Services similar to Efty?

Haris · May 6, 2019

Hello everyone

I am looking for services similar to Efty but less costly. Not saying Efty is too expensive. I have been paying $84 for the past 2 or 3 years, but just because I can no longer use PayPal (The reason why I don't auction on NP anymore), I will be charged the new price of $144 for the same service. That's how Efty's system is and Doron can't change it.

So are there any services similar to Efty (Not ToughDomains)?

I used Bodis landing pages before I came across Efty, they are obviously not as good but they're totally free and has escrow.com integration, from what I can remember.

What I would like in the service:

1) Unlimited domains is better but at least 500 is fine.
2) A main webpage where I can showcase the best domains, it's not necessary because buyers would probably care for a contact form on the landing page and not a main site but I think it's better to have a main page.
3) SSL
4) Payment integration ( not really necessary though)
5) Cost less than $100 per year.

The rest of the services offered by Efty are not important to me.

Thanks!

Haris · May 7, 2019

karmaco said:
Did Efty tell you you were going to pay $144? I am also grandfathered into the $84 dollar yearly rate and have not heard about a price hike for grandfathered accounts.

There is no price hike for grandfathered accounts.

I was using PayPal to pay for Efty because my bank at that time didn't support recurring payments and Efty didn't allow us to pay manually like we pay for domains and stuff so they allowed me to use PayPal for recurring payments. Now I can no longer use PayPal and asked them to change my payment method to my bank which now supports recurring payments but Doron says if I change my payment method I will have to start a new subscription and I will have to pay the new fee of $144 even though I am an old customer. I don't think Efty is worth $144 per year.

Haris · May 7, 2019

Thanks to all that recommended WordPress, I tried it before I started using Efty and I found it to be a headache. I figured paying $84 for Efty and saving hours of work is the better deal.

To those recommending Undeveloped, To me Undeveloped is a place similar to AfterNic and Sedo, I put BIN prices on there but don't use them for landing pages, I would land my domains at a place where I don't have to pay commission other than Escrow. Thanks anyways.

@TCK Thanks for sharing your site, I will look into it.

TCK · May 7, 2019

Haris said:
There is no price hike for grandfathered accounts.

I was using PayPal to pay for Efty because my bank at that time didn't support recurring payments and Efty didn't allow us to pay manually like we pay for domains and stuff so they allowed me to use PayPal for recurring payments. Now I can no longer use PayPal and asked them to change my payment method to my bank which now supports recurring payments but Doron says if I change my payment method I will have to start a new subscription and I will have to pay the new fee of $144 even though I am an old customer. I don't think Efty is worth $144 per year.

If you have less than 500 domains you can pay 7 per month or 84 per year on the DMP platform. On top of that we are offering 10% discount for all Np members. Talk to me to arrange a payment method that works for you.

Haris · May 7, 2019

Rob Monster said:
You can do all of this at Epik for free:

- Domain management is free, including for external domains
- NamePros members can park external domains for free
- SSL certificates are now included free with parking landers. See example here.
- Integrated payment processing and escrow

The new SSL Epik parking landers also look great on mobile devices.

As for inquiries, we route the full contact details -- whatever the inquiring party gives us is transmitted to the buyer. The seller has the option of completing their sale through.

Detailed instructions are here:

https://www.epik.com/support/knowledgebase/selling-and-leasing-domains-on-epik/
https://www.epik.com/support/knowledgebase/enable-a-coming-soon-or-domain-parking-page/
https://www.epik.com/support/knowledgebase/creating-and-managing-a-custom-marketplace-portal/

For parking external domains for PPC, we do have to approve you. Other than that, anyone can do this today, for free, at Epik.

Thanks Rob, I think Epik has covered all the aspects of domaining so that a domainer never has to use any other service. haha. Never knew Epik has nice landers.

There is no fees at all for the marketplace and landing pages right? And we can use any other payment method we wish no matter the domain is at Epik or any other registrar?

Thanks!

Ruhi Angel · May 7, 2019

Investigate sites and applications like Domain Holder, all proposed and positioned by the Etty builds area name leads, deals and income, and makes arranging

TCK · May 7, 2019

@offthehandle, you have raised a lot of points that are important to address. Thank you for that. I will try to address each point individually.

Steven McEvoy said:
This is completely one sided bogus B.S. information.

offthehandle said:
Agree. No need to subscribe, no need to pay someone to do this WP stuff. I have nothing to sell or any axe to grind and before domaining, very little experience in Wordpress or Content management platforms.

I still don’t understand what the bogus/bs info is.

When you get hosting you are already subscribing to a service, which is part and parcel if you want to host your WP site.

If you don’t have Web development knowledge then you have no choice but to hire a developer, who may be reliable or disappear without warning.

If you are building websites with little to no experience in WP or another open-source CMS then you are more than likely wide open to security vulnerabilities, guaranteed. When your site has low to no traffic then you may be okay. But having “very little experience” is not a confidence builder.

When you point your domains to sales pages then you are significantly increasing traffic to your site and increasing chances of attacks. Because you don’t know if any specific domain was on the radar of hackers or can eventually become one.

offthehandle said:
The key to all this is getting traffic to your domains. Zero or no traffic unless you buy traffic domains pointed to your site or cloak pbn’s- which is an entirely different topic and in depth thing.

The key is not just getting traffic but converting the traffic. At DMP we are studying and improving domain sales and landing pages to increase conversion.

Conversion can be in the form of sales or inquiries.

Traffic to your marketplace can be type-in, come from 3rd party marketplaces, or SEO links. But it is important that you forward your domains to sales pages. You don’t want to do SEO for free to get more traffic to 3rd party marketplaces, right?

offthehandle said:
The downside with third party platforms is you give up control. You use their nameservers and they don't give you exact stats (Location of ip, etc.) that you can see like you do in AWstats in cPanel or stats plug-ins. They also don't give you any SEO advantage, so why not create your own?

I had Efty, Doron is a super nice guy it is nice with landing pages and for managing expiration dates, but no SEO and no detailed stats like if you have your own cPanel- so for me, no further interest.

This is not necessarily true. It depends on the platform. Domain Market Pro gives you total control and SEO tools. You can integrate 3rd party analytics code like Google Analytics, Webmaster Tools, or Matomo. Also customize nearly every aspect of the marketplace.

DMP also gives you the option of using your custom nameservers.

With DMP you don’t give up control. You get more control than possible with just hosting and open source CMS that needs to be customized.

offthehandle said:
Shared hosting is cheap, you can get it now for $26 a year I noticed on Namecheap just last week, I have one site with 40K pages there works fine.
https://www.namecheap.com/hosting/shared/

I find it hard to believe that you have a site with 40K pages on hosting that costs $26 per year. Even unlimited hosting would not allow that since it would exceed the inode limit.

offthehandle said:
I pay $115 a year on another host and 4 WP sites (no more than that within their bandwidth allowed) and 96 html pages, 100 total and great spam free email service from my host I have used many years, they answer phone 24 hrs too.

Those are very small sites and likely very low traffic. Probably don’t require a lot support.

If you have 500 domains then you will have 500+ HTML pages. You can multiply that by the number of domains in your portfolio.

The more domains you have pointing to your sales pages, the more traffic and possibility of brute force and DDOS attacks.

offthehandle said:
Wordpress itself is free and fast to install and fairly simple, great free themes and I don’t pay for many plugins. You don't need many plug in's anyway.

Once you do the basic WP install, then what?

WordPress is not free when you consider the costs of hosting, premium themes, premium plugins, customization, and support.

Free plugins and themes are dangerous as the code is not well written and have vulnerabilities.

To make a good impression and build a solid brand you need to invest in premium themes and plugins.

offthehandle said:
Easiest is point all your domains to one WP site, batch 301 all domains at your registrar (If they have it, Godaddy is really a lame interface btw- NS and NB are great) to the same contact page or home page, no need for separate pages. This isn't difficult, nor time consuming. In 2 years, I have installed 50 + WP sites with no help or instruction just common sense.

How would you redirect hundreds or thousands of domains to their individual sales pages on a WP site easily and how would the average domainer know how to do this?

offthehandle said:
One word of caution, the bot world is crazy. Wordfence is a mandatory install within say 15 minutes after a softalicous auto install of WP. Don't delay. You will can get hacked, I know as once I left a new site overnight, next day in 12 hrs I had some ISIS terrorist bullsh*t page installed by a hacker and ruined the install. Simply deleted and reinstalled. No big deal.

First off, you should not use auto install for WP. And 15 minutes after the auto install the site is attacked? This shows how great the danger of hack attacks on WP sites really is. If you have a site with a lot of content that you built over many months or years, it will be a huge deal if it is hacked.

And when you have hundreds to thousands of domains pointing to your WP sales site you increase the risk substantially of getting attacked.

At Domain Market Pro we made security a priority to ensure that your marketplaces are protected.

Abdullah Abdullah · May 7, 2019

offthehandle said:
Agree. No need to subscribe, no need to pay someone to do this WP stuff. I have nothing to sell or any axe to grind and before domaining, very little experience in Wordpress or Content management platforms.

The key to all this is getting traffic to your domains. Zero or no traffic unless you buy traffic domains pointed to your site or cloak pbn’s- which is an entirely different topic and in depth thing.

The downside with third party platforms is you give up control. You use their nameservers and they don't give you exact stats (Location of ip, etc.) that you can see like you do in AWstats in cPanel or stats plug-ins. They also don't give you any SEO advantage, so why not create your own?

I had Efty, Doron is a super nice guy it is nice with landing pages and for managing expiration dates, but no SEO and no detailed stats like if you have your own cPanel- so for me, no further interest.

Shared hosting is cheap, you can get it now for $26 a year I noticed on Namecheap just last week, I have one site with 40K pages there works fine.
https://www.namecheap.com/hosting/shared/

I pay $115 a year on another host and 4 WP sites (no more than that within their bandwidth allowed) and 96 html pages, 100 total and great spam free email service from my host I have used many years, they answer phone 24 hrs too.

Wordpress itself is free and fast to install and fairly simple, great free themes and I don’t pay for many plugins. You don't need many plug in's anyway.

Easiest is point all your domains to one WP site, batch 301 all domains at your registrar (If they have it, Godaddy is really a lame interface btw- NS and NB are great) to the same contact page or home page, no need for separate pages. This isn't difficult, nor time consuming. In 2 years, I have installed 50 + WP sites with no help or instruction just common sense.

One word of caution, the bot world is crazy. Wordfence is a mandatory install within say 15 minutes after a softalicous auto install of WP. Don't delay. You will can get hacked, I know as once I left a new site overnight, next day in 12 hrs I had some ISIS terrorist bullsh*t page installed by a hacker and ruined the install. Simply deleted and reinstalled. No big deal.

One page html templates, I recently went back to that for some domains- takes 2 hours to collect photos and write content. In cPanel just put in add on domains.

Dm me if you want help, I have nothing to sell here.

Use only a few plug ins. Some updates are a nuisance and constant, but it only takes 5 minutes to update, so dump those plugin's that update too often- some rarely like Contact form 7 have few updates.
If you don't use Yoast, then you won't be bothered- those people constantly require it- it's a game with some freebies. So does a stats plug in I am getting ready to deactivate.

Go snoop on websites you like, and then use this site to find out plug ins they use:

https://www.wpthemedetector.com/

All anyone needs on a wp install is:

Contact form 7
Visitor Stats plug in
Jetpack or Yoast if you worry about their crap or ideas (I am a non-believer)
404 to 301 redirect (If domain has prior traffic, backlinks or you intend to erase pages)
bot's blocker or do it in the .htacess file- block nuisance ip's or entire countries

Thank you very much , I know that website, also the other one, whatthemeisthat. Yoast requires updates all the time but Jackpack is word. Wordfence is also very important. I dont really understand how quickly Wordpress installations are targeted.

Abdullah Abdullah · May 7, 2019

TCK said:
@offthehandle, you have raised a lot of points that are important to address. Thank you for that. I will try to address each point individually.

I still don’t understand what the bogus/bs info is.

When you get hosting you are already subscribing to a service, which is part and parcel if you want to host your WP site.

If you don’t have Web development knowledge then you have no choice but to hire a developer, who may be reliable or disappear without warning.

If you are building websites with little to no experience in WP or another open-source CMS then you are more than likely wide open to security vulnerabilities, guaranteed. When your site has low to no traffic then you may be okay. But having “very little experience” is not a confidence builder.

When you point your domains to sales pages then you are significantly increasing traffic to your site and increasing chances of attacks. Because you don’t know if any specific domain was on the radar of hackers or can eventually become one.

The key is not just getting traffic but converting the traffic. At DMP we are studying and improving domain sales and landing pages to increase conversion.

Conversion can be in the form of sales or inquiries.

Traffic to your marketplace can be type-in, come from 3rd party marketplaces, or SEO links. But it is important that you forward your domains to sales pages. You don’t want to do SEO for free to get more traffic to 3rd party marketplaces, right?

This is not necessarily true. It depends on the platform. Domain Market Pro gives you total control and SEO tools. You can integrate 3rd party analytics code like Google Analytics, Webmaster Tools, or Matomo. Also customize nearly every aspect of the marketplace.

DMP also gives you the option of using your custom nameservers.

With DMP you don’t give up control. You get more control than possible with just hosting and open source CMS that needs to be customized.

I find it hard to believe that you have a site with 40K pages on hosting that costs $26 per year. Even unlimited hosting would not allow that since it would exceed the inode limit.

Those are very small sites and likely very low traffic. Probably don’t require a lot support.

If you have 500 domains then you will have 500+ HTML pages. You can multiply that by the number of domains in your portfolio.

The more domains you have pointing to your sales pages, the more traffic and possibility of brute force and DDOS attacks.

Once you do the basic WP install, then what?

WordPress is not free when you consider the costs of hosting, premium themes, premium plugins, customization, and support.

Free plugins and themes are dangerous as the code is not well written and have vulnerabilities.

To make a good impression and build a solid brand you need to invest in premium themes and plugins.

How would you redirect hundreds or thousands of domains to their individual sales pages on a WP site easily and how would the average domainer know how to do this?

First off, you should not use auto install for WP. And 15 minutes after the auto install the site is attacked? This shows how great the danger of hack attacks on WP sites really is. If you have a site with a lot of content that you built over many months or years, it will be a huge deal if it is hacked.

And when you have hundreds to thousands of domains pointing to your WP sales site you increase the risk substantially of getting attacked.

At Domain Market Pro we made security a priority to ensure that your marketplaces are protected.

Just started a free trial. Looks great really and I dont really think you have to defend your system against Wordpress. It is not even the same and I am liking what I am seeing in the dashboard so far.

karmaco · May 7, 2019

Haris said:
There is no price hike for grandfathered accounts.

I was using PayPal to pay for Efty because my bank at that time didn't support recurring payments and Efty didn't allow us to pay manually like we pay for domains and stuff so they allowed me to use PayPal for recurring payments. Now I can no longer use PayPal and asked them to change my payment method to my bank which now supports recurring payments but Doron says if I change my payment method I will have to start a new subscription and I will have to pay the new fee of $144 even though I am an old customer. I don't think Efty is worth $144 per year.

Well that is a crock. You should be able to change your payment method.

Jv1999 · May 7, 2019

karmaco said:
Well that is a crock. You should be able to change your payment method.

Time to @efty.

TCK · May 7, 2019

Abdullah Abdullah said:
Just started a free trial. Looks great really and I dont really think you have to defend your system against Wordpress. It is not even the same and I am liking what I am seeing in the dashboard so far.

Thanks, Abdullah. Glad you like the platform.

WP is one of the popular options used to build sales/portfolio sites and if it is working for you then by all means keep using it. But if you go down that road then you should be well informed of what lies ahead. In fact, we created a page that compares DMP to WP here:

https://domainmarketpro.com/features/

Abdullah Abdullah · May 7, 2019

TCK said:
Thanks, Abdullah. Glad you like the platform.

WP is one of the popular options used to build sales/portfolio sites and if it is working for you then by all means keep using it. But if you go down that road then you should be well informed of what lies ahead. In fact, we created a page that compares DMP to WP here:

https://domainmarketpro.com/features/

Now that is a comparison, your system killed it there.. I am definetly going to purchase it in the next few days for one of the two main packages as I plan to start a different shop with different domains purposes.

offthehandle · May 7, 2019

First of all, you are attempting to make this sound as though it so difficult for the average person to do, that they should simply buy your service, I get it. It's your sales pitch, but I am not selling anything and don't like reading these types of threads and always the pundit here on the forum. I have nothing to sell, I don't even sell domains here on this forum nor have any business angle.

TCK said:
If you don’t have Web development knowledge then you have no choice but to hire a developer, who may be reliable or disappear without warning.

Sorry but you make it sound too difficult on purpose. I am self taught and have never taken any computing classes, and to me it's all intuitive and should be for other people who have some experience. Sure, if you are targeting neophytes who just bought their first Apple phone and have a "Get rich" idea on selling domains, well nope, those people are exempt from this conversation. Meanwhile many people here know how to register domains, change nameservers, do 301's, etc.

Besides that, Wordpress tutorials are everywhere, Free themes that are easy to use are too, and the info can be short like this one: step by step.

https://www.wpbeginner.com/guides/

I didn't use it or review it, but like everything just google it and it's out there. Plus people get new experience and learn a new skill. cPanel use is invaluable for stats.

TCK said:
you are more than likely wide open to security vulnerabilities, guaranteed.

Another thing, this is a scare tactic. Not installing wordfence immediately, sure. Use it and the percentage risk drops really low, the directory transversal scrapers get booted immediately, and you set it to block them after 3 failed attempts at "brute force" attacks. I have nearly a 4 million visits on several of my sites, using long strange automated generated passwords works well. Wordfence is great, and so is putting entire country blocks in .htaccess from here- for free. Ban China, Poland, Ban Majestic, ban Ahrefs, etc - and all of Russia and Ukraine. Ban all of IP's from the AWS ghetto too, many of the scraper VPS shithole people live there.

https://www.countryipblocks.net/acl.php

TCK said:
You don’t want to do SEO for free to get more traffic to 3rd party marketplaces, right?

But forwarding domains to your service gives YOU the traffic, same thing, no?

TCK said:
I find it hard to believe that you have a site with 40K pages on hosting that costs $26 per year. Even unlimited hosting would not allow that since it would exceed the inode limit.

Well believe it, screen shots.

TCK said:
How would you redirect hundreds or thousands of domains to their individual sales pages on a WP site easily and how would the average domainer know how to do this?

You can batch/bulk Nameservers or 301's within minutes at namebright as I said. This is so simple.

TCK said:
You can integrate 3rd party analytics code like Google Analytics,

Google is the enemy I never use their tools avoid them like the plague. Their bot knows when you install wordpress or a new domain within an hour, no need to tell it.

TCK said:
First off, you should not use auto install for WP. And 15 minutes after the auto install the site is attacked? This shows how great the danger of hack attacks on WP sites really is. If you have a site with a lot of content that you built over many months or years, it will be a huge deal if it is hacked.

Yea, right. Softalicious is great, like I said used it 50 times. I put wordfence on within minutes usually anymore I can put up a wordpress site in less than 30 minutes. Again you attempting to bring fear and scare tactics and this is simple propaganda.

Hopefully this helps someone with Wordpress in the future, so they don't need to waste their money and traffic.

TCK · May 7, 2019

@offthehandle, I have repeated many times that I think WP is a very good piece of software and that if you find that it works for you then keep using it. I've been very clear about that.

I am only speaking from experience working with WP and a wide variety of clients over my 20 years in the business. I started in Web development in the late 90's.

I have seen sites hacked, including my own, and fixed them for clients. It's just an unfortunate reality of the world we live in. And it doesn't matter if it's WP, some other open-source CMS, or a custom built website. They are all targeted, especially if they become popular.

We've had clients switch to Domain Market Pro because their custom-built sites got hacked and it was just more cost-effective.

The truth of the matter is that with open-source CMS's, although being great, the source code is available to the whole world, including bad players. That's why they are updated so frequently. And the updates can cause other plugins to break.

Free themes and plugins often times have poorly written code with vulnerabilities and many are abandoned after some time. This is also a fact.

I just wanted to correct you on this misleading statement:

offthehandle said:
But forwarding domains to your service gives YOU the traffic, same thing, no?

Domain Market Pro allows you to build a marketplace on your own domain and forward via DNS all your domains to sales pages or landing pages on your marketplace, not to DMP.

So you benefit from the traffic from your domains. And if you decide to move your site from the DMP platform then all the traffic and SEO gains go along with you.

We don't benefit from any of the traffic from your domains. You and only you, benefit from that traffic.

In fact, the very first box on the home page reads:

Benefit From YOUR Domain Traffic
Stop sending valuable traffic from your domains to mainstream marketplaces. Utilize your portfolio's traffic and have these other sites send traffic to you. Monetize, sell, generate leads.

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