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Hello,

I got a text message... saying..

"Hi hope you're well. It's Kim. You have some offers on your domain if you're selling it. Been sending you messages. Info at (website with my phone number in it)"

I am like what the heck? So I go to the site on my computer, and I see I have several offers for my name
tattootronics.com that I never listed on here. Its called KEM EXPO, kemexpo.com, I am like what the heck,
because I see the offer is $7300.... So I accepted it, I entered my Paypal Email.... It says I will be sent the money..? Is this real people???????
 
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I've been through the same thing. I Have a domain which I never listed and on Wednesday I got the same message as you. Someone offered $7,900 for my domain, I counter offered and the person accepted. When I tried to accept the offer, it said that I needed to have an account with them, and since the value was high, I needed to subscribe to the platinum account, which costs $159 month. Just for the fun of it, I did pay the $159 and I got a message that it would take until Friday 03/05/2019 at 9:48pm to complete the account. When everything was finally set, I tried again to accept the offer and I got another message, saying that my account rose a red flag and now I have to fill out a form, get it signed, notarized and sent to Australia. Since the offer expires tomorrow April 7th 2019, it'll be impossible to accept the offer on my domain. I think this website is a Scam to loure people to pay the $159/month with the hope of selling their domain.

I will dispute the charge with PayPal and see if I can get my money back, since I get no response from their support team.
 
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Just for the fun of it, I did pay the $159 and I got a message that it would take until Friday 03/05/2019 at 9:48pm to complete the account. When everything was finally set, I tried again to accept the offer and I got another message, saying that my account rose a red flag and now I have to fill out a form, get it signed, notarized and sent to Australia. Since the offer expires tomorrow April 7th 2019, it'll be impossible to accept the offer on my domain.

I will dispute the charge with PayPal and see if I can get my money back, since I get no response from their support team.
Sure sounds like fun. :xf.rolleyes:
 
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It's like these people (or person) who set up Kem Expo know that domainers are so desperate to sell their names they will easily give up $159 to get to the next step of a possible $7,000 "sale" - even though, in the back of their mind, the domainers think this is a scam!
 
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"A fool and his money are soon parted."
 
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I too got a text message and a great offer for a domain. I did set up and account and received the .02 deposit from KemExpo. After reading this string I called PayPal and talked with the Fraud department. They will refund the .02 if needed. They did tell me that if I did except and offer and signed up for the account, which would cost $199 to make sure that it is charged under Goods & Services so that if I needed to dispute the charge I could. They can't under friends and family, which makes sense. I will be curious if the person who excepted the offer does actually get the money. I was shocked they offered me $6,600 for mine, along with others that offered $4, $536, $847.
 
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You ca add me to the list of people who got the text message. Extremely similar offer situation, must be a sweet spot at $7,XXX. I vote Scam. But a good one.
 
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Do not claim your cents through Paypal, even for fun.
You don't want to create a link between your Paypal account and a scammer.
 
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Maybe someone was trying to reach you on 1-April but ended up finding you a few days later.
 
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There is no seller protection with Paypal when intangible goods, like domains, are involved. If you search this forum and Paypal's Seller Protection Policy, you can confirm this.

There is a good GREAT chance what will happen here is that, after you transfer the domain to the "buyer",...
  • the charge will be disputed on paypal.
  • Paypal will tell you to provide proof of delivery
  • You will provide proof of successful transfer as proof of delivery
  • Paypal will reject your proof of delivery because paypal does not take electronic transactions as proof, only tracking #s of actual shipments (and if selling price is over $750 they required signature delivery proof along with the tracking #). You cannot provide either of these since the product sold was an intangible product delivered electronically.
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Here are excerpts from Paypal's Plocies regarding Seller Protection...

Source: https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full#seller-protection

To be eligible for PayPal’s Seller Protection, you must meet all of the following requirements:
  • The primary address for your PayPal account must be in the United States.
  • The item must be a physical, tangible good that can be shipped.
  • You must ship the item to the shipping address on the transaction details page in your PayPal account for the transaction. If you originally ship the item to the recipient's shipping address on the transaction details page but the item is later redirected to a different address, you will not be eligible for PayPal Seller Protection. We therefore recommend not using a shipping service that is arranged by the buyer, so that you will be able to provide valid proof of shipping and delivery.
  • You must respond to PayPal's requests for documentation and other information in a timely manner as requested in our email correspondence with you or in our correspondence with you through the Resolution Center. If you do not respond to PayPal’s request for documentation and other information in the time requested, you may not be eligible for Seller Protection.
  • If the sale involves pre-ordered or made-to-order goods, you must ship within the timeframe you specified in the listing. Otherwise, it is recommended that you ship all items within 7 days after receipt of payment.


Item Not Received additional requirements

To be eligible for PayPal’s Seller Protection program for a buyer’s Item Not Received claim, you must meet both the basic requirements listed above and the additional requirements listed below:
  • Where a buyer files a chargeback with the issuer for a card-funded transaction, the payment must be marked “eligible” for PayPal’s Seller Protection on the Transaction Details page.
  • You must provide proof of delivery as described below.

Ineligible items and transactions

Your sale is not eligible for coverage under PayPal’s Seller Protection program if:
  • It involves intangible, non-physical, items, including digital goods, and services. Digital goods are delivered and used in an electronic format, like a song delivered online or through a mobile application.
  • The buyer claims (either with us or their card issuer) that the item you sent isn’t what was ordered (referred to as a “Significantly Not as Described” claim).
  • It involves an item that PayPal determines, in its sole discretion, is a counterfeit item.
  • It involves an item that you deliver in person, including in connection with a payment made in your physical store.
  • It involves sales that are not processed either through a buyer’s PayPal account or a PayPal guest checkout transaction. For example, if the sale was made using the PayPal Payments Pro/VT product, PayPal business payments or using PayPal Here, then it is not eligible for coverage.
  • It involves items equivalent to cash including gift cards.
  • It involves a donation.
  • It relates to the purchase of a financial product or investment of any kind.
  • It involves a payment sent using PayPal’s friends and family functionality.
  • It involves a payment made using PayPal Payouts and Mass Pay.
  • The item is a vehicle, including, but not limited to a motor vehicle, motorcycle, recreational vehicle, aircraft or boat.
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This is a huge red flag. This "marketplace" listed your domain for sale without your consent. That alone should tell you to proceed with caution if you even proceed at all.

Tell "Kim" that you will gladly sell your domain through an escrow service where buyer pays all escrow fees. I bet "Kim" will never accept this.
You can post how ever long quotes from the Paypal terms. However they are not exactly reflecting reality. I won numerous disputes on intangible goods at Paypal, both as a buyer and a seller.
 
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Paypal's published policy is all that matters. If you were able to get them to bend the rules, that's great, but most Paypal representatives will likely follow policy. Since policy is published, it's a gamble to hope and pray paypal will bend the rules for you.

Until Paypal changes it's "proof of delivery" definition to include proof of domain push/transfer, it's a gamble to sell a domain with Paypal. Tread lightly.
 
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Wow 3.6k views glad people are seeing this before they fall for that scam.
 
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