reasons why one may feel they are being taken advantage of may help any friendly disputes. Thus giving both parties a chance to explain their positions and possibly come to an amicable resolution. Sometimes though, the question remains, would it have been better left unsaid?

Alternatively, miscommunication and bottled up excess emotion, can fuel a different narrative.
 
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Some friends are better than others.
 
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I'm a Jew, of course a end-user price.
 
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Just curious as to how everyone here handles business with friendship.

The price is the price...however, I am 'renting' several names to friends while they are available for purchase. They (friends) have been given the option to finance, but most have gone with straight rental.
 
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The price is the price...however, I am 'renting' several names to friends while they are available for purchase. They (friends) have been given the option to finance, but most have gone with straight rental.
I never understood that... Sometimes the price is affordable and some people choose to rent
 
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wouldn't sell anything to a friend

but I do send my enemies free domains registered at networksolutions
 
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wouldn't sell anything to a friend

but I do send my enemies free domains registered at networksolutions
What is this networksolutions story? it sounds like a punishment
 
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What is this networksolutions story? it sounds like a punishment
Just explaining it is torture, read up a bit about the transfer out process
 
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Just explaining it is torture, read up a bit about the transfer out process
I registered 2 domains with Sav.com a few weeks ago.. same kind of torture?
 
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I registered 2 domains with Sav.com a few weeks ago.. same kind of torture?

NetSol = a different level of torture. They hold IANA ID #2. They could be leading the industry. Instead, they have jacked up prices, not the greatest support stories, and a common issue has been difficulty retrieving AUTH codes to transfer out, especially in a timely manner. Among a slew of other issues that you'd expect they'd learn from over the years.

Sav = a beta like environment after acquiring nameking IANA #609 and rebranding. Great prices. And though @Nick R is likely very busy, he and Sav support have been great every time I've reached out. Though, I think they know they still have a lot to learn/implement. Hence the beta feeling, and cautious approach to releasing features. I expect big things from them in the coming years. If not, I'm happy to use their affordable pricing, and transfer out to a more domainer friendly registrar if need be. The only issue (besides 60 day transfer lock) I had with a transfer with Sav, was I couldn't push a domain to another sav.com account within the first 5 days of registration, as the domain was still within refund period. Nonetheless, I learned that within reason, they allow full refunds on registrations within 5 days. Unlike @Dynadot which charges a $3 fee per .com (albeit, dyna make it easy by giving the user a console to help automate the refund request).

Not that IANA ID #'s is a related metric here, but if you're looking for a base understanding of the registrars you're dealing with, it's a good starting point. Most WHOIS include an IANA # for you to reference if you're looking for a bread crumb starting point to learn more about a registrar or what network of registrars a particular domain might have been caught/registered at.

IANA List: https://www.iana.org/assignments/registrar-ids/registrar-ids.xhtml
 
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I don't sell domains to friends or family. I sometimes gift them domains, sometimes lease them at no cost, but never sell domains to friends.
 
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Friends don't let friends domain. In the event though, yeh it would be a gift if needed.

(c) other - a friend needs a few hours of your time and expertise.
It will be reciprocated back in some form or fashion, that is why they are friends. Even as simple as being appreciated for doing so is enough for me.
 
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I don't sell domains to friends or family. I sometimes gift them domains, sometimes lease them at no cost, but never sell domains to friends.

💗 this approach!

Almost as if it's to value karma more than the dollar.

Friends don't let friends domain. In the event though, yeh it would be a gift if needed.

I agree to that.

But who are we to tell anyone what to or what not to do. Experienced in domains we are. But subject matter experts to everything, we are not.

Also deciding whether or not to subscribe to harm reduction or abstinence might be something to consider.

A few opinion points:
  • Domains (or domaining) might be best introduced with disclaimers, from you, to your friends and/or family. [and vice versa] from your friends or family to you. Not sure if anyone here has ever talked a friends or family members head off about a domain or domaining aspect before, and then been looked at with that look. Hard to describe what that look looks like, as every friend or family member is different, but generally, once you talk their head off, the look is a general look of confusion as to, "Did he just talk my head off?" or "Did he just talk his head off?"
  • I've noticed some nP'ers get/give a lot of heavy worded feedback (I'm guilty of this as well) with regards to some of the domains they register. A lot of the time, the criticizing nPer might have good intentions, hoping to look out for that members wallet so to speak, as lot have seen, or have experienced over extending oneself and the pitfalls that come within long term domaining. But the counter argument is buying a domain could be harm reduction to something else, be it harm reduction from other addictions such as drugs/alcohol/cigarettes, or even from themeselves, as a domain, if thought of similar to an intellectual lottery ticket, can be a ticket to one's imagination. Be it imagining a big sale, or connecting to the right people to help turn your domain, and the vision for your domain into a reality. Going from a visionary alone in the basement, to being supported by a team, and creating jobs for others to better not only yours but those you coexist with. A counter balance to this is, swinging for the fence every swing wont win you championships, sometimes you have to be OK playing small ball, bunting, and taking your swings/pitches as they come.Simply put, usually you need singles to hit a grand slam. Unless, you have such great resources around you, and the pitcher walks the previous three batters for you.
  • Shorter disclaimer, domaining can be addicting. There are certainly different levels of domaining dependent on money spent, time allocated, way it impacts your daily life, and a plethora of whatever wherever domaining leads you. This is an area I hope to personally address later on. As well as the mental health, personality, and cultural aspects we coexist with online.
  • I saw a $500 domain on nP that would be great for an idea my friend was talking about as something he'd like to do after he graduates college. In the mean time, there is an idea for us to beta test the idea for ourselves, and having the domain is a motivational tool. I asked the nP seller if the BIN was flexible, and closed at $300. It was my friends 1st domain. We split the cost. Though, knowing it's a valuable domain, and due to capital benefits, flipping the domain for a sizable profit might be more beneficial for both us (me and my friend) and any potential buyer (getting a premium domain). I submitted it to BB, and to my surprise, the $300 nP purchase in 2019, is now listed at $29,995. I've bought 4L.com on nP for +/- $300, and they have never been listed on BB for as much as this 3 word .com was listed for. Not saying that listing price means much. Just saying, if BB finds a buyer before my friend puts forth the effort to build his idea, both my friend and I will be happy with the ~20k profit. The question then, comes to the karma, or ethics, of paying that profit forward to the nP seller who cut us a $200 or 40% break from his $500 BIN. I would make a point to my friend that the nP seller would need at least a $200 cut of the sale before reaching out to offer the nP seller a post sale bonus.
 
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"That look" lol, yes am familiar with it from family. It's like they're watching the movie Clueless or something, and I'm the starring role. Have given up, always putting put dot-com after my new Gtlds, like "oh yeah, so that's super.name.com right?" knowing full well it pisses me off. So they're cut off the inheritance too, renewals and all :laugh:

Guess difference though between friends, and domainer friends. I think domainer friends there's an understanding, as value/loss is appreciated more by both parties. So for me for dealing with a fellow dn'er it might boil down the actual domain, on a domain by domain basis.
 
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NetSol = a different level of torture. They hold IANA ID #2. They could be leading the industry. Instead, they have jacked up prices, not the greatest support stories, and a common issue has been difficulty retrieving AUTH codes to transfer out, especially in a timely manner. Among a slew of other issues that you'd expect they'd learn from over the years.

Sav = a beta like environment after acquiring nameking IANA #609 and rebranding. Great prices. And though @Nick R is likely very busy, he and Sav support have been great every time I've reached out. Though, I think they know they still have a lot to learn/implement. Hence the beta feeling, and cautious approach to releasing features. I expect big things from them in the coming years. If not, I'm happy to use their affordable pricing, and transfer out to a more domainer friendly registrar if need be. The only issue (besides 60 day transfer lock) I had with a transfer with Sav, was I couldn't push a domain to another sav.com account within the first 5 days of registration, as the domain was still within refund period. Nonetheless, I learned that within reason, they allow full refunds on registrations within 5 days. Unlike @Dynadot which charges a $3 fee per .com (albeit, dyna make it easy by giving the user a console to help automate the refund request).

Not that IANA ID #'s is a related metric here, but if you're looking for a base understanding of the registrars you're dealing with, it's a good starting point. Most WHOIS include an IANA # for you to reference if you're looking for a bread crumb starting point to learn more about a registrar or what network of registrars a particular domain might have been caught/registered at.

IANA List: https://www.iana.org/assignments/registrar-ids/registrar-ids.xhtml
Thanks bro
 
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"That look" lol, yes am familiar with it from family. It's like they're watching the movie Clueless or something, and I'm the starring role. Have given up, always putting put dot-com after my new Gtlds, like "oh yeah, so that's super.name.com right?" knowing full well it pisses me off. So they're cut off the inheritance too, renewals and all :laugh:

🤣

Ohhhh wow. I simultaneously cringed, and lol'd after hearing how well your family has trolled (loved / learned to deal with) your new gTlds with comments such as super.name.com. In a world where it's sometimes hard for a domainer to feel understood, I find the super.name.com example fascinating. Because, if you know they get it, and you get what they mean by super.name.com, than +1 for communication and perhaps some brownie points for love? As I'm sure (guessing) that if you ever do come across a super.name.com, then your friends/family will be fully behind you.

A short comical comparison is how Penny deals with (trolls/coexists with) Sheldon and his three knocks. Annoyed or happy, she'll answer the door for her friend Sheldon.

What?

Who do we love?

The top 5
 
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