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So for this topic I am directing the conversation to .com domain owners who own...

Less than 1% gTLD's to their entire catalogue

PLEASE READ THAT LINE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE TOPIC

So for all those .com owners who own a mere handful of gTLD's please list them and explain what made you dabble in them.

Personally I own over 1000 domains and own x1 gTLD's

1. photog.app - bought it to go with photograpp.com (photograph app)


Other than that my catalogue consists of my country code .ca & .com with less than 1% .org, .us, .net.

So what made you DABBLE in gTLD?

THIS TOPIC IS NOT FOR MEMBERS WHO OWN A LARGE AMOUNT OF TLD'S
It is specifically directed at someone who might dabble in less than 1% of catalogue.
 
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So for this topic I am directing the conversation to .com domain owners who own...

Less than 1% gTLD's to their entire catalogue

.com is a gTLD. Do you mean ngTLD (new gTLD)?
 
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.com is a gTLD. Do you mean ngTLD (new gTLD)?

New gTLD like .monster .baby .whatever

Most hard core domainers own just .com's and maybe some ccTLD's.

What makes a hard core .com'er buy an occasional NEW gTLD?
 
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ngTLD threads are out there on NP. This seems weird. You want people to only post if they only have a few ngTLD's ? :xf.confused:

Can I just post a funny cat gif instead ? :-P

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bustier.top
vneck.top
blouse.top

for obvious reasons

travelinsurance.top
for great keyword


lea.name
just like it

sunshine.party
love it

will reg:
xxxxx.store
and
xxxxx.shop
for great keywords

looking for cheapest best registar
 
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I suppose I'm not below 1%, but .com is the vast majority of my portfolio and I own a couple dozen new G's, and I keep buying, so what makes me buy?

They're kinda cool.

I haven't been domaining for very long, but one of the reasons I got in is because I like words. Some new G's are trash, and there's a risk that the trash will bring down the decent ones too. But companies are using them, no doubt, and I think they are using them for two key reasons:

- availability (duh)
- memorability

And for a startup, both are pretty darn important. Sure, if you're the next 1B+ unicorn, you'll pay whatever you have to for your .com. But if you're not, or the .com is already in use, or you can't get it for less than six figures, you're gonna look for alternatives.

I think a solid nG is a very viable and memorable alternative to a .com that's not available, and I would argue some nGs are more viable and valuable than tagging words like "get" or "try" to your name to get the .com.

I buy two kinds of names:

- combinations that are usually registered in 50+ extensions, with the .com long gone/off the market/unlikely to be for sale for less than mid-five figures.

For instance, I recently got mind/space. Renewal isn't low, ~$250. But there are hundreds of companies using that name, and some not so small ones. I think it's great value. Different examples are steak/house or brooklyn/property.
I think they are all hugely memorable and usable.

- cool combos on the drop that can be picked up for cheap, like copyright/claims. Only when I can get them for less than $20-30.

Some extensions only have a handful of viable combinations, and if they can be had for a low premium or none at all, I think they're great value.

I think it's early days for the top .1% of nGs (or could be .01%, or .001). To most people on this forum, .com is the only obvious winner. But younger generations experience the internet differently, and don't call each other up to talk about visiting a website, or type it after hearing it on the radio. So I still see opportunity in good combinations.

It's a gamble, but all domaining is and has been if you weren't there to buy in the 90s.
 
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I suppose I'm not below 1%, but .com is the vast majority of my portfolio and I own a couple dozen new G's, and I keep buying, so what makes me buy?

They're kinda cool.

I haven't been domaining for very long, but one of the reasons I got in is because I like words. Some new G's are trash, and there's a risk that the trash will bring down the decent ones too. But companies are using them, no doubt, and I think they are using them for two key reasons:

- availability (duh)
- memorability

And for a startup, both are pretty darn important. Sure, if you're the next 1B+ unicorn, you'll pay whatever you have to for your .com. But if you're not, or the .com is already in use, or you can't get it for less than six figures, you're gonna look for alternatives.

I think a solid nG is a very viable and memorable alternative to a .com that's not available, and I would argue some nGs are more viable and valuable than tagging words like "get" or "try" to your name to get the .com.

I buy two kinds of names:

- combinations that are usually registered in 50+ extensions, with the .com long gone/off the market/unlikely to be for sale for less than mid-five figures.

For instance, I recently got mind/space. Renewal isn't low, ~$250. But there are hundreds of companies using that name, and some not so small ones. I think it's great value. Different examples are steak/house or brooklyn/property.
I think they are all hugely memorable and usable.

- cool combos on the drop that can be picked up for cheap, like copyright/claims. Only when I can get them for less than $20-30.

Some extensions only have a handful of viable combinations, and if they can be had for a low premium or none at all, I think they're great value.

I think it's early days for the top .1% of nGs (or could be .01%, or .001). To most people on this forum, .com is the only obvious winner. But younger generations experience the internet differently, and don't call each other up to talk about visiting a website, or type it after hearing it on the radio. So I still see opportunity in good combinations.

It's a gamble, but all domaining is and has been if you weren't there to buy in the 90s.

So at what point are you no longer dabbling? :xf.laugh:

I have over 1k domains and 1 new gtld so I consider myself in the dabbling group for sure.
I usually sit by the sidelines on the new gTLD's because I think the target audience is too low.
 
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My recent nTLD sale was for $5K.
Purchased by US company.

p.s. I'm VERY SOFTCORE domainer according to the mentioned classification.
 
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I dabble in one word .org names currently , but they have to fit the .org extension well, I only have 5 currently, sold 3 of them last year.

My reasoning for dabbling with one word .org , they sell to end users with non profit startups pretty well, otherwise I would dabble in them, no interest in any other extensions except .com and an occasional.org
 
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@MapleDots nice thread, but I think you should "dabble" into new gTLDs 2-3 years ago, when it made sense, and you could get great names for very cheap - so instead (or in addition to) of buying 1-2 .ca names for 5k each, you could build beautiful, low cost renewal, high quality new gTLD portfolio with those 10k, and be many times in profit by now, while still holding lot of beautifil names.

In 2019, it is already missed boat in most cases - opportunity missed. I myself am having large difficulty to find anything really now, which would match my criteria.

Imo :)
 
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@MapleDots nice thread, but I think you should "dabble" into new gTLDs 2-3 years ago, when it made sense, and you could get great names for very cheap - so instead (or in addition to) of buying 1-2 .ca names for 5k each, you could build beautiful, low cost renewal, high quality new gTLD portfolio with those 10k, and be many times in profit by now, while still holding lot of beautifil names.

In 2019, it is already missed boat in most cases - opportunity missed. I myself am having large difficulty to find anything really now, which would match my criteria.

Imo :)

HeHe.... you can buy .monster or .baby anytime if you need more.

You're missing the point of the topic, I'm asking hard core .com domainers if they have ever dabbled in the new gTLD's and if so what made them do that.

It would give some insights why domainers that would ordinarily not buy gTLD's sometimes make an exception. Very similar to the .com King going out and buying a few .app's, he saw potential in that extension even though he is hard core .com all the way.
 
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Good topic @MapleDots as I have wondered & asked others and never really got much of a reason, which is fair (to me) as I have kind of the same attitude.

With the handful I do have - (note) I picked up because I thought they were a good compliment to my biz (e.g. DomainName-help &DotCom-Domains) & the others are the matching to a short .com name (e.g. TerpHelp-com & Terp-Help, & an few more).

I am coming to find an interest in them, very selectively, when the .com is mine and it a compliment/advert tool to the .com. But that doesnt mean I am looking for more, less than 1% by far it will stay, but I do look for interesting "packaging".
 
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Dabbling.. hmm. First comes .love then comes the .wedding, then comes the .baby.. before you now it, you've got a .monster or two and you need a bigger .house
 
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Dabbling.. hmm. First comes .love then comes the .wedding, then comes the .baby.. before you now it, you've got a .monster or two and you need a bigger .house

Hehe, not without a .loan. 😅😄😃
 
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I am mostly in .com and ,org but a fair amount of dabbling starting last month in particular.

Interesting Observation on Search Results Involving Best

I understand a number of members are sceptical or negative on the .BEST extension, or else wondering how it could possibly have value from search engines. This is a short explanation on that one issue.

If you search for a phrase like this example (which I have good reason to believe is a popular subject):

>>> best small loans (in G without quotes) you will see About 226,000,000 results.

However if you search for the reverse word order and a significantly less common way of searching:

>>> small loans best (in G without quotes) you will see About 677,000,000 results.

Isn't that both interesting and amazing!! Any thoughts on the subject?
 
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I have refrained from commenting in this thread since I don't meet the qualifications that @MapleDots set as OP. I would have hoped to see more answers because I think it is interesting to know how many have a few, and for those who do, whether it is because they really like an extension, they do it as diversification of investment, or they do it to protect/enhance legacy names they might own (like the OP). Hope by posting this it helps bump the thread so a few more answers from legacy investors are posted.
Bob
 
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I have refrained from commenting in this thread since I don't meet the qualifications that @MapleDots set as OP. I would have hoped to see more answers because I think it is interesting to know how many have a few, and for those who do, whether it is because they really like an extension, they do it as diversification of investment, or they do it to protect/enhance legacy names they might own (like the OP). Hope by posting this it helps bump the thread so a few more answers from legacy investors are posted.
Bob

You are a valued member, and I very much enjoy reading your posts, feel free to comment anytime. (y)
 
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Thanks for creating this MapleDots. I was going to post sooner, but haven't had much time and I knew I wanted to really put some thought into this, and now that my renewals are due, what better time?

This is something I've been contemplating for several years now... Why did I do this?

What it came down to for me was fear-of-missing-out and buying in areas where I had some interest or saw actual use by businesses (.solar). I paid $100+ for early registration on a few of these.

I previously had about 75-80 gTLDs, but now it is 51, which is 0.7% of my total domains.

After 5 years I've had a total of 1 offer of $1,000 on a .solar domain and the buyer backed out. For me, at this point it really makes no sense to hold onto them. They are all what I call "boat anchors" and if my boat was much smaller, it would be sinking.
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It costs me $1,428 per year to renew these 51 domains that have been supported by my .com sales. If I decided to take that $1,428, I could buy 100 .com domains in 4-5 days for $1,300 and pretty much guarantee that I'll statistically sell around 1.5 of them for about $2,100 total within 12 months. That is $1,400 per year in renewals. I could even let them drop and be better off. Airplane tickets to Hawaii anyone?

I've had most of these for 5 years. If you compare this to when .com came out, it would be the equivalent to around the year 2002. By 2002, I think you would've easily received some offers on toydirectory//com, simplesolar//com, or reliablesolar//com, yet toy//directory, simple//solar, & reliable//solar and the other 75 names (including the ones I've dropped) had zero interest. But guess what, it isn't 2002! It is 2019, and we all have a personal computer in our pocket now and yet these still get ZERO interest. Can someone really say that the word hasn't gotten out yet about gTLD with twitter, facebook, youtube, and everything else that didn't exist in 2002?

For .com, I haven't lost money in any year since I started regularly in 2005. There hasn't even been a 4 month period that I've lost money. Just last year I bought another 1,200 domains in a 3 month period and that batch produced around $20,000 in sales in 12 months. So to me, it is really peculiar that for .com I can buy them in any year including TODAY, and make money. But I am so bad at picking gTLDs that I lost money every year, and couldn't sell 1, with 15 years of experience. I've even sold a hyphenated .com within 5 years for $2,875, and I wouldn't touch hyphenated names any longer.

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When my last batch of .solar and other gTLDs were expiring, I offered them at around $100 to exact match companies with the long versions of the same name in .com. So they might have gensolarenergy//com and still they have no interest in gen//solar. I even sent them photos of Vivint Solar vehicles and how they used their .solar. Vivint Solar bought .solar early on and put vivint.solar on all their vehicles, which made me think it would be a viable gTLD since there were companies doing it, but it just hasn't caught on with other solar installers.

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Here is an estimate of where things would be at if I had put $1,300 towards buying 100 .com domains 5 years ago instead of "investing" in boat anchors. This is based off of actual statistics of my 7,000+ .com domains.

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So, while this post has been a downer for me in some ways. At least I know what I'll be doing over the next 12 months. Same goes for 90% of my .net domains. For me, it has been impossible to go wrong with .com and .org (org related .orgs!) and impossible for me to make $1 with a single gTLDs. My "boat anchors" will be "sleepin' with the fishes", as mobsters say.

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Reflecting on the gTLDs, once I cut all the for-profit domains I'll probably keep a handful like:

valuable.name
toy.directory
toys.directory
hobby.directory
ebusiness.directory (maybe)
gifts.directory

For me gTLDs will mainly be used for personal projects and I'll probably never exceed 10 gTLDs again.

As for being a means of "investing", I had a user contact me today about the .party extension and they had the question that if a particular [somephrase]party.com was worth $xx,xxx, then what would [somephrase].party be worth?

I answered this in the following way:

While anything is possible, I think the more likely answer is unfortunately contained in my NamePros post above.

Some statistics. There are 6,591 .solar registrations and there are 3 reported sales, ever...That is 0.046% that resold for any amount for all years (not close to even 1/10th of 1%). With 0% ever selling over $500.

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Similarly, but even worse, there are 62,653 .party registrations and there were 15 reported sales, ever...That is 0.024% that resold for any amount at any time, with 1 domain out of 62,653 that sold for over $500. Not only that, but they have a $20+ registration and renewal fee. It is more accurate to say that 1 domain sold for over $500 out of over 250,612 registrations and renewals (62,653 * 4 years).



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I looked at my local lottery and they have a daily prize of $4,500+ and you have a 1 in 10,000 chance of winning, rather than a 1 in 250,612 chance of winning.

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Today, while trying to fire-sale my remaining .solar names I came across the most simple reality of the gTLD situation. See below. A business would rather run off a horrible ".com" domain, in order to promote their great ".solar" domain. So if you are buying gTLDs because you like them, great. If you are buying as "investments" like I was...don't. The .party is over now.


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I wouldn't use them as an example. Look at their 800 number. They just suck at branding. Doesn't mean their product sucks, though.

Some businesses simply don't require a good name to be functional nor profitable. They don;t reuqire the memorable exposure. I think that's the harsh reality. How to tap into this market? I see it as a challenge, not a hindrance. The .party has barely begun.
 
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homesdotsolar.com

Really.... come on, you can add a million better combinations

They are using 3 words so technically you could add a much better word than "dot"

With 3 words the possibilities are endless, it's only with two words that it's a bit of a struggle but even then you can take a generic word and add solar and chances are after a number of attempts you would find a pretty decent match.

Of course since I have bought maple domains the MapleSolar (for Canada) has been bought up by Huge Domains. They have been pilfering my Maples for a number of years now. But it gives you an example of how to add a generic word.
 
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I wouldn't use them as an example. Look at their 800 number. They just suck at branding. Doesn't mean their product sucks, though.

Some businesses simply don't require a good name to be functional nor profitable. They don;t reuqire the memorable exposure. I think that's the harsh reality. How to tap into this market? I see it as a challenge, not a hindrance. The .party has barely begun.


By all means, party like it's 1999. This party cost me $28,000+ and I didn't even get a t-shirt. Only a rich person can afford these types of domains, and I like money more than I liked the party.

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I just found Rick's video podcast for the first time today. He explains it much more simply in the videos below. Very useful to all of us.

https://twitter.com/DomainKing/status/1125703196377276416

https://twitter.com/DomainKing/status/1128254907318964224

https://twitter.com/DomainKing/status/1128325687784484866
 
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If I could speculate correct I would have done everything different. I used to own newextension etc and would promote New.net through registerfly which was partnered with Netscape browsers so you could have dot xxx back in early 2000s. This was nothing official as a gTLD but it worked. I was also around for the dot tv boom and fall and now growing again. I keep coming back to same thought domain buyers end users are not domainers and they pay what they perceive as value. Look at how many cc domains have been sold on keywords and for how much these were not domainers. Domains don't just sell themselves listing a domain at high price is often wishful thinking but you can't sell for a number higher than an advertised price. Domains sold for high figures were not generally advertised they are inbound type ins or targeted outbound email asking for that initial offer.

What I am getting at is I have dabbled and lost before with other extensions but it doesn't deter me as I realise it is the domain sales person that is the one that closed the sale made the money. The merit of the domain is the perceived value. That said true sounding type ins will sell if you have them you just need to convince the customer to hand over the money. As long as I see crap domains sold for big money I know that there are better sales people than the average domainers that buy and wait. Wording and negotiating money is a whole other skill buying the ripper domain is the easy part.
 
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As long as I see crap domains sold for big money I know that there are better sales people than the average domainers that buy and wait.

People are getting smarter about domains and their representation on the internet. Whole companies are naming themselves after they acquire a feasible domain. It is no longer just about selling the domain, one must have a decent inventory. If one owns crap then you can talk about fruits and vegetables all day but in the end you can still only sell crap.

So yes, you have a good point....

Sales was and is important, but proper inventory is still king.
 
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