advice HELP I Think I Just Sold TattooTronics.com For $7300 USD HELP

You are already too excited to think clearly and that is a red flag. Better take the domain name to Undeveloped and tell them to buy it from there than trying to handle this kind of weird transaction that sort of giving off "scam" alert...

mems said:

I would be careful.
I found this video on the subject.

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I started to watch the video and got the urge to punch this guy in the face every 30 seconds. People who make videos where they wander off in their topic or cant finish a thought or are constantly fiddling with stuff or saying "yeah, so, anyway...." drive me nuts.

EASYPICKINGS said:

I think they can just charge it back, but I have proof of purchase, and I am covered under paypal, the money would be put on hold if they issued a charge back.

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There is no seller protection with Paypal when intangible goods, like domains, are involved. If you search this forum and Paypal's Seller Protection Policy, you can confirm this.

There is a good GREAT chance what will happen here is that, after you transfer the domain to the "buyer",...

• the charge will be disputed on paypal.
  
• Paypal will tell you to provide proof of delivery
  
• You will provide proof of successful transfer as proof of delivery
  
• Paypal will reject your proof of delivery because paypal does not take electronic transactions as proof, only tracking #s of actual shipments (and if selling price is over $750 they required signature delivery proof along with the tracking #). You cannot provide either of these since the product sold was an intangible product delivered electronically.

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Here are excerpts from Paypal's Plocies regarding Seller Protection...

Source: https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full#seller-protection

To be eligible for PayPal’s Seller Protection, you must meet all of the following requirements:

• The primary address for your PayPal account must be in the United States.
• The item must be a physical, tangible good that can be shipped.
• You must ship the item to the shipping address on the transaction details page in your PayPal account for the transaction. If you originally ship the item to the recipient's shipping address on the transaction details page but the item is later redirected to a different address, you will not be eligible for PayPal Seller Protection. We therefore recommend not using a shipping service that is arranged by the buyer, so that you will be able to provide valid proof of shipping and delivery.
• You must respond to PayPal's requests for documentation and other information in a timely manner as requested in our email correspondence with you or in our correspondence with you through the Resolution Center. If you do not respond to PayPal’s request for documentation and other information in the time requested, you may not be eligible for Seller Protection.
• If the sale involves pre-ordered or made-to-order goods, you must ship within the timeframe you specified in the listing. Otherwise, it is recommended that you ship all items within 7 days after receipt of payment.

Item Not Received additional requirements

To be eligible for PayPal’s Seller Protection program for a buyer’s Item Not Received claim, you must meet both the basic requirements listed above and the additional requirements listed below:

• Where a buyer files a chargeback with the issuer for a card-funded transaction, the payment must be marked “eligible” for PayPal’s Seller Protection on the Transaction Details page.
• You must provide proof of delivery as described below.

Ineligible items and transactions

Your sale is not eligible for coverage under PayPal’s Seller Protection program if:

• It involves intangible, non-physical, items, including digital goods, and services. Digital goods are delivered and used in an electronic format, like a song delivered online or through a mobile application.
• The buyer claims (either with us or their card issuer) that the item you sent isn’t what was ordered (referred to as a “Significantly Not as Described” claim).
• It involves an item that PayPal determines, in its sole discretion, is a counterfeit item.
• It involves an item that you deliver in person, including in connection with a payment made in your physical store.
• It involves sales that are not processed either through a buyer’s PayPal account or a PayPal guest checkout transaction. For example, if the sale was made using the PayPal Payments Pro/VT product, PayPal business payments or using PayPal Here, then it is not eligible for coverage.
• It involves items equivalent to cash including gift cards.
• It involves a donation.
• It relates to the purchase of a financial product or investment of any kind.
• It involves a payment sent using PayPal’s friends and family functionality.
• It involves a payment made using PayPal Payouts and Mass Pay.
• The item is a vehicle, including, but not limited to a motor vehicle, motorcycle, recreational vehicle, aircraft or boat.

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This is a huge red flag. This "marketplace" listed your domain for sale without your consent. That alone should tell you to proceed with caution if you even proceed at all.

Tell "Kim" that you will gladly sell your domain through an escrow service where buyer pays all escrow fees. I bet "Kim" will never accept this.

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I just got the same text. Very odd that people seem to be getting these at the same time.

Tell them you need full contact details of the seller and that once you transact with seller via escrow, you will then send them their commission

After all, if they expect you to trust them "out of the blue", then you should reasonably expect them to trust you "out of the blue", too, right?

Also worth mentioning that I have never had this domain listed for sell anywhere.

EASYPICKINGS said:

"Hi hope you're well. It's Kim. You have some offers on your domain if you're selling it. Been sending you messages. Info at (website with my phone number in it)"

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Can you update the thread title to "KEM EXPO, kemexpo.com - Offers via Text" so that other domainers are more aware please?

shah fahad said:

Brother never try this sh*t i loss 739$ so please ignore this!

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Can you be more specific and include screenshots please?

EASYPICKINGS said:

So I accepted it, I entered my Paypal Email

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You should change your paypal email address.
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Also, to those saying that if a buyer does a chargeback and you have no funds in your paypal account, they paypal cannot take the money. This may not be true. PP could take the money from your bank account associated with your PP account. But even if they cannot, then they can (and probably will) restrict/suspend your PP account until you fund your PP account it with enough funds to satisfy the chargeback/dispute.

My uncle had an item for sale on Craig's list. Two guys showed up and agreed to buy it for $300. They gave him a cashier's check for more than 300, and asked him to accept it and give them the difference in cash back.

My uncle told them he would have to go to the bank to cash it, and did not let them leave with the item either. (They didn't even seem that interested in the item, which was another red flag.)

The bank told him the "cashier's check" was counterfeit. To avoid friction, since these guys now knew where he lived, he simply told them that the bank said that check was not cashable (which of course the guys must've known this would be the end result), and that was the end of that.

What you describe here is a similar scam, with additional nuances.

EbookLover said:

You should change your paypal email address.
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Also, to those saying that if a buyer does a chargeback and you have no funds in your paypal account, they paypal cannot take the money. This may not be true. PP could take the money from your bank account associated with your PP account. But even if they cannot, then they can (and probably will) restrict/suspend your PP account until you fund your PP account it with enough funds to satisfy the chargeback/dispute.

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Yes, the transaction is pinned to the account ID, not the email address, so changing it wont help.

Also they would restrict or suspend. After that they would close the account and send it to collections and it ends up on your credit history.

I believe all new accounts require a SSN or for business a EIN, so good luck opening a new one.

Paypal has dealt with this nonsense a million times, they know what to do.

All this talk about chargebacks and such it never would have gotten to that point these Kem Expo scammers wanted money going in their direction only.

If they gave up a few cents to entice you to send, that's not real money.

xynames said:

All this talk about chargebacks and such it never would have gotten to that point these Kem Expo scammers wanted money going in their direction only.

If they gave up a few cents to entice you to send, that's not real money.

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I think we are really just dealing with a subscription scam at this point.

Kinda like the people who try to broker a domain for you to some Asian company BUT you have to do the "certificate" thing before.

In both cases the "buyer" probably just walks away. No real money changes hands, except for the certificate or the subscription.

In the certificate deal you bought a worthless certificate and in the Kem Expo you bought a worthless subscription to their service. Both are valid transactions, just not worth anything to you. I dont think you could charge back either if the company selling you this junk proves they provided the service you paid for.

rule#1.... if too good to be true, its not true

rule#2.... if an offer to buy your name, tells you to click on a link as part of process or next step, regardless of the link type or where it leads to, then mark it as scam... save yourself virus link problems or other ways of getting robbed... like identity collection... etc.

cheers.

How many more red flags are you waiting to see people..... this is a clear scam.

Definitely a scam. I got the same exact sms.

Lets all apply some common sense here guys. Do we all really think there are multiple offers (some more than our asking prices in the first place) on our mediocre domain names. We are all lucky if we can manage to get 1 single inquiry on something let alone multiple offers on the same domain all in a 1 week time span. And all of these interested buyers happen to be using a service that nobody has heard of. Please.

The offers are all fake and random - obviously. The domain owners need to subscribe to this useless service in order to sell. I'm sure that once you subscribe and these "offers" will all magically vanish lol.

In my opinion, if they want to make this scam more believable, just show 1 offer that is realistic. I think that would hook a lot more people. Instead of being far fetched and showing 7 offers....

Darn! I got a text from Kim today too and thought that was a pretty nice offer and was thinking I should accept it. Could have used the money!

I accepted, via email, an email offer to buy @ $3,000.00

Heard nothing for two months, so I emailed "offer to sell withdrawn"

* 3 years ago

and NOT Kem Expo

Asfas1000 said:

How many more red flags are you waiting to see people..... this is a clear scam.

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Agreed, full scam. Don't do it...

Tia Wood said:

Also worth mentioning that I have never had this domain listed for sell anywhere.

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I will admit I did some quick scanning of the thread...the names that are getting mentioned in the scammers text MUST have something in common if they have not and are not being listed for sale. This tells me a registrar is having intruder issues? Perhaps those of you affected could privately communicate the registrars you are using for those names and let us know.

Maybe whois data scraping?

I think its another NetSol sponsored scam.