discuss Proof... still plenty of great names to be hand reg'd

ThatNameGuy · Mar 18, 2019

Laugh Inns

com

I have a reputation here of registering "crappy" domains, and every time I attempt to defend my domain portfolio critics come out of the woodwork

Anyone reading this thread ever hear of "Theme Hotels"? How about "laughter"? How about an "Inn"? Finally, how about Rowan and Martins hit TV show from the 60's and 70's "Laugh-In"?

My point is,until yesterday no one according to HosterStats had ever registered the .com domain "Laugh Inns". Why? Is creativity in this industry so lacking that no one ever thought of this name...seriously?

I just wish I had the time to start a hotel chain whose mission is to make guests laugh

Do you think you have a great hand reg in you?

bmugford · Mar 19, 2019

ThatNameGuy said:
If you're incapable of selling one domain out of 100 in a year then you really should move on. This business obviously isn't for you

You have been on NamePros since November, 2017. That is almost 1 1/2 years.

I believe you have registered at least a couple thousand domains. How many have you sold?

Brad

ThatNameGuy · Mar 19, 2019

bmugford said:
You have been on NamePros since November, 2017. That is almost 1 1/2 years.

I believe you have registered at least a couple thousand domains. How many have you sold?

Brad

Here's all you need to know Brad....i own a little over 1,500 domains, and I've sold enough and contracted to buy enough domains for others to be around NP for a very very long time. Now would kindly leave me alone, and mind your own business, or is that too much to ask

Recons.Com · Mar 19, 2019

bmugford said:
You have been on NamePros since November, 2017. That is almost 1 1/2 years.

I believe you have registered at least a couple thousand domains. How many have you sold?

Brad

That is the point.

He assumes for risk a chance of 1% for a sale to happen, while with his choices the probability is more like 0.01%.

NickB · Mar 19, 2019

ouch.....a couple of thousand?

I hope at least one confirmed sale, just for sanity's sake....if not profit's.....

indiegrind · Mar 19, 2019

This is proof that you don't understand what a great name is and are too stubborn/delusional to accept it.

johnnie018 · Mar 19, 2019

Recons.Com said:
That is the point.

He assumes for risk a chance of 1% for a sale to happen, while with his choices the probability is more like 0.01%.

That is the thing, 1% sell through rate if the name choice is exceptional. Most don't see that unless they are selling names very cheaply.

For the people who talk about 3%+, they are selling a lot of stuff to domainers or selling for far less than enduser price. e.g. Rosner who sells for mostly wholesale price.

I doubt the OP has sold anything, the names are some of the lowest quality I have seen.

bmugford · Mar 20, 2019

ThatNameGuy said:
Here's all you need to know Brad....i own a little over 1,500 domains, and I've sold enough and contracted to buy enough domains for others to be around NP for a very very long time. Now would kindly leave me alone, and mind your own business, or is that too much to ask

Congrats on your many domain sales!

Brad

xynames · Mar 20, 2019

No Bulloney hasn’t sold any (as in not even one) domain. He did apparently work out some kind of joint venture with a couple of domains where some sort of investment might have been infused into his domain or website building business (or some such, was unclear) but it wasn’t a straight across the board cash deal or an actual, arm’s length sale. C’mon nowwwww...! let’s get real, Bulloney.

He is indefatigable as far as trying let’s give him that at least.

ThatNameGuy · Mar 20, 2019

Grego85 said:
I will say I actually do like Johnson.Homes. You can score with the hand reg sometimes. Especially when the extensions first launch.

Well thank you Greg...of the top 100 last names that could possibly go with .Homes I own five of them. btw. the other 95 are already spoken for. I'm also looking to buy names like JohnsonCustom.homes because of what I know about both the real estate and building industries, and how many Johnson's there are in the custom home building business.

dande · Mar 20, 2019

ThatNameGuy said:
Oh it most definitely does, but not the kind of research taught here. And to further protect my domain/name, I just filed a TM application like I've done for other businesses I've owned. While it will cost me about $300, I do it myself and it's worth every penny especially when you're selling to "deep pockets"

Any more questions? btw, this crowd isn't trying to save me money, but if you honestly believe spending $8.50 to own Laugh Innscom is a waste of money, that's your prerogative

$8.50 + $300. That's a lot of money to waste at a go

frank-germany · Mar 20, 2019

ThatNameGuy said:
Thanks NameSplice, but what I'm talking about here is "risking" $8.50 for a chance to make thousands.

Rick Schwartz has put it that way:
basically, every hand reg costs $100 USD

treat it like an $100 USD investment
as you might renew it again and again

and you won't stop
here
so it becomes a $1000 USD investment
or more

a stupid domain is not worth that
so think more before you hand reg

who is going to buy it
and why will they?

will they ?

frank-germany · Mar 20, 2019

ThatNameGuy said:
Things like the word "laugh" being valued at $3,400 by a recognized source like Go Daddy is huge imho. It's huge even if your investment was $100 and not just $8.50. Granted, it might not mean anything to you, but I intend to use it to my advantage when selling domains to "end users". Are you following me?

I'm following you
but no more from now on I guess

I had thought you may be a smart guy
with out-of-the box-ideas

but unfortunately now you have prooven you are not at all.

great domains for handreg everywhere:

frank-germany · Mar 20, 2019

frank-germany said:
I'm following you
but no more from now on I guess

I had thought you may be a smart guy
with out-of-the box-ideas

but unfortunately now you have prooven you are not at all.

great domains for handreg everywhere:

Show attachment 113047

I found a real bargain for you:

NickB · Mar 20, 2019

frank-germany said:
I found a real bargain for you:

Show attachment 113048

Good game.........

laughbanking.com

Estimated Value: $1,434 (USD)

Interested in buying this Domain? It's available!
£16.10£9.99£16.10/yr when you renew

NickB · Mar 20, 2019

Seriously though, I was just thinking that I do like Buloney I think you have a lot enthusiasm and are a borderline egomaniac

but that enthusiasm/ego is maybe misguided when it comes to domains, but hey it is your money and you can do what you want with it.....

A little poke every now and then is just what you are looking for, you like a good debate and don't take things to personally which is cool but it does not help the bottom line.....

Self promotion is good for somethings but I do think you have rubbed a lot of people up the wrong way and I have said before all these conversations are now easily searchable which can not be good for the Buloney PR machine

I hope you would be willing to share a specific sale to silence the doubters (myself included) you can talk the talk but we have yet to see if you can walk the walk

And please ffs do not reply back with a long sermon on the brilliance of Buloney and how you are going to change the domaining world!!

Bob Hawkes · Mar 20, 2019

Let me first of all say that as it stands I tend to agree with @bmugford early post that perhaps this should have gone in the recent hand reg thread. I actually like LaughInns as a name, and actually find the plural at least as good as the singular (although respect completely those who have expressed the opposite viewpoint), I don't think this warrants a thread of its own.

I do see LaughInns as a possible sale, with emphasis on various accommodation with themes - a comedy theme, with an associated theatre featuring comedians and maybe other fun things associated with the rooms, might work. I don't know the industry well enough to hazard a guess, and agree that looking at comparable names still available (as some have noted) is important. I wish @ThatNameGuy the very best with it and meeting with leaders in the business, as he plans, is the right approach.

IF we were to make this a thread, which it has become, I think that the posts should not be about people and their domains and sales, but rather about the principles that might apply and help us all. What are some of these that I see (partly based on ideas others have expressed in this thread)?

How do we decide when a name is too creative?
If there is not a record or comparable sales in the domain, is there a chance it can still be successful? If so what are the analytics to look at? e.g. commercial viability measures
Some successful domain names are very narrow, others very broad. How do we know if a name is too narrow or too general?
What is the right price point for a typical hand-reg?
Does the approximately 1% sell through rate apply to hand-reg as well as market as a whole?
If we look at successful hand-regs (there are a ton in the sold domain names thread) what do we learn about type, venue, inbound/outbound and price point?

I do the questions, but have no answers

.

So to repeat my first point, let's all do two things...(OK three!)

Let's make it about the ideas and principles not the people.
Let's try to let bygones be bygones. Not hold grudges.
Let's not be quick to judge others and slow to truly listen. If you are about to post something critical, why not take an extra minute and ask yourself, can I also comment on one good idea in the post I am about to criticize. Balanced.

Oh, and finally I wanted to wish everyone a happy day on International Day of Happiness

(really March 20 - check it out!).

Bob

Josh R · Mar 20, 2019

Bob Hawkes said:
Let me first of all say that as it stands I tend to agree with @bmugford early post that perhaps this should have gone in the recent hand reg thread. I actually like LaughInns as a name, and actually find the plural at least as good as the singular (although respect completely those who have expressed the opposite viewpoint), I don't think this warrants a thread of its own.

I do see LaughInns as a possible sale, with emphasis on various accommodation with themes - a comedy theme, with an associated theatre featuring comedians and maybe other fun things associated with the rooms, might work. I don't know the industry well enough to hazard a guess, and agree that looking at comparable names still available (as some have noted) is important. I wish @ThatNameGuy the very best with it and meeting with leaders in the business, as he plans, is the right approach.

IF we were to make this a thread, which it has become, I think that the posts should not be about people and their domains and sales, but rather about the principles that might apply and help us all. What are some of these that I see (partly based on ideas others have expressed in this thread)?

How do we decide when a name is too creative?

If there is not a record or comparable sales in the domain, is there a chance it can still be successful? If so what are the analytics to look at? e.g. commercial viability measures

Some successful domain names are very narrow, others very broad. How do we know if a name is too narrow or too general?

What is the right price point for a typical hand-reg?

Does the approximately 1% sell through rate apply to hand-reg as well as market as a whole?

If we look at successful hand-regs (there are a ton in the sold domain names thread) what do we learn about type, venue, inbound/outbound and price point?

I do the questions, but have no answers .

So to repeat my first point, let's all do two things...(OK three!)

Let's make it about the ideas and principles not the people.

Let's try to let bygones be bygones. Not hold grudges.

Let's not be quick to judge others and slow to truly listen. If you are about to post something critical, why not take an extra minute and ask yourself, can I also comment on one good idea in the post I am about to criticize. Balanced.

Oh, and finally I wanted to wish everyone a happy day on International Day of Happiness (really March 20 - check it out!).

Bob

Bob, you always try to make the best of every situation and for that I applaud you.

However; In this particular case, I think closing this thread and moving LaughInns.com to the daily hand reg thread would be the most productive course of action.

garptrader · Mar 20, 2019

If you can sell real estate related new tld domains, can your methods be applied to .com domains for cities in Spanish-speaking markets (some in the US but some in Latin America)?

barman · Mar 20, 2019

Imagine how much time the collective group has wasted arguing with this dude. Countless hours of back and forth... and for what? Ya'll trying to talk him out of his delusion? Let him blow his money.

“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”

Grego85 · Mar 20, 2019

ThatNameGuy said:
Well thank you Greg...of the top 100 last names that could possibly go with .Homes I own five of them.

Awesome! Well Done!

ThatNameGuy said:
I'm also looking to buy names like JohnsonCustom.homes because of what I know about both the real estate and building industries, and how many Johnson's there are in the custom home building business.

aaaaand you lost me.

Joe N · Mar 20, 2019

Bob Hawkes said:
Let me first of all say that as it stands I tend to agree with @bmugford early post that perhaps this should have gone in the recent hand reg thread. I actually like LaughInns as a name, and actually find the plural at least as good as the singular (although respect completely those who have expressed the opposite viewpoint), I don't think this warrants a thread of its own.

I do see LaughInns as a possible sale, with emphasis on various accommodation with themes - a comedy theme, with an associated theatre featuring comedians and maybe other fun things associated with the rooms, might work. I don't know the industry well enough to hazard a guess, and agree that looking at comparable names still available (as some have noted) is important. I wish @ThatNameGuy the very best with it and meeting with leaders in the business, as he plans, is the right approach.

IF we were to make this a thread, which it has become, I think that the posts should not be about people and their domains and sales, but rather about the principles that might apply and help us all. What are some of these that I see (partly based on ideas others have expressed in this thread)?

How do we decide when a name is too creative?

If there is not a record or comparable sales in the domain, is there a chance it can still be successful? If so what are the analytics to look at? e.g. commercial viability measures

Some successful domain names are very narrow, others very broad. How do we know if a name is too narrow or too general?

What is the right price point for a typical hand-reg?

Does the approximately 1% sell through rate apply to hand-reg as well as market as a whole?

If we look at successful hand-regs (there are a ton in the sold domain names thread) what do we learn about type, venue, inbound/outbound and price point?

I do the questions, but have no answers .

So to repeat my first point, let's all do two things...(OK three!)

Let's make it about the ideas and principles not the people.

Let's try to let bygones be bygones. Not hold grudges.

Let's not be quick to judge others and slow to truly listen. If you are about to post something critical, why not take an extra minute and ask yourself, can I also comment on one good idea in the post I am about to criticize. Balanced.

Oh, and finally I wanted to wish everyone a happy day on International Day of Happiness (really March 20 - check it out!).

Bob

Bob, I'm going to echo @Josh R here is saying that I'm constantly in awe of your ability to take the diplomatic, high-road approach.

For my part, while discussing ideas and concepts is all well and good, it isn't terribly useful in a forum where people want to know how to better buy and sell. In this setting, concepts and ideas are only as good as the evidence that backs up their effectiveness, and I think that's what we are all sorely wishing that @ThatNameGuy would provide.

The real issue for me is that OP's concepts and ideas are being billed as actual advice. I believe it's on him to either change the tone of his postings, or he'll continue to be berated by members looking for proof that he has any business giving such advice.

frank-germany · Mar 20, 2019

Joe Nichols said:
The real issue for me is that OP's concepts and ideas are being billed as actual advice. I believe it's on him to either change the tone of his postings, or he'll continue to be berated by members looking for proof that he has any business giving such advice.

@Joe Nichols
you nailed it

people are looking for advice and then this.

have mercy

frank-germany · Mar 20, 2019

ThatNameGuy said:
Laugh Innscom

Why is LaughInns.com such a bad domain?

1) it targets only 1 possible customer
2) this customer is not exsting
3) Laughinn.com would be better
- still a bad domain-
as 1 guy / girl may come up with the idea to call his inn "Laugh-Inn"
here you run across another problem.

a hyphenated version would make sense too

so you need laughinn.com laughinns.com laugh-inn.com laugh-inns.com
to cover all possibilities and not lose out to competition

now that's $40 USD /year
factor 10 = $400 USD investment

its is extremely unlikely that a huge company will come up with the idea
of a chain of inns
and call them the way you hope for

that's not a good strategy

in order to make that work you need 1000 of similar conceptional domain combos
in order to sell 1 in 10 years

so you need to sell it for $400.000 USD to break even.

understand?

Joe N · Mar 21, 2019

frank-germany said:
Why is LaughInns.com such a bad domain?

1) it targets only 1 possible customer
2) this customer is not exsting
3) Laughinn.com would be better
- still a bad domain-
as 1 guy / girl may come up with the idea to call his inn "Laugh-Inn"
here you run across another problem.

a hyphenated version would make sense too

so you need laughinn.com laughinns.com laugh-inn.com laugh-inns.com
to cover all possibilities and not lose out to competition

now that's $40 USD /year
factor 10 = $400 USD investment

its is extremely unlikely that a huge company will come up with the idea
of a chain of inns
and call them the way you hope for

that's not a good strategy

in order to make that work you need 1000 of similar conceptional domain combos
in order to sell 1 in 10 years

so you need to sell it for $400.000 USD to break even.

understand?

I think that's a great analysis @frank-germany, and I think this is a trap a lot of newer domain investors fall into with hand registrations.

It's easy to write off one $8 purchase as a cheap and "calculated" risk. The problem arises when that same attitude gets applied over and over to domain after domain until the year is up and one realizes they've spent thousands without getting a sniff of interest from potential buyers. What then? Do you double down or start over? If it's the latter, have you learned your lesson or are you doomed to repeat last year's mistakes?

I know @ThatNameGuy purports to be primarily an entrepreneur (as opposed to a domain investor). Technically that's good, because it's the only way I can see his model working (although even then I tend to think money is better spent on one really good name and a lot of development and promotion). However, after a year and a half year, I think we're all quite eager to see one of his ideas come to fruition.

There have been many many talks of ideas and beginnings... lots and lots of information sharing, but none has showed the concrete growth of a business venture.

Rich, I know you're a big idea guy, but when do we get to hear about an idea that has legs?

Josh R · Mar 22, 2019

Ideas are cheap folks.

If I could sell ideas without any of the execution I'd be a billionaire.

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