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I truly believe NamePros is in a class by itself. Any truly serious domainer absolutely has to peruse NamePros frequently if he or she wants to optimize his or her goals vis-a-vis domain names.

Plus, I believe it is associated with the best—and cheapest—registrar, NameSilo, from which l have bought nearly 50 domain names in the relatively short time l’ve been domaining. Yes, l have a zillion stars next to my name, but l took a sabbatical of about a dozen years shortly after joining NP to raise a family.

However, in my opinion, it does have an Achilles Heel or two or three (l realize having more than one might be an oxymoron)—at least in my humble opinion. I’m listing two below:

— In the past two days, l’ve received Alerts (more than two about the same two issues, as some of Alerts were virtually the same). I was told my posts were moved to different threads—specifically, Legal Discussion and Registrar Reviews.

That’s fine—except that l couldn’t find either of those threads on the left-hand side of the page, where Discussion threads are listed. It wasn’t too hard to find Registrar Reviews by clicking on the sub-discussion Domain Registrar Reviews—but l’ve all but given up looking for Legal Discussion.

— My second is that NamePros, apparently, assumes that all readers understand the many domaining terms that appear frequently in the sub-Discussion Request Domains—puzzling terms to me (even though l have a decent acquaintance with the King’s English partially because l teach college English), like 4Ls—among a number of different alphabet-letter combinations, Domain Authority, Geo Domains, SEO, Brandpa, Amazon Associates Affiliate, WTB, Forex, ISP, Non-Penalized, and this list just touches the surface.

Am l just a domain-illiterate that wasn’t born with a gene like the great majority? The vast majority of NsmePros members have been so very helpful
to me, but every now and then I will receive a sardonic reply from a member who thinks l should give up domaining, as l don’t know these terms—though l can not only use but teach the most important punctuation mark in the English language—the semicolon—which has been shown in many studies as being used almost exclusively by Above-average writers.

Bottom Line: l think that it would be most-helpful if the nonpareil NamePros web site would include a glossary of domaining terms.
 
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I agree with the proposal, a glossary would be a great addition to the website.

Also, do not listen what people are saying, as some of them are just rude or envious that they do not own a specific domain. Go on your path and prove them wrong.

Related to English, most of the people here do not have English as a native language, including myself. There are people from all around the world, I think that only a small percentage speak English as their native language.
 
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...the semicolon—which has been shown in many studies as being used almost exclusively by Above-average writers.
Them using it does not mean using it correctly! Some texts need semi-colonic irrigation to clean them up.

Agree, glossary needed.

Re dismissive comments, there is an Iron Law of NP discussions: sooner or later every thread degenerates into an "I'm a better domainer than you" pissing match and we end up talking about domainers, not domains. Just ignore... well not everything, but what does not seem to have any basis. Not unknown for a name that gets bashed to to get lowball offers by pm... from bashers themselves.
 
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I agree with the proposal, a glossary would be a great addition to the website.

Also, do not listen what people are saying, as some of them are just rude or envious that they do not own a specific domain. Go on your path and prove them wrong.

Related to English, most of the people here do not have English as a native language, including myself. There are people from all around the world, I think that only a small percentage speak English as their native language.
You write English quite well. Better than most native-borns.
 
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Them using it does not mean using it correctly! Some texts need semi-colonic irrigation to clean them up.

Agree, glossary needed.

Re dismissive comments, there is an Iron Law of NP discussions: sooner or later every thread degenerates into an "I'm a better domainer than you" pissing match and we end up talking about domainers, not domains. Just ignore... well not everything, but what does not seem to have any basis. Not unknown for a name that gets bashed to to get lowball offers by pm... from bashers themselves.
Love a great sense of humor; seems as there are fewer and fewer these days given the increasingly stressful times. (Would you believe that, acc. to the LA Times, 78 percent of American families live paycheck to paycheck.). Still laughing at “semi-colonic irrigation.
 
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I t truly believe NamePros is in a class by itself. Any truly serious domainer absolutely has to peruse NamePros frequently if he or she wants to optimize his or her goals vis-a-vis domain names.

Thank you!

Plus, I believe it is associated with the best—and cheapest—registrar, NameSilo, from which l have bought nearly 50 domain names in the relatively short time l’ve been domaining. Yes, l have a zillion stars next to my name, but l took a sabbatical of about a dozen years shortly after joining NP to raise a family.

We're not currently officially affiliated with any registrar, though many advertise on NamePros.

In the past two days, l’ve received Alerts (more than two about the same two issues, as some of Alerts were virtually the same). I was told my posts were moved to different threads—specifically, Legal Discussion and Registrar Reviews.

That’s fine—except that l couldn’t find either of those threads on the left-hand side of the page, where Discussion threads are listed. It wasn’t too hard to find Registrar Reviews by clicking on the sub-discussion Domain Registrar Reviews—but l’ve all but given up looking for Legal Discussion.

We have many categories, subcategories, and subsubcategories. The organization is a little confusing, but it's necessary for keeping all of the content organized. For much the same reason, we tend to relocate threads if they fit better in a forum that differs from their origin.

To quickly find your own threads, click your username in the menu bar at the top of the page. A menu will appear; from there, click "Your Content." Additionally, if you subscribe to a thread, you'll receive an alert whenever someone replies; typically, you're automatically subscribed to threads you create, though this behavior can be disabled. Alerts don't last forever, though: if you'd like to keep a persistent record of alerts you've received, you can opt into email notifications in addition to on-website alerts.

Am l just a domain-illiterate that wasn’t born with a gene like the great majority? The vast majority of NsmePros members have been so very helpful
to me, but every now and then I will receive a sardonic reply from a member who thinks l should give up domaining, as l don’t know these terms...

With a community as large as ours, there will inevitably be members who are less than helpful at times. We attempt to be as strict as possible in enforcing professionalism without resorting to blatant censorship; however, this is difficult to do, and we can't prevent ever discouraging message, nor is it always our place to do so. We hope that the positive interactions you have on NamePros will outnumber and outweigh the negative interactions, but this is by no means a utopia. Everyone has a bad day from time to time; we don't expect perfection.

...though l can not only use but teach the most important punctuation mark in the English language—the semicolon—which has been shown in many studies as being used almost exclusively by Above-average writers.

If you don't mind, I'm going to quote you on that next time I'm ridiculed for my liberal use of semicolons.

Bottom Line: l think that it would be most-helpful if the nonpareil NamePros web site would include a glossary of domaining terms.

As has been mentioned, one does exist, but we could probably do more to make it easy to locate.

Re dismissive comments, there is an Iron Law of NP discussions: sooner or later every thread degenerates into an "I'm a better domainer than you" pissing match and we end up talking about domainers, not domains. Just ignore... well not everything, but what does not seem to have any basis. Not unknown for a name that gets bashed to to get lowball offers by pm... from bashers themselves.

We do attempt to mitigate that, but the responsibility to resist insulting other members ultimately falls on each of us as individuals.

It is hard to find via the NP search though.. I think they're still working on fixing that.

That we are.
 
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What an outstanding, informative and complete post above by @Paul Buonopane! Thank you.

The effort to keep NPs for the most part positive and helpful is, as noted, a never ending and challenging one. I would like to thank the mods who do their best to intervene when they should and not when they shouldn't. What a thankless job they have, and one they do well the vast majority of the time.

Not only is it incredibly hurtful to people when personal attacks happen, and doubly so when those attacks are made using false and misleading statements, but it is ineffective. The best way to influence others, if you feel strongly on some issue, is to make your case in a clear, polite and reasoned way based on the principles.

As most have probably realized, I spend too much time on NPs and write too much here. :xf.sick: I have found the vast majority of the community wonderful to interact with. Interesting people who have great knowledge and are eager to share. There are many many people who can have very different views on domain topics, but can express those differences in a positive and respectful way.

But at the same time I have been highly troubled by the personal attacks (I am not talking mainly or only on me, but certainly on me as part). I worked for 36 years in three different organizations, and behaviour I have seen here would easily have gotten people immediately suspended or fired. I volunteer from time to time at an elementary school that goes out of its way to promote acceptance, diversity and kindness. Students or staff set a model we could all learn from. I volunteer many hours a month at a community organization. If any volunteer did anything remotely like the things we see from day to day here they would justifiably be gone immediately. At organizations like that we have widely different personal views on politics, lifestyle choices, social issues and other things, but we all accept that each person has the right to be treated positively and with respect.

So why is it that in domaining it is alright to be rudely negative and unfair to others? I think it is a domaining problem, and not a NPs problem, as I see routinely on social media and in some domain blog comments the same personalized, unprofessional rudeness.

Three times I have personally come close to leaving NPs. Yesterday was one such day. I am still considering the balance between the wonderful people that are here, and the other side that, in my opinion, darkens this wonderful community. Sorry to be so serious, but I think the issue is serious.

I wish everyone who reads this a good day, despite my less than cheery tone. And just to make absolutely clear, my message is not about any particular individuals or about any thread, but rather the ingrained mindset that it is alright to be rude or personalize issues.

Seriously,

Bob

PS I tried to use some semicolons in this post, based on the information you provided @Lewstar but alas I failed; message received :xf.eek:.
 
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So why is it that in domaining it is alright to be rudely negative and unfair to others? I think it is a domaining problem, and not a NPs problem, as I see routinely on social media and in some domain blog comments the same personalized, unprofessional rudeness.

Domaining is inherently insecure - all domains could lose all value tomorrow, they can be stolen, hijacked, sold too cheap, UDRPed, accused of infringement... as well as addictive money losers. So a lot of people in the domain re-selling world are very, very insecure and try to make themselves feel better... by making others feel worse.

But how often do gamblers at casinos spend precious time insulting each other?
 
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So why is it that in domaining it is alright to be rudely negative and unfair to others? I think it is a domaining problem, and not a NPs problem, as I see routinely on social media and in some domain blog comments the same personalized, unprofessional rudeness.

I wouldn't say this is specific to domaining; it's an issue in just about every industry in which there's significant disparity between novices, experts, and perceived experts.

It is, of course, human nature to take sides and defend opinions rather stubbornly. It's frustrating, but it's important to remember that it's an inevitability, and, just as we all fall victims to it from time to time, we're all part of the problem. It's a hard temptation to resist.

I'm not exactly a psychology/sociology expert, but I've been told that this behavior is exacerbated in professional communities by something called the Dunning-Kruger effect. In essence, the people who are most confident about their own expertise tend to be the least skilled:

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Image source: Catalog of Bias, "The Dunning-Kruger Effect" by Thomas Frost & David Nunan, https://catalogofbias.org/2018/03/22/twenty-years-of-bias-and-the-dunning-kruger-effect/, published 2018-03-22, accessed 2019-05-21.

This has numerous consequences, but the most relevant to this thread are:
  • There are two highly-confident groups disseminating potentially disparate information.
  • There are a large number of moderately experienced individuals who are liable to take sides due to lack of confidence in their own experiences and opinions.
Combine this with the strong-headed nature of your average investor, and you've got debates that look more like taunting by fans from two opposing sports teams than an actual academic discussion.

Just as we can all say we've been victimized by this behavior, we're all part of the problem. As individuals, we need to be hyper-vigilant of our own tendencies to take sides and dismiss opposing viewpoints. The more we feel that this is a problem, the more effort we should put into self-moderating and expressing respect for those around us, both on NamePros and elsewhere. A little respect and empathy goes a long way.

Disclaimer: Again, I'm not a psychologist or sociologist, so it's quite possible that I've gotten some of the facts wrong here, but I think the basic premise is intuitive enough that I can safely attempt to explain it.
 
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Three times I have personally come close to leaving NPs. Yesterday was one such day.
No don't Bob. You have to brush these people off whom post replies without reading the context in behind your posts. I know exactly what/whom your talking about, and which thread. I just want to say, its the main reason I stay out insubstantial threads, they tend to attract the less desirables, and then then you end up getting caught in the crossfire. It will never matter what logic or reason you post, and how respectful you may be to these people, they just simply don't get it.

When I saw the downright nasty post by BailyUK, I thought, how can someone be so ignorant? So, I think really it just comes down to making the right decision in which threads to participate in. Even those although you can't keep out the "trollers", but at the very least there is enough quality feedback and posts to concentrate on which makes it easier to brush off the "eyebrow" raisers.

I wish I had as much time to spend on here as you and many others, I find the community more stimulating in a positive way than not, and everyday there is something to learn. I've said it before and say it again, members like you have an awesome effect on NP because YOU CARE! And we need more of that!

Take it easy brother,

Hots
 
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— In the past two days, l’ve received Alerts (more than two about the same two issues, as some of Alerts were virtually the same). I was told my posts were moved to different threads—specifically, Legal Discussion and Registrar Reviews.

I never worry about that, I try to post where I think a topic belongs, if I can't find it I put it into general name domain discussions and usually in a day or two I get notified that the domain has been moved. So voila... problem solved.
 
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Now on a bit of a different note....

I wish I could remember the forum it was but I'm pretty sure it was an automotive forum of some kind. I used to love visiting it because it only had one forum nothing else. A topic either trended to the top or it fell down the list. It was so easy to see what was happening because everything that had action just moved to the top. No need for hot icons or anything, just look up.

Anytime someone complained about no sections they got a verbal tongue lashing about the search feature.

Period, no more was said.
 
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You have to brush these people off whom post replies without reading the context in behind your posts.

That's easier said than done. Moderators can delete posts that go too far, which helps in the short term, but it's really just a band-aid. It also takes time for that to happen, and moderators don't always agree about what should be deleted, or they might misinterpret a situation.

Banning doesn't really work, either; people just create new accounts or get friends to post on their behalf, and while we can usually detect duplicate accounts, often they don't get flagged until after they've posted at least once.
 
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— In the past two days, l’ve received Alerts (more than two about the same two issues, as some of Alerts were virtually the same). I was told my posts were moved to different threads—specifically, Legal Discussion and Registrar Reviews.

That’s fine—except that l couldn’t find either of those threads on the left-hand side of the page, where Discussion threads are listed. It wasn’t too hard to find Registrar Reviews by clicking on the sub-discussion Domain Registrar Reviews—but l’ve all but given up looking for Legal Discussion.

Legal Discussion is categorized under More Discussion Categories on the home page.

Tip: The Quick Navigation Menu shows a complete list of forums/sections that make it easy to browse or search.

My second is that NamePros, apparently, assumes that all readers understand the many domaining terms that appear frequently in the sub-Discussion Request Domains—puzzling terms to me (even though l have a decent acquaintance with the King’s English partially because l teach college English), like 4Ls—among a number of different alphabet-letter combinations, Domain Authority, Geo Domains, SEO, Brandpa, Amazon Associates Affiliate, WTB, Forex, ISP, Non-Penalized, and this list just touches the surface.
Here's another thread where you can submit terms that you'd like to have defined in such a glossary:
We are working on compiling all of this information into a single page that is easy to reference.


But at the same time I have been highly troubled by the personal attacks (I am not talking mainly or only on me, but certainly on me as part). I worked for 36 years in three different organizations, and behaviour I have seen here would easily have gotten people immediately suspended or fired. I volunteer from time to time at an elementary school that goes out of its way to promote acceptance, diversity and kindness. Students or staff set a model we could all learn from. I volunteer many hours a month at a community organization. If any volunteer did anything remotely like the things we see from day to day here they would justifiably be gone immediately. At organizations like that we have widely different personal views on politics, lifestyle choices, social issues and other things, but we all accept that each person has the right to be treated positively and with respect.

So why is it that in domaining it is alright to be rudely negative and unfair to others? I think it is a domaining problem, and not a NPs problem, as I see routinely on social media and in some domain blog comments the same personalized, unprofessional rudeness.
The specific industry likely plays a minor role in this case, although there will be differences among industries. For example, global industries like domain investing are going to experience it more than a niche/local industry where most participants share similar viewpoints and life experiences.

The biggest contributor to what you're noticing is real-world vs. virtual-world interactions.

As a thought experiment:
  • Let's imagine NamePros is a large conference room that can comfortably fit everyone. It's always open, and visitors come and go as they please.
  • Let's imagine that every time you want to make a public post, you must go on the stage of this large conference room and speak it into a microphone for everyone in the room to hear. In addition to that, it is recorded so that everyone who visits this conference room for all eternity will be able to playback the recording of what you said on stage.
  • Finally, let's imagine that every time you want to say something to a specific person or people, they must join you on stage where you will say it to them in front of everyone else in the conference room. Again, it will be recorded for anyone to playback anytime they want, whether they were present when you said it or not.
This fantasy is almost perfectly analogous to NamePros with the primary difference being that it is taking place in person instead of online.

How would it change all of the unfortunate differences that you've noticed?

The industry would matter a lot less in this case, which is why domain conferences are generally a positive experience for everyone who attends: these problems are almost entirely exclusive to online interactions (regardless of the industry or platform) and very rarely occur in face-to-face interactions.


I used to love visiting it because it only had one forum nothing else. A topic either trended to the top or it fell down the list. It was so easy to see what was happening because everything that had action just moved to the top. No need for hot icons or anything, just look up.
For all intents and purposes, that should be the same as New Posts (and if you want a more filtered version: Domain Discussion only or Marketplace only).

The added benefit of categories is that if someone doesn't want to see everything like with New Posts (or a single forum), then there are options to view by specific categories.

We hope that helps.
 
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Thank you!



We're not currently officially affiliated with any registrar, though many advertise on NamePros.



We have many categories, subcategories, and subsubcategories. The organization is a little confusing, but it's necessary for keeping all of the content organized. For much the same reason, we tend to relocate threads if they fit better in a forum that differs from their origin.

To quickly find your own threads, click your username in the menu bar at the top of the page. A menu will appear; from there, click "Your Content." Additionally, if you subscribe to a thread, you'll receive an alert whenever someone replies; typically, you're automatically subscribed to threads you create, though this behavior can be disabled. Alerts don't last forever, though: if you'd like to keep a persistent record of alerts you've received, you can opt into email notifications in addition to on-website alerts.



With a community as large as ours, there will inevitably be members who are less than helpful at times. We attempt to be as strict as possible in enforcing professionalism without resorting to blatant censorship; however, this is difficult to do, and we can't prevent ever discouraging message, nor is it always our place to do so. We hope that the positive interactions you have on NamePros will outnumber and outweigh the negative interactions, but this is by no means a utopia. Everyone has a bad day from time to time; we don't expect perfection.



If you don't mind, I'm going to quote you on that next time I'm ridiculed for my liberal use of semicolons.



As has been mentioned, one does exist, but we could probably do more to make it easy to locate.



We do attempt to mitigate that, but the responsibility to resist insulting other members ultimately falls on each of us as individuals.



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Thanks, Paul, for your most positive, thorough, helpful, not-the-least-bit-condescending (which, l’m sure, many tasked with replying to my missive might be tempted to do at least once or twice—be egotistical, that is), and extremely well-written.

I preach the semicolon only because it’s the prime defense against the omnipresent run-on sentence, which is the most-prevalent grammatical mistake made by all manner of writers, even many otherwise effective writers—just ask the SAT, as l said in my original message.

Folks can certainly be fine writers without ever using a semicolon; it’s just that if you write two complete sentences together without separating them with a period or a semicolon—you have created the clumsy runoff sentence—aka, comma splice, when a comma is used to incorrectly divide the two sentences.

In great books 100 or 200 years, you will see that some famous authors use semicolons often while others eschew them entirely.

I probably came off as a know-it-all to many by boasting that l could use the semicolon correctly, but l am a tech-illiterate—l don’t even know what a tag is—and in this day and age, l’m not sure l would rather be proficient in technology than in the King’s English.

But l’m blathering now.

Thanks so much for your wonderful response in all respects,Paul; l was actually nervous about posting my message for fear NamePros might excommunicate me.
 
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Thanks so much, too, to cipcip, carob, HotKey, MapleDots, DnameAgain, the irreplaceable Bob Hawkes, and the anonymous Moderator, who wrote a priceless response, replete with compelling examples, that should be mandatory reading by all members.

These replies reflect NamePros at its absolute finest—and make me proud to be a colleague of them and a member of this nonpareil web site.

P.S. Last Sunday, “60 Minutes” had a segment on bitcoin and cryptocurrency, neither of which l know anything about but see mentioned in NP all the time, and l feel a bit better knowing l’m far from alone, including interviewer Anderson Cooper. The piece is available on You Tube.
 
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Domaining is inherently insecure - all domains could lose all value tomorrow, they can be stolen, hijacked, sold too cheap, UDRPed, accused of infringement... as well as addictive money losers. So a lot of people in the domain re-selling world are very, very insecure and try to make themselves feel better... by making others feel worse.

But how often do gamblers at casinos spend precious time insulting each other?
It is a really interesting observation that the risk element of investments in domains leads to natural insecurity and one way people, not all or not most, deal with insecurity is by making others feel worse. I actually at some future date may try to see if anyone has looked at that - like are day traders more negative with each other than librarians in online communities.

I actually think it is more a habit than anything and it is not really intentional or even fully realized. Somehow it became normal and accepted to from time to time make fun of those with different views and less experience in sarcastic ways, people see others do it, and therefore it just becomes natural.

Bob
 
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What an outstanding, informative and complete post above by @Paul Buonopane! Thank you.

The effort to keep NPs for the most part positive and helpful is, as noted, a never ending and challenging one. I would like to thank the mods who do their best to intervene when they should and not when they shouldn't. What a thankless job they have, and one they do well the vast majority of the time.

Not only is it incredibly hurtful to people when personal attacks happen, and doubly so when those attacks are made using false and misleading statements, but it is ineffective. The best way to influence others, if you feel strongly on some issue, is to make your case in a clear, polite and reasoned way based on the principles.

As most have probably realized, I spend too much time on NPs and write too much here. :xf.sick: I have found the vast majority of the community wonderful to interact with. Interesting people who have great knowledge and are eager to share. There are many many people who can have very different views on domain topics, but can express those differences in a positive and respectful way.

But at the same time I have been highly troubled by the personal attacks (I am not talking mainly or only on me, but certainly on me as part). I worked for 36 years in three different organizations, and behaviour I have seen here would easily have gotten people immediately suspended or fired. I volunteer from time to time at an elementary school that goes out of its way to promote acceptance, diversity and kindness. Students or staff set a model we could all learn from. I volunteer many hours a month at a community organization. If any volunteer did anything remotely like the things we see from day to day here they would justifiably be gone immediately. At organizations like that we have widely different personal views on politics, lifestyle choices, social issues and other things, but we all accept that each person has the right to be treated positively and with respect.

So why is it that in domaining it is alright to be rudely negative and unfair to others? I think it is a domaining problem, and not a NPs problem, as I see routinely on social media and in some domain blog comments the same personalized, unprofessional rudeness.

Three times I have personally come close to leaving NPs. Yesterday was one such day. I am still considering the balance between the wonderful people that are here, and the other side that, in my opinion, darkens this wonderful community. Sorry to be so serious, but I think the issue is serious.

I wish everyone who reads this a good day, despite my less than cheery tone. And just to make absolutely clear, my message is not about any particular individuals or about any thread, but rather the ingrained mindset that it is alright to be rude or personalize issues.

Seriously,

Bob

PS I tried to use some semicolons in this post, based on the information you provided @Lewstar but alas I failed; message received :xf.eek:.

Bob, The one semicolon used at the finish of your message (at least that l saw) was definitely correctly applied. More important, your writing was superior throughout. The only “thing” that caught my eye was your spelling of “behavior” with a “u”—which makes me think you’re British.

As l mentioned in one of my messages, some fine writers never use semicolons, and, in fact,
If you read books by famous writers of a century or two ago, some are prolific users of semicolons; others eschew them entirely.

Hey, l saw you are thinking of retiring from NamePros. Say it ain’t so! I always read a Bob Hawkes-submission; l always learn something new—often two, three, or more!

Your latest message about ideas to improve domaining supports my notion that you should write a book, or at least a continuing series of articles on the subject. I would gladly edit it—and/or give you ideas for subject matter that would be of particular interest to us budding domainers.

That way you continue your invaluable assisting of not only NamePro members but domainers in general—while earning some money as well.

Which leads me into a question for you: The great majority of my 150 or so domain names’ nameservers are pointed at Bodis.com.

I certainly don’t ever expect to become independently wealthy from parking, but at least l can tell, I think, how popular my domain names are—or aren’t. But l have no idea what the Bodis figures mean. I’ve just recently “connected” to Bodis, and my most-viewed domain name is Universearch.com (12).

No idea what that means. I think l have to submit a W-9 before l receive any dollars or pennies even.

Finally—before you fall asleep if you already haven’t—would you like me to forward you an article whose headline is below:

Rick Schwartz Has Made $30 MILLION via PPC Parking

Lew
 
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