The LLLL.com sales and discussion thread

I'm getting more inquiries for my LLLLs in the past two months. Today I sold EZXR•COM on AFTERNIC for $3900 (net proceeds $3120). It was a BIN. I hand registered on 5/20/12 so I had $68 invested in this name.

abcproductions said:

I hand registered on 5/20/12 so I had $68 invested in this name.

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2012? I find that hard to believe. I don't recall hearing about LLLL.com drops going back to around 2008.

I'll have to take your word for it, but it had to have been some sort of fluke or a one in 456,000 kind of thing.

Congratulations on the sale, that fetched a nice price.

forge said:

2012? I find that hard to believe

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Whois: Registered 2012-05-20

abcproductions said:

I'm getting more inquiries for my LLLLs in the past two months. Today I sold EZXR•COM on AFTERNIC for $3900 (net proceeds $3120). It was a BIN. I hand registered on 5/20/12 so I had $68 invested in this name.

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I must have picked up on a drop, eBay or Snap.

Just posting this link to an old thread in case someone has any additional content pertaining to LLLL.com "buyout" history. It would be interesting if some kind of timeline could be established. I found another somewhat related thread from 2007 though not posting it here.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/the-llll-com-buyout-status-has-investors-worried.595507/

abcproductions said:

sold EZXR•COM on AFTERNIC for $3900

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Congrats on that sale

be interesting to see what buyer does with it
might have something to do with iPhone XR

imo...

forge said:

Just posting this link to an old thread in case someone has any additional content pertaining to LLLL.com "buyout" history. It would be interesting if some kind of timeline could be established. I found another somewhat related thread from 2007 though not posting it here.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/the-llll-com-buyout-status-has-investors-worried.595507/

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Here's a bit of insight on the history of LLLL.coms since the buyout

The LLLL.com buyout happened on November 2, 2007 (NamePros countdown thread).

After that, prices on the aftermarket rose quickly and hit a peak in Feb 2008 when the minimum price got to ~$50 for any LLLL.com.

By mid 2008 prices had fallen off quite a bit, the US was in the middle of what would be known as the Great Recession, and the stock market dropped off heavily after summer. With a bunch of renewals coming up on the anniversary of the buyout, things were not looking great.

As buyout LLLL.coms neared expiration, many owners sold for well under reg fee instead of dropping (some sold on ebay for 1 cent with just days left on registration). There were enough buyers to eat up all the inventory and renew for another year, and the buyout ended up holding.

For the next several years prices remained low for the worst LLLL.coms, with many purchased on drops or expired auctions for winnings bids of $10-15. There were occasionally days with a lot of drops, where not everything would be caught by the auction houses, and they could be scooped up by domainers with scripts. I seem to remember a day or two where there were actually a couple LLLL.coms that were available to hand register an hour or so after the drop. But essentially, the buyout has held ever since 2007 as far as I'm aware.

By 2014 China had started investing in LLLL.coms, and they really began pouring money into the market in 2015 which is when people took notice, and the concept of the Chip (no aeiouv) was born. Prices went crazy in the whole short domain market, and by the end of 2015 the minimum price hit ~$300 for any LLLL.com.

The bubble popped a couple months into 2016, and prices began to decline to where they are today, when the minimum price sit at ~$100 (where it has held steady for about a year now).

It's been a wild 12 years. I wonder what the next 12 have in store for LLLL.coms...

rpanella said:

The LLLL.com buyout happened on November 2, 2007 (NamePros countdown thread).

After that, prices on the aftermarket rose quickly and hit a peak in Feb 2008 when the minimum price got to ~$50 for any LLLL.com.

By mid 2008 prices had fallen off quite a bit, the US was in the middle of what would be known as the Great Recession, and the stock market dropped off heavily after summer. With a bunch of renewals coming up on the anniversary of the buyout, things were not looking great.

As buyout LLLL.coms neared expiration, many owners sold for well under reg fee instead of dropping (some sold on ebay for 1 cent with just days left on registration). There were enough buyers to eat up all the inventory and renew for another year, and the buyout ended up holding.

For the next several years prices remained low for the worst LLLL.coms, with many purchased on drops or expired auctions for winnings bids of $10-15. There were occasionally days with a lot of drops, where not everything would be caught by the auction houses, and they could be scooped up by domainers with scripts. I seem to remember a day or two where there were actually a couple LLLL.coms that were available to hand register an hour or so after the drop. But essentially, the buyout has held ever since 2007 as far as I'm aware.

By 2014 China had started investing in LLLL.coms, and they really began pouring money into the market in 2015 which is when people took notice, and the concept of the Chip (no aeiouv) was born. Prices went crazy in the whole short domain market, and by the end of 2015 the minimum price hit ~$300 for any LLLL.com.

The bubble popped a couple months into 2016, and prices began to decline to where they are today, when the minimum price sit at ~$100 (where it has held steady for about a year now).

It's been a wild 12 years. I wonder what the next 12 have in store for LLLL.coms...

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That's just how I remember it @rpanella - thanks for the post and all of the work you do at ShortNames.com.

rpanella said:

For the next several years prices remained low for the worst LLLL.coms, with many purchased on drops or expired auctions for winnings bids of $10-15

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I was buying them from enom's clubdrop (now NJ) at those prices in 2006 > 2007
back then, they held reverse auctions, which started at $240 and the price dropped until purchased or not.



imo...

April

Four letter .coms recorded 495 sales that brought in $509,300. Of those 495 sales, 93 were Chips, (no a,e,i,o,u,v). Those chips brought in $97,400 in sales.

Popular four letter combo CVCV recorded 13 sales for $131,500.

https://tldinvestors.com/2019/05/sales-and-trends-report-for-april-2019.html

Brev.com sells for the fifth time in 9 years

Brev.com exchanged hands on Friday for the 5th time in 9 years according to Namebio. The domain was once regged back in the 1990's and was owned by a company called HelpMail. They dropped it and it was registered by World Online Denmark A/S. The name moved all around the world registrant wise, to Arizona, India, England. It looks like the name means either mail or letter in Swedish, I … [Read more...]

equity78 said:

It looks like the name means either mail or letter in Swedish

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It means letter in Danish, Swedish and Norwegian

wwwulff said:

It means letter in Danish, Swedish and Norwegian

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Thank you that's what I thought letter and Google for some reason showed mail.

I just finished an evaluation on a Premium 4-letter-dictionary-word .com asset that fit's nicely in this topic. If you like these types of evaluations, you might find this one interesting.

Asset Type:
Product-Category-Killer / Single-Dictionary-Word / Premium / Short (6-letters or less)

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Note: There are 16 acronyms/abbreviations. That's good news

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Note: Not much to go by and averaged 1 sale every two years up until 2015 and flat-lined on reports. That's not very helpful and poses a possibility of lack of interest, at least for the non-.com's. It gives an idea though.

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Opinion: This is excellent news! Since your asset is a premium product-category-killer, it has some solid liquidity in a resellers market. Just look at that steady, juicy, sales data. It's also nice to see both a reseller and hobbyist or end-user report in the same data. E.g. Burl.com sold for $5,088 to what was probably a reseller and then resold for $24,555 1-year later, which already has a temp-hold page for development coming (Hobbyist/End-User). The data gives us some good ideas.

The ideal end-user might be a cola manufacturer/distributor that wants to dominate the Cola beverage market by owning the premium .com and letting everyone see that their product is the only one worthy to be on such an asset.

Alternately, it may also be an acronym of the word that becomes ideal. Be sure to research those too.

The hard part is identifying the potential end-user, gathering more research on their specific niche, formulating a presentation, negotiating, and closing.

Even though your asset has some premium reseller liquidity, you will still have to do a lot of leg-work to find the right buyer and apply the hard parts I also mentioned above, which in most cases, investors fail at.

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Full Evaluation - VIP/Gold Only

Eric Lyon said:

E.g. Burl.com sold for $5,088 to what was probably a reseller and then resold for $24,555 1-year later, which already has a temp-hold page for development coming (Hobbyist/End-User).

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That's good news Eric!
but.... I checked it today and it's parked at DNS

that sale may be an instance of d2d, rather than d2eu, as I've noticed the "expenditures ranges rising" among competing domainers.

often stated that, some domainers can and will pay, what other domainers consider "end-user pricing" for a domain.

those with flipper mentality, can't fathom spending more than reseller price or keeping a domain more than a year or so at best.

while from an investors perspective,
they are willing spend the extra dollars and buy it today, as a smart investment for the future.

but I guess we'll know what happens with burl com eventually.



imo….

biggie said:

That's good news Eric!
but.... I checked it today and it's parked at DNS

that sale may be an instance of d2d, rather than d2eu, as I've noticed the "expenditures ranges rising" among competing domainers.

often stated that, some domainers can and will pay, what other domainers consider "end-user pricing" for a domain.

those with flipper mentality, can't fathom spending more than reseller price or keeping a domain more than a year or so at best.

while from an investors perspective,
they are willing spend the extra dollars and buy it today, as a smart investment for the future.

but I guess we'll know what happens with burl com eventually.



imo….

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Nice observation and added info. You may be right and its an inflated reseller market right now. It may very well be another reseller, rather than a hobbyist.

I would like to think it was a hobbyist though. I'm eager to see what they do with it, if it is.

If not, I wish the long holder luck.

equity78 said:

Thank you that's what I thought letter and Google for some reason showed mail.

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Well, letter is relevant for mail, as I wrote you a letter.

Sold an American premium today:

Domain Name: FGAM•COM
Sale Date: 6/2/19
Venue: AFTERNIC
Sale Price: $6800 - $1270 commission = $5530 net proceeds
Type: BIN
Total Investment: $348 (Purchased for $255 at GD auctions on 12/22/2007 plus renewals)

The only offers I have been getting recently for my 4Ls (especially ZMBY) are from China and they never want to pay more than $150.

Yeah there are some weird folks a out on here and ebay. Why bid if you dont wanna buy good grief

Well, I have some decent amount of 4L . com domain. Recently I am getting good amount of offers, however, I feel like they are from reseller.
Note:- I am a bag hodler

Gray Wolf said:

Well, I have some decent amount of 4L . com domain. Recently I am getting good amount of offers, however, I feel like they are from reseller.
Note:- I am a bag hodler

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Visited your page. Great selection of names. Pricing is certainly on high end and probably not very high sell through, I imagine ))

A feedback: for your phone number, it is not clear what is the country code. For "about us", I'd change "for a while" with a less uncertain term, maybe a decade? Or since ...? Or for xx years?

Recons.Com said:

Visited your page. Great selection of names. Pricing is certainly on high end and probably not very high sell through, I imagine ))

A feedback: for your phone number, it is not clear what is the country code. For "about us", I'd change "for a while" with a less uncertain term, maybe a decade? Or since ...? Or for xx years?

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I will revisit the pricing after few yrs, right now I am in no rush to sell any of my domain.

Thank you for your feedback, I didn't even notice those lol . You can call me lazy investor ha ha
But yeah will definitely work on those issues.

Seeing some encouraging reseller auction prices. Also looks like someone offloaded a lot of premium letter 4L on Sedo within the past week.

Hodl dee dee

abcproductions said:

Sold an American premium today:

Domain Name: FGAM•COM
Sale Date: 6/2/19
Venue: AFTERNIC
Sale Price: $6800 - $1270 commission = $5530 net proceeds
Type: BIN
Total Investment: $348 (Purchased for $255 at GD auctions on 12/22/2007 plus renewals)

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Congratulations