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I'm catching the tail end of this, seems to be some kind of controversy...

https://domaingang.com/domain-news/rob-monster-off-twitter-after-christchurch-massacre-controversy/

Must be something odd to evoke this type of a response from one of our members.

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But let's see the answers for this, how do we come to an amicable settlement. What is it people want to see happen that winds down the thread?

Do they want Rob fired?
Sell the company?
Exiled?
Willing to forgive under certain circumstances?
Infinite debate that will never end as there is no amicable solution?

I want him to address his actions.

If it was a mistake we can hear it directly from him.
If he wants to defend his actions he can do that as well.

This is a small industry, just choosing the option to be quiet and hope it blows over is not an option.

Brad
 
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EpikFail.net also taken, since 2015!

@Slanted... looks like somebody's been quietly working towards this end for years! Are you sure this was really Rob? Seems more and more like some kind of provocation by Escrow.com et all, aimed at Epik! HugeDomains also involved! You know what they say... once is an accident; twice is coincidence; but the third time it's enemy action! :xf.wink::xf.wink::xf.wink:

Clarification, since emotions are running hot here: I'm making light of all heated posts here; Dr Berryhill's emotional loss of self control; conspiracy theories galore; Epik's well deserved predicament, engineered by its CEO, no less; and Joseph's enlightening and masterful spin, nevertheless counterproductive, as I'd warned him it would turn out to be... to be sure, I am not making light of the underlying horrible tragedy in Christchurch!
 
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We are sorry to see this in our industry. Our registry has donated to support the victims of this horrific tragedy, and we are gathering support from others as well.

If you'd like to join us in helping the victims, please visit http://Give.Monster to donate. Thank you for your support.

You may want to rethink your marketing strategy. You just showed the biggest domain community your lack of good taste. No matter what your opionion is on the matter being discussed, pathetic move.
 
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You may want to rethink your marketing strategy. You just showed the biggest domain community your lack of good taste. No matter what your opionion is on the matter being discussed, pathetic move.
They should get together with... Rob Monster :xf.smile:

Both seem to share the sensitivity of pissed off rhinos, more or less (n)
 
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@Slanted
You write very well, and you seem like a decent person. But I think your stint at Epik will be a stain on your CV.
You like long posts, I can summarize it all in a few sentences.
As said before, there is no wall between Epik and the CEO/founder. RM is Epik, Epik is RM.
So what RM does in a personal capacity affects the company as a whole.

Epik is not simply hosting controversial customers, but it has actively sought their business (rather than just let come and tolerate their presence). I wonder why.

Somebody who is adamant about free speech, should help organizations that actually fight against censorship and for free speech. For example I'd rather help outfits like Acccess now, Qurium, Telecomix and the like. Or EDRI, or Privacy International or whatever. There is plenty of choice, I am just quoting a few from the top of my head.
Epik is not reaching out to those groups, but has chosen to pander to a particular segment of the alt-right (broadly speaking).
So this is not a free speech issue here, it is about the pursuance of a political agenda.

Regardless of anyone's intentions, the fact is that Epik hurts people (through statements that are dismissive of other people's sorrow), and it supports people who are dedicated to hurting other people.
Again Epik is not a passive party but is actively abetting those people. The nuance is very important here.

Look, lots of people don't like the alt-right, but they could still brush aside the radical opinions of their registrar's CEO. What people are now thinking, is that if they financially support Epik, then they indirectly contribute to those nefarious groups too. Not everybody is willing to be dragged into some kind of self-defeating crusade. People were looking for a registrar and expecting a business relationship built on certain values. The core registrar activity seems to have taken the back seat.

It's as simple as that.
Actions always carry more weight than words. Words don't kill, but actions can be deadly.
No ifs and buts please.
 
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But let's see the answers for this, how do we come to an amicable settlement. What is it people want to see happen that winds down the thread?

Do they want Rob fired?
Sell the company?
Exiled?
Willing to forgive under certain circumstances and apologies from Rob?
Infinite debate that will never end as there is no amicable solution?
I guess people are mad at the situation, and most public figure CEO’s etc don’t tend to step into the perverbial lion’s den especially after a massacre. There is so much anger that when the media sees CEO, and tech, and there was emphasis on getting the video taken down, and a hyper sensitive issue relating to racism, and someone going against the grain, well they are going to be a target for the media as an opposer makes great news headlines, as people are just looking for someone to vent at. This is where most people kind of bite their tongue, even though their opinions may differ from the situation, or they really have no public standing to be noticed. I mean on the world scale Epik is a relatively small company, it’s is not a Disney, or Microsoft, but given their headlines on gab.com 3 months earlier it made him a real easy opposing story, and target which online people can interpret in that wrong way, and really radicalize a lot of hate against the person, and any company associated with them.

Slanted gave him some good advice to stay offline, and not add fuel to the fire, as there is the potential some people might take his words, or actions as defiance against what happened in NZ to a radical power outside the norms, and make it very personal. He put his family, coworkers, and company in a bad position because this topic affects many spectrums where people may take great offfense to a personal point of view, especially when dealing with senseless murders, religion, and sacred places of worship. Pulling the video was a good idea, for the sole reason nobody got the idea or know how to copy the disgusting act, or nobody got even more angered to go do something stupid to avenge it. People run on emotions, and sometimes a simple video can incite a lot of hate in people who are on the tipping point, so it was for good reason this video was pulled, it’s removal had a higher power preceeding censorship online which I know many here oppose for good reason, but there are exceptions for everything, and I believe this is one where it is warranted.

The story is not going to go away, as people recover, and give interviews, 60 minutes etc, The CEO, and Epik have the potential to be pulled back into the story each, and every time, as the media loves to prolong, and antagonize both sides of the story, and the gab story in itself tied in heavily to the tragedy in Pittsburgh, and now the sharing of this Video in NZ, Epik has kind of been involved in both tragedies from a media headlines point of view, and that makes for an easy attention grabbing story people from the outside looking in will see with a one sided point of view.

Since the CEO is pretty much the heart, and equity of Epik, maybe best they take a temporary leave, or a lower position, from the company for a headlines point of view to take themselves out of the media spotlight, and the continued articles still to come in the follow up to the thereafter. As long as the media can associate this person, and the company together, Epik is going to catch a lot of shade from people who don’t even use the company, but just want to vent their anger at someone, or some company.

Where Epik is situated, there are many foreign tech employees from Indian, and Middle Eastern countries, as we are talking about massive companies HQ out of this small region like Microsoft, Boeing, Expedia, T-Mobile.
I think it could hurt them in attracting foreign, and local talent, which is what many companies have no choice but to turn to in such an industry where there is such a high demand for these computer science, and engineering related jobs.
 
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@Slanted
You write very well, and you seem like a decent person. But I think your stint at Epik will be a stain on your CV.
You like long posts, I can summarize it all in a few sentences.
As said before, there is no wall between Epik and the CEO/founder. RM is Epik, Epik is RM.
So what RM does in a personal capacity affects the company as a whole.

Epik is not simply hosting controversial customers, but it has actively sought their business (rather than just let come and tolerate their presence). I wonder why.

Somebody who is adamant about free speech, should help organizations that actually fight against censorship and for free speech. For example I'd rather help outfits like Acccess now, Qurium, Telecomix and the like. Or EDRI, or Privacy International or whatever. There is plenty of choice, I am just quoting a few from the top of my head.
Epik is not reaching out to those groups, but has chosen to pander to a particular segment of the alt-right (broadly speaking).
So this is not a free speech issue here, it is about the pursuance of a political agenda.

Regardless of anyone's intentions, the fact is that Epik hurts people (through statements that are dismissive of other people's sorrow), and it supports people who are dedicated to hurting other people.
Again Epik is not a passive party but is actively abetting those people. The nuance is very important here.

Look, lots of people don't like the alt-right, but they could still brush aside the radical opinions of their registrar's CEO. What people are now thinking, is that if they financially support Epik, then they indirectly contribute to those nefarious groups too. Not everybody is willing to be dragged into some kind of self-defeating crusade. People were looking for a registrar and expecting a business relationship built on certain values. The core registrar activity seems to have taken the back seat.

It's as simple as that.
Actions always carry more weight than words. Words don't kill, but actions can be deadly.
No ifs and buts please.

Very nicely articulated. @Kate

The silence from the more prominent voices in the domaining community is both staggering and sad. You know who you are.

The inaction, complacency, justification, downplaying, support and the alignment of itself with RM's positions, Epik's time is running out.

Just to clarify, @wwwweb, this is not about finding a scapegoat, someone to vent at, or the media. This is about right and wrong. And where we as part of the domaining community stand and what we will tolerate or accept.
 
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@Slanted
What people are now thinking, is that if they financially support Epik, then they indirectly contribute to those nefarious groups too.

Exactly why I will not use Epik anymore. It doesn't matter how good Epik is as a company or who else works for this company now.
 
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And if this brand new member thinks this is something off the chart, someone get him in touch with Adam Dicker, Shane Bellone, Jonathan from NameJet.

The difference is those names you mentioned didn't call a mass killing a hoax.
 
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Wow, I spent hours reading this thread. And the same recurring thing keeps popping up: why Rob why.

Tbh, I'm sure we all know that Rob was mid-convo with someone on Twitter and then he linked fake shootings and then mistakenly included a very recent event that wasn't a hoax.

The problem i have with it, was that once outed, Rob didn't apologize.. he backed himself up and just went forward.

I guess we all do that. It happens so often on np, where someone points out that you're an idjit for one reason or another with some point you posted. I've seldom seen anyone own up to their error. They always retort with "WELL UH... "

I think that's what Rob did here. He probably felt the pressure of representing epik, and realized if he admitted he did something so nuclear, it would be bad. So instead, he decided unsuccessfully, to redirect and fortify.

Anyway, I really hope this debacle isn't going to take epik down. Their renewals and transfers are getting pricey, but they're one of the few registrars I truly trust as a safe haven for my domains in the longer term.

I mean, we elected Trump ffs. Rob is not building a wall around Mexico, or banning Muslims from entering the U.S.. he simply shared a link on twitter!!! He's not funding racist groups and outwardly going around preaching racist ideals.

He tweeted a link. So can we please let epik be. Because there are far worse ceos that run bigger companies that don't benefit any of us. At least epik is there to roll out red carpet after red carpet to us domainers. Yet their CEO does 1 bad thing that's not even related domaining, and we're all quick to burn epik to the ground like it was Alpnames or Pheenix or something.
 
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Tbh, I'm sure we all know that Rob was mid-convo with someone on Twitter and then he linked fake shootings and then mistakenly included a very recent event that wasn't a hoax.
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Very nicely articulated. @Kate

The silence from the more prominent voices in the domaining community is both staggering and sad. You know who you are.

The inaction, complacency, justification, downplaying, support and the alignment of itself with RM's positions, Epik's time is running out.

Just to clarify, @wwwweb, this is not about finding a scapegoat, someone to vent at, or the media. This is about right and wrong. And where we as part of the domaining community stand and what we will tolerate or accept.

The silence is not sad or staggering, its reality. How many people of color do you see in the domain industry? There are people that feel just like Mr. Monster in the domain industry. The only difference is they will not voice their racist opinion like Mr. Monster did or go on a racist podcast. But to call a mass killing a hoax when the evidence proves otherwise is insane.
 
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At least epik is there to roll out red carpet after red carpet to us domainers.

That's right...that's why my many, many domains that are there will stay there...and (steady yourselves) I will register more as time goes on. That is as long as the service and pricing stay the same. I've got accounts and domains at more registrars that (than-edit) I would like to admit, but the Epik experience has been the best by far. Hopefully, in due time, this incident/situation will be properly handled and lessons will be learned.
 
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But to call a mass killing a hoax when the evidence proves otherwise is insane.
I still haven't seen where he has conclusively called the "mass killing a hoax." Can you show where he did?

What I have seen is him questioning some oddities with the video and news reported. There is a difference between conclusively calling it a hoax and questioning some oddities given. There is a big difference. Huge difference.

Unfortunately, most of this conversation has inconclusively dragged him over the coals for questioning information given. Simply questioning the information given. This is not a crime. This is not disrespectful. This is not racism, bigotry, etc. etc......

Questioning information is a fundamental right in a free society. It is important to question as history has taught all too many times.
 
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The most important thing to him was to try and say this guy was non-Christian
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But he was fighting a holy war and should be in his prayer closet -_-:?::?::?::?:
So what religion was he, if any

Wikipedia says
In the manifesto, Tarrant quotes approvingly from Pope Urban II's call in 1095 for Crusade against "the impious race of the Saracens [Muslims]", and also calls for Christian reconquest of Constantinople (Turkey's Istanbul).[139] His manifesto contained many explicit references to the Ottoman Empire and Turkey.[140]
 
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I didn't look at things carefully, but I feel people are overreacting.
RM might be a conservative christian and this might be all.
A sensational event can easily be a hoax meanig it may not have happened as advertised on media, 9/11 being the most obvious one. If I say 9/11 didn't happen as described on TV this doesn't mean I disrespect people who died there. Another example is Paris killings a few years ago. There is a story, it might be a complete theater, or the event might be real but the story might be wrong, or its explanation (motive behind it) might be wrong. But in each case there would be a message. Sometimes the message might not be for general public but only for a few peopl around the world , although billions of people would learn about that event. One example: killing of JQ.
Trump is not far-right either.
I'm leftist, but I'm not like democrats. Democrats and republicians are both far-right. Trump represents USA-nation state, and collaboration/negotiation with the East. He says stupid or bad things, but I think most of the time he doesn't mean it. He is just playing games.
 
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How this guy thinks?? Lol
One minute he's saying From what I gather he's a non Christian fighting a holy war !!
Next minute he's saying Nothing makes sense, looks like low budget CGI....Nobody rushes him.. Shell casings disappear...... This is why they are banning the video.....

Now his sycophants here say he did not explicitly say it was fake, so all good

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I didn't look at things carefully, but I feel people are overreacting.
RM might be a conservative christian and this might be all.
A sensational event can easily be a hoax meanig it may not have happened as advertised on media, 9/11 being the most obvious one. If I say 9/11 didn't happen as described on TV this doesn't mean I disrespect people who died there. Another example is Paris killings a few years ago. There is a story, it might be a complete theater, or the event might be real but the story might be wrong, or its explanation (motive behind it) might be wrong. But in each case there would be a message. Sometimes the message might not be for general public but only for a few peopl around the world , although billions of people would learn about that event. One example: killing of JQ.
Trump is not far-right either.
I'm leftist, but I'm not like democrats. Democrats and republicians are both far-right. Trump represents USA-nation state, and collaboration/negotiation with the East. He says stupid or bad things, but I think most of the time he doesn't mean it. He is just playing games.

All I can say is:

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The silence is not sad or staggering, its reality. How many people of color do you see in the domain industry? There are people that feel just like Mr. Monster in the domain industry. The only difference is they will not voice their racist opinion like Mr. Monster did or go on a racist podcast. But to call a mass killing a hoax when the evidence proves otherwise is insane.

Not voicing a condemnation, or anything at all, is a loud form of approval, or at least acceptance. Turning a blind eye.

I saw outrage from those people over much lesser things. Including from Namepros staff.
 
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Not voicing a condemnation, or anything at all, is a loud form of approval, or at least acceptance. Turning a blind eye.
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I would argue that condemning someone prematurely is unfair, cruel, disrespectful and tasteless. Let's not forget how we got here. There was a tweet where he questioned some oddities in both the video and some news reported. Somehow with all the anger it has snowballed into trying to destroy a man's life. A man's family. A man's business.

All of this because of accusations that are not supported with facts. All because anger has clouded judgement.

When this started, with a call from a blogger, the intent was to destroy. Destroy for what? Destroy a life for questioning oddities in the news, in a video? Is this reason to judge and condemn someone as a racist, bigot, etc. etc?

There is not one person here that would wish to be judged as unfairly as I have seen here.
 
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I would argue that condemning someone prematurely is unfair, cruel, disrespectful and tasteless. Let's not forget how we got here. There was a tweet where he questioned some oddities in both the video and some news reported. Somehow with all the anger it has snowballed into trying to destroy a man's life. A man's family. A man's business.

All of this because of accusations that are not supported with facts. All because anger has clouded judgement.

When this started, with a call from a blogger, the intent was to destroy. Destroy for what? Destroy a life for questioning oddities in the news, in a video? Is this reason to judge and condemn someone as a racist, bigot, etc. etc?

There is not one person here that would wish to be judged as unfairly as I have seen here.

We are not condemning "someone". We are condemning words and actions that perpetuate hate. I love RM. But I do not approve of his recent words and actions. I find them offensive and anyone that respects life and loves his neighbor would also.

This is not complicated. This is not difficult. It's as easy as saying there are no fine people among neo-nazis.

RM and Epik could put this behind them very easily. It is mind-boggling that they can't figure it out. Maybe because their largest base of users comes from a certain ideology. I can't think of anything else.

Redemption is possible for anyone.
 
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We are condemning words and actions that perpetuate hate. I
Show us. Please show us "words and actions that perpetuate hate."

Where is it? I will be the first to condemn it if you can show me it.
 
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Show us. Please show us "words and actions that perpetuate hate."

Where is it? I will be the first to condemn it if you can show me it.

I've done that. I won't repeat myself.
 
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