The USA Political Thread

Like most liberals, Grilled is fine with free speech until he isn't.

Grilled said:

There's a certain kind of language that is and isn't tolerated per namePros rules.

Don't like it.

Take it elsewhere.

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#2 democrat candidate for President has a long marxist history. Breadlines in the Soviet Union, praises Castro in Cuba, reluctant to condemn Maduro in VZ.

enlytend said:

Then there are those who try to scare people away from science and education by using labels like "marxist doctrine" because an uneducated and unquestioning populace is easier to manipulate and control.

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"unquestioning"

Biden campaign workers trying to keep him from talking "off the cuff".

David Axelrod said that Joe Biden’s campaign seems to be trying to protect him from making gaffes or appearing to be too old for the presidency.

Axelrod told the New York Times that he thought the campaign’s strategy of insulating Biden from the press and holding back the famously garrulous former vice president from making any controversial remarks has worked so far, but said the campaign will have to pivot to allow him to be “more venturesome” with his remarks and appearance.
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Biden is a gaffe machine. He got away with it in postage stamp size state of Delaware because everyone knew and liked him. Biden is older than Ronald Reagan when he left office.

Wonder if he has enough energy to compete.

NameLlama said:

"There's kind of a calming feeling I always tell folks when I think of the Holocaust, and the tragedy of the Holocaust, and the fact that it was my ancestors, Palestinians, who lost their land and some lost their lives, their livelihood, their human dignity, their existence in many ways, have been wiped out, and some people's passports," Tlaib said.
She continued, "I mean, just all of it was in the name of trying to create a safe haven for Jews, post-the Holocaust, post-the tragedy and the horrific persecution of Jews across the world at that time, and I love the fact that it was my ancestors that provided that, right, in many ways. But they did it in a way that took their human dignity away, right, and it was forced on them. And so when I think about a one-state, I think about the fact that, why couldn't we do it in a better way?"

Um OK

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What she said is a typical example of... Taqiyya: A Deliberate Deception

GILSAN said:

What she said is a typical example of... Taqiyya: A Deliberate Deception

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Good to know

Bible isn't suitable for namepros either

NameLlama said:

Bible isn't suitable for namepros either Show attachment 119050

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Probably the centipede though

She obviously has tremendous hatred of Israel and the Jewish people.

Trump spitting hard truths, wow !



https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1128009870437953537
Don't people understand he is the most transparent

mr-x said:

#2 democrat candidate for President has a long marxist history. Breadlines in the Soviet Union, praises Castro in Cuba, reluctant to condemn Maduro in VZ.

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I won't dispute that about Sanders. I will dispute that he's the "#2 democrat candidate". Polls mean nothing at this point. He's a democrat when it suits him and I don't think his chances of winning the nomination are better than they were in 2016. He may pull in more people if someone like AOC endorses him, but his appeal is very narrow and he's too extreme.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/opinion/to-stop-irans-bomb-bomb-iran.html
Cleve man !
To Stop Iran’s Bomb, Bomb Iran

By John R. Bolton

• March 26, 2015

The inescapable conclusion is that Iran will not negotiate away its nuclear program. Nor will sanctions block its building a broad and deep weapons infrastructure. The inconvenient truth is that only military action like Israel’s 1981 attack on Saddam Hussein’s Osirak reactor in Iraq or its 2007 destruction of a Syrian reactor, designed and built by North Korea, can accomplish what is required. Time is terribly short, but a strike can still succeed.

Rendering inoperable the Natanz and Fordow uranium-enrichment installations and the Arak heavy-water production facility and reactor would be priorities. So, too, would be the little-noticed but critical uranium-conversion facility at Isfahan. An attack need not destroy all of Iran’s nuclear infrastructure, but by breaking key links in the nuclear-fuel cycle, it could set back its program by three to five years. The United States could do a thorough job of destruction, but Israel alone can do what’s necessary. Such action should be combined with vigorous American support for Iran’s opposition, aimed at regime change in Tehran.


Regime change, let's go

This girl is a genius. No wonder she triggered buzzfeed.

Video that was censored due to BuzzFeed's complaints.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/OdaUDeAGIck/

enlytend said:

I won't dispute that about Sanders. I will dispute that he's the "#2 democrat candidate". Polls mean nothing at this point. He's a democrat when it suits him and I don't think his chances of winning the nomination are better than they were in 2016. He may pull in more people if someone like AOC endorses him, but his appeal is very narrow and he's too extreme.

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Why his poll numbers crashed when Joe B entered the race.

NameLlama said:

Probably the centipede though

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It was.

Would be better if Iran's population took care of the problem.

NameLlama said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/opinion/to-stop-irans-bomb-bomb-iran.html
Cleve man !
To Stop Iran’s Bomb, Bomb Iran

By John R. Bolton

• March 26, 2015

The inescapable conclusion is that Iran will not negotiate away its nuclear program. Nor will sanctions block its building a broad and deep weapons infrastructure. The inconvenient truth is that only military action like Israel’s 1981 attack on Saddam Hussein’s Osirak reactor in Iraq or its 2007 destruction of a Syrian reactor, designed and built by North Korea, can accomplish what is required. Time is terribly short, but a strike can still succeed.

Rendering inoperable the Natanz and Fordow uranium-enrichment installations and the Arak heavy-water production facility and reactor would be priorities. So, too, would be the little-noticed but critical uranium-conversion facility at Isfahan. An attack need not destroy all of Iran’s nuclear infrastructure, but by breaking key links in the nuclear-fuel cycle, it could set back its program by three to five years. The United States could do a thorough job of destruction, but Israel alone can do what’s necessary. Such action should be combined with vigorous American support for Iran’s opposition, aimed at regime change in Tehran.


Regime change, let's go

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Russian hackers gained access to voter databases in two Florida counties ahead of the 2016 presidential election, Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis said at a news conference Tuesday.

DeSantis said the hackers didn’t manipulate any data and the election results weren’t compromised. He and officials from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement were briefed by the FBI and Department of Homeland Security on Friday.


Special counsel Robert Mueller’s report on Russian interference in the 2016 election also said hackers gained access to the network of at least one Florida county. Republican U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio has previously said at least one Florida county had an intrusion.

Putin & I discussed forming an impenetrable Cyber Security unit so that election hacking, & many other negative things, will be guarded.. https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/884016887692234753
Hahah

NameLlama said:

Putin & I discussed forming an impenetrable Cyber Security unit so that election hacking, & many other negative things, will be guarded.. https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/884016887692234753
Hahah

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2017.

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election. Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump. We have high confidence in these judgments.
6 January 2017

Trump: I'm considering working with Vlad on the cyber!

Immediately after Election Day, we assess Russian intelligence began a spearphishing campaign targeting US Government employees and individuals associated with US think tanks and NGOs in national security, defense, and foreign policy fields. This campaign could provide material for future influence efforts as well as foreign intelligence collection on the incoming administration’s goals and plans.

“Susan, I’ve known your address since last summer,” Soph said, directly addressing YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki. “I’ve got a Luger and a mitochondrial disease. I don’t care if I live. Why should I care if you live or your children? I just called an Uber. You’ve got about seven minutes to draft up a will. ... I’m coming for you, and it ain’t gonna be pretty.”

Child genius indeed !

https://airqualitynews.com/2019/05/...nistration-is-weakening-clean-air-regulation/
Politicising science

The Environmental Protection Agency is also weakening the scientific foundation for air quality standards. Under the Clean Air Act, the agency is required to comprehensively review the science characterizing air pollutants and their effects on health and welfare every five years, including epidemiologic studies that quantify the impact of pollutants on public health.

EPA’s Clean Air Scientific Advisory Committee and its subsidiary panels oversee this review and recommend new standards, which are ultimately set by the administrator. However, this winter the agency dismissed a 20-member panel of scientists specializing in fine particle air pollution, including one of us (Barbara Turpin), and changed the advisory committee’s membership so that it now includes only one academic scientist and no epidemiologist.

As such, the new committee lacks expertise to review the science. And it is being held to expedited timetables that appear to be motivated to allow new standards to be set during the lame-duck period after the 2020 election.

Further, the new committee is advocating a new way of determining which epidemiology studies can be included in the review. Many of these studies have shown that adverse health effects occur more frequently in populations that are exposed to higher air pollution. However, while they find associations between air pollution and health, most do not go further to test for whether air pollution can be identified as the cause.

But when all relevant studies finding these associations are reviewed together, health scientists and the EPA have repeatedly determined that air pollution causes health effects.

Now the new CASAC chair proposes to consider only studies that directly test for causation, using specific statistical techniques that are not widely used. This change could disqualify many of the most important studies that link air pollution with health impacts.

Still another proposed change would preclude considering health studies if they do not make their underlying data publicly available. Since many air pollution epidemiology studies use health data from individuals that are protected by privacy agreements, this shift also seems likely to exclude important studies.

We do not believe there is a scientific justification for these proposed changes, which are not required in other fields of medicine and public health.

NameLlama said:

Either.... There is a big global conspiracy to create fake science to push "marxist doctrine", so people who believe in the conspiracy reject tthe science
Or people think the conclusions of the science is being used to promoet marxist doctrine.... So then they choose to not believe the science !

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So you are saying you walk into an ice cream shop with 31 flavors, and you only see chocolate and vanilla?

Having a different conclusion is not the same as "rejecting science." Granted, there are people on both ends of the political spectrum who do reject science, and the US population in general is so poorly educated that they are not really qualified to talk about much of anything, much less science. People who have trouble understanding simple concepts like X and Y chromosomes can hardly be expected to grasp something as vastly complicated as climate science.

And objective observers to not choose to "believe" science, as you say. Believing is for religions. We look at the evidence, make a tentative conclusion, look at what can be done about it - if anything, and act appropriately.

Politics has no place in science. But sadly, the fingerprints of politics are all over climate science.

"Alabama's Senate advanced a bill banning abortion in almost all cases, including rape and incest, in direct challenge to Roe v. Wade."

Alabama Senate passes near-total abortion ban
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/poli..._source=twCNN&utm_content=2019-05-15T03:33:46

Backwards state, one that also a real life ban on sex toys.

mr-x said:

Like most liberals, Grilled is fine with free speech until he isn't.

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Don't blame me for somebody's inability to follow namePros rules.