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I'm catching the tail end of this, seems to be some kind of controversy...

https://domaingang.com/domain-news/rob-monster-off-twitter-after-christchurch-massacre-controversy/

Must be something odd to evoke this type of a response from one of our members.

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No, it's a cop out, a weak one at that. You're responsible for your own posting. Nobody makes you do that. Left wing activists made me do it is crazy.

What cop out? I stand by everything I've said.

The only person saying "Left wing activists made me do it" is you. Since I never said any such thing, you can argue with yourself.
 
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What cop out? I stand by everything I've said.

The only person saying "Left wing activists made me do it" is you. Since I never said any such thing, you can argue with yourself.

Given that experience of being vilified by the mainstream press, being harassed and slandered where he lives, is it really that surprising that Rob was appreciative of the support he received from Gab members? They were evidently the only community that agreed with the free-speech decision he had taken. Rob is a conservative. And, as any American knows, conservatives already distrust the so-called "mainstream media". Having found some common ground with Gab members regarding free speech and perhaps sharing some other conservative political views, it is not hard to understand how Rob's rhetoric became more extreme during the months since. He had been driven into an echo chamber by the mainstream press and by left-wing activists – people who should have more respect for freedom of speech.

"Rob's rhetoric became more extreme during the months since. He had been driven into an echo chamber by the mainstream press and by left-wing activists"

This is also interesting:

I've never paid attention to Rob's tweets or Epik's or anybody's tweets. But it is my hunch that Rob's Twitter activity became more overtly political and controversial since August or September, which is when the media began demonizing him.

So you don't pay attention to the tweets, but go on a hunch. Why go on a hunch about Twitter activity, when you can simply read them? Wouldn't you be more informed if you did that instead of guessing? Director of Operations that didn't know what was being posted on the company Twitter account.
 
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That was my comment. After seeing the threads here, I had to elaborate:

https://www.dnplaybook.com/from-a-s...litator-of-hate-and-promoter-of-conspiracies/

So if I understand you correctly... you put more emphasis on what a person believes... versus how they treated you, made you feel and behaved with you in person?

Got it.

Just wondering, have you made any attempt to discuss this with Rob before writing your own attention grabbing article to take advantage of this unfortunate event?
 
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So if I understand you correctly... you put more emphasis on what a person believes... versus how they treated you, made you feel and behaved with you in person?

Got it.

Just wondering, have you made any attempt to discuss this with Rob before writing your own attention grabbing article to take advantage of this unfortunate event?

No, you don't understand me at all.
 
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@MS-Domains,

Thank you for being willing to forgive a mistake. It wasn't my mistake, but I'm still going to apologize for it because I'm associated with it. And it pains me to see any discrimination – and above all violence – directed toward muslims, jews, or anybody else.

Epik does have several muslim employees, including 1 from Amman. I remember the city with fondness. أحسن ناس

Personally I find much in Islam to admire. Whenever some ignorant person spreads misinformation about muslims and a supposed "clash of civilizations", I never fail to point out the truth. Christian Europe invaded the muslim world on its "crusades". Meanwhile, christians and jews were protected in the muslim cities as fellow "people of the book": أَهْل اَلْكِتَاب. Indeed, the Qur'an requires tolerance:

لاَ إِكْرَاهَ فِى الدِّينِ

Meaning: "There is no compulsion in religion". Matters of belief should not be forced.
 
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@Slanted

Thanks for joining the conversation. Your views are always eloquently respectful and tolerant, even if I disagree with the substance (such as political leanings).

Your voice is missed and I am sure others would agree when I say, "please visit us more frequently."
 
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"Those tweets and links to the killer’s manifesto and video stream of his murderous rampage led Rob to get a spot on a White Supremacist/Neo-Nazi podcast, The People’s Square:"

What

Here. Listen first, comment later. This podcast was way before the NZ. 11 weeks ago it is stated on the webpage. This podcast is pretty objective if you ask me. The interviewers I never heard of it before, nor this podcast or podcasters, just located it. Neither guy are aligned with Rob, first opening statement. He talks about ROLR, shadowserver, take downs, silencing critics, manufacturing concensus, labeling people, violence, radical left activists at his door, huffington post censoring and twisting his interview, interviewers talk about activists hired to cause problems, the splc stealing personal data, etc. very good in depth interview.

https://player.fm/series/the-people...ocracy-with-robert-monster-striker-and-borzoi
 
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@MS-Domains,

Thank you for being willing to forgive a mistake. It wasn't my mistake, but I'm still going to apologize for it because I'm associated with it. And it pains me to see any discrimination – and above all violence – directed toward muslims, jews, or anybody else.

Epik does have several muslim employees, including 1 from Amman. I remember the city with fondness. أحسن ناس

Personally I find much in Islam to admire. Whenever some ignorant person spreads misinformation about muslims and a supposed "clash of civilizations", I never fail to point out the truth. Christian Europe invaded the muslim world on its "crusades". Meanwhile, christians and jews were protected in the muslim cities as fellow "people of the book": أَهْل اَلْكِتَاب. Indeed, the Qur'an requires tolerance:

لاَ إِكْرَاهَ فِى الدِّينِ

Meaning: "There is no compulsion in religion". Matters of belief should not be forced.

Allah/God forgives, how can we not forgive?

You are a decent human being, thank you.

Indeed, لاَ إِكْرَاهَ فِى الدِّينِ at all.

For decades, my late grand mother (Catholic) went to church every Sunday in Amman, who took her there? Her Muslim daughters, sons, husband & grandkids. Because she was أَهْل اَلْكِتَاب.

Misinformation is all over the place, I try to do what I can to pass the correct information, the message of peace Allah sent us. Thank you for doing the same.

You are welcome back to Jordan at anytime, & I would be honored to show your around.

Tolerance & dialogue is the way to go.

Thank you
 
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Here. Listen first, comment later. This podcast was way before the NZ. This podcast is pretty objective if you ask me. The interviewers I never heard of it before, nor this podcast or podcasters, just located it. Neither guy are aligned with Rob, first opening statement. He talks about ROLR, shadowserver, take downs, etc.

https://player.fm/series/the-people...ocracy-with-robert-monster-striker-and-borzoi

I have made the correction in the article. If anyone else finds anything factually incorrect, please let me know.
 
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1. Do you have a public policy somewhere that defines this? For instance, how would a user or Epik know when a line has been crossed?

Epik terms of service are in the footer of our home page. The contracts do need an update, and revising them is an ongoing project. You'll see that the TOS allow Epik to act in a variety of cases, though the decision to act remains Epik's option. Generally speaking, Epik's stated position is to allow legal content. That is a goal or a value. In practice, there are borderline cases where Epik has taken action. (See #2 below.)

Generally speaking, registrars do not police content of websites. And it is a slippery slope if we begin doing so. When abuse is reported, we investigate. But sometimes it's not the registrar's role to shut a site down. Valid abuse complaints often involve such issues as phishing, spam, etc. Trademark disputes are decided by mechanisms like the UDRP. In some cases where illegal activity is alleged, we are not in a position to evaluate whether a law has been broken. So we encourage a complainant to seek a finding from some law enforcement authority that will enable us to take action.

Allowing legal content means allowing content we disagree with and disapprove of. So the criterion Epik tries to follow is legality. In practice, at any registrar, it's a question of judgment. Epik's TOS allow us to act based on infractions that are not themselves illegal. But we tend to apply those clauses in really egregious cases. And by "egregious", I don't just mean offensive content.

2. Would Epik allow, for instance, the explicit discussion of child pornography? Rape? Any other kinds of abuse? Where maybe actual pictures or videos are not involved but members openly discuss grooming, maybe fantasy stories, etc?

No, that is not allowed. Epik has banned domains with websites that encourage rape. That case has actually arisen. Rob and I discussed it, and we took action. Cases involving child pornography have not arisen at Epik in my experience, but I can say that Epik would act to shut that down without hesitation.

3. Would Epic allow the explicit discussion, website, content, etc from groups such Antifa?

Yes. In fact: Yes, please. Rob and I have discussed Antifa explicitly. I said that it would help separate the issue of free speech from right-wing politics if we had an equal number of radical left-wing websites with domains registered at Epik. I mentioned Antifa specifically, and Rob said they'd be welcome at Epik.

That invitation did not surprise me in the least, and I fully expected Rob to say that. Even though conservatives like Rob disapprove of Antifa (and I probably do too as a tolerant progressive), Epik's free-speech position is not a sham. It is a sincere position, shared by Rob and me even though our personal politics are very different. My statements on the subject predate my joining Epik, and I could provide links.

Epik has had a very consistent stance about free speech and registrant rights. By that, I mean a registrar's responsibility to insist on due process from any complainant – to not ban a domain merely based on negative public pressure.

This arises more often than you might think, and it's generally not about politics at all. For example, pharmaceutical lobbyists often demand that domains be suspended. When I suggested filing a UDRP, which is the ICANN-sanctioned mechanism for resolving trademark disputes, they resorted to a smear campaign to put pressure on Epik. But, unlike other registrars, Epik stood up to the lobbyists rather than banning domains. And that's not because we want to protect online pharmacies. In fact, Rob and I have complained about such customers because they cause us to waste so much time. And I have gone out of my way to emphasize the UDRP route to complainants in cases of clear abuse.

4. What about the same as above but with an LGBT related group?

Of course. Personally I am politically left-wing and socially progressive. So this is an easy Yes. But I also know Rob well enough to speak for him here. Frankly, I'd be shocked if Epik didn't already have such websites based at Epik. I know we have domains about LGBT topics. How many are developed websites, I'm not sure. I personally have owned a variety of LGBT-themed domains as a domainer, though I happne to be heterosexual. And a large part of my portfolio is at Epik.

Rob told me the other day he was hosting a gay couple in his home. After all, even though Rob is a conservative christian whose beliefs are incompatible with homosexuality, he is a tolerant person – very much in the tradition of real christianity.

It's astonishing how often I have seen Rob mocked because he expresses a wish to evangelize and convert even right-wing extremists toward more moderate views. People say, "Sure, he's just providing cover for white supremacists and neo-Nazis!" But maybe those cynics – many of whom are secular progressives – have never met a real christian. Rob's not perfect, but is a real christian. And that means evangelism, preaching to the sinners. It implies receiving the worst person with welcome, giving them a chance to change.

Believe it or not, that has a lot to do with Rob's decision to allow Gab.com to be transferred to Epik and also his involvement with Gab. Some will say – and I understand the cynicism, though (knowing Rob) I don't share it – that Rob is naïve or insincere in saying that he hopes and thinks that Gab will take more responsibility for policing its members. Christianity of the variety Rob espouses requires a certain amount of unjustifiable hope or faith in another person's ameliorability, their innate goodness or capacity for change.

Personally I have stayed away from Gab.com because I was dismayed by the amount of overtly antisemitic content I saw there. I'm not a christian, and I have neither the moral obligation (as Rob may feel he has) nor the time to preach to the more virulent sinners in that forum.

You don't need to think Rob is noble. I'm just saying this is complicated.
 
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Thank you for answering my questions. I still don't agree with Gab nor do I agree with certain thoughts or actions by Rob, etc. I don't know if I can accept this 'free speech' approach. And there's a lot I don't agree with or feel right about all around.

......But I actually think you are telling the truth. Respectfully bowing out of the thread.
 
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Even as a Jew who lost plenty of family in the holocaust, I respect the right of storm front, the KKK and any other loonie Nazi to have their safe space online. As long as they are not harming people or throwing people on the cross, it is their God given right.

Let me make sure I understood you correctly, you have lost many loved ones in holocaust and yet you are ok with KKK & Nazi to have their safe space online?
 
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@Slanted

Great job, Joe! I'm full of admiration on how you spinned all this. Thanks for the good read, equally interesting personal touch and insight into both Epik's CEO and Exec :xf.smile:

Ideologically, I'm with you and Rob. All the way! About the need to separate freedom of speech from the content of said speech, that is. Problem is that most people simply can't wrap their head around that concept. This affliction doesn't discriminate and is true across the political, ideological, racial and religious spectrum. Those same people usually are also unable to fanthom that you can be 100% against abortion and vehemantly opposed to penalizing it at the same time. You're the enemy of both camps!

Those people only hear the part that's unacceptable, offensive to them. The other part (in this case the reason why Rob did this) will not register, no matter how logically and eloquently you put it.

EDIT: Hey, good case in point... check out the post immediately preceeding mine... @maksimfa gets it... but @eurorealtor can't seem to wrap his head around it!

I haven't watched it, what Rob published. I'm simply not interested in the least. What is of great interest and importance to me is that I can watch it, should the urge strike me. What most people fail to grasp is that freedom of speech is not about what Rob Monster and others can, should or should not be allowed to say, publish, but rather it is all about what I am free to read, watch and listen to! If I have the urge to do so!

Too offensive, drastic, insensitive, wrong, unacceptable? Go ahead, excersise your passive freedom of speech: don't watch! Try it, it doesn't hurt at all.

P.S. Thanks to all who'd contributed to this thread, first and foremost... Rob Monster :xf.wink:
Lots of food for thought here... amongst other things, for developing one of my recent, more unusual acquisitions... freespeech.best :xf.grin:


Thanks,
Andrew
 
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Too offensive, drastic, insensitive? Go ahead, excersise your passive freedom of speech: don't watch! Try it, it doesn't hurt at all.

“ARTICLE II: You do not have the right to never be offended. This country was based upon freedom, and that means freedom for everyone-not just you! You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion, etc., but the world is full of idiots, and probably always will be.”

http://www.fightthebias.com/Resources/Humor/bill_of_no_rights.htm
 
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I'm catching the tail end of this, seems to be some kind of controversy...

https://domaingang.com/domain-news/rob-monster-off-twitter-after-christchurch-massacre-controversy/

Must be something odd to evoke this type of a response from one of our members.

There does not seem to be any official reply or comment from Epik or Rob Monster yet.

Rob Monster is reading the thread - he liked a post in it. I see a post of his on this topic quoted in another thread https://www.namepros.com/threads/so...er-or-suspension.1107245/page-22#post-7159479

We do have comments here from an Epik employee who stresses that they are acting in a personal capacity, while sharing info on Epik's internal company decisions.

The line between personal and company activity can be unclear - do Epik have policies on that, to clarify things for customers, staff, and investors?
 
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@MS-Domains,

Thank you for being willing to forgive a mistake. It wasn't my mistake, but I'm still going to apologize for it because I'm associated with it. And it pains me to see any discrimination – and above all violence – directed toward muslims, jews, or anybody else.

Epik does have several muslim employees, including 1 from Amman. I remember the city with fondness. أحسن ناس

Personally I find much in Islam to admire. Whenever some ignorant person spreads misinformation about muslims and a supposed "clash of civilizations", I never fail to point out the truth. Christian Europe invaded the muslim world on its "crusades". Meanwhile, christians and jews were protected in the muslim cities as fellow "people of the book": أَهْل اَلْكِتَاب. Indeed, the Qur'an requires tolerance:

لاَ إِكْرَاهَ فِى الدِّينِ

Meaning: "There is no compulsion in religion". Matters of belief should not be forced.
I appreciate all of this But I knew there is some reason you come with all of this line.

Instead of doing this do your best to tell your CEO not to do this thing again.
 
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There does not seem to be any official reply or comment from Epik or Rob Monster yet.

Rob Monster is reading the thread - he liked a post in it. I see a post of his on this topic quoted in another thread https://www.namepros.com/threads/so...er-or-suspension.1107245/page-22#post-7159479

We do have comments here from an Epik employee who stresses that they are acting in a personal capacity, while sharing info on Epik's internal company decisions.

The line between personal and company activity can be unclear - do Epik have policies on that, to clarify things for customers, staff, and investors?
In other theread he replied yesterday but all he is carrying for some "Free Speech" & other videos which his own type of people uploaded.
 
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Joseph, I appreciate you trying to clear this up but I am unmoved.

I mean Bob Parsons (GoDaddy CEO) got endless sh*t for killing an elephant. I don't have much sympathy for someone who decides to share a video of people getting massacred then implying it was a hoax.

I am sorry but the CEO of a company should really know better. It obviously reflects poorly on the brand.

If the CEO of a major company had done this on their personal account they would no doubt be immediately terminated by the board. "Free Speech" does not mean freedom from consequences when it comes to companies, groups, organizations, etc.

If you want to say and do offensive things under the guise of "free speech" then don't be surprised when people are offended by it, and don't be surprised when you lose business because of it.

Brad
Well said.
 
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I continue to transfer my domains to Epik and will do so.
 
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Some very interesting posts here with regards Rob Monster.
Before you call Rob a white-christian extremist and being against muslims. I suggest you check the staff that work for him and you will find that Rob employs, Christians & Muslims, He also employs people from different country's who are from all over the world. So Before all you sweety wifes make a judgement on a person check the facts before you call someone a name.

Epic has staff that are Muslim.
Epic has staff that are Jewish.
Epic has staff that are Christian.
Epic has staff that are coloured,
Epic has staff that are brown,
Epic has staff that white or Pale.

Please note I dont use Epic services. Check the facts before you jump on bandwagon.
The New Zealand shooting was total scandal my thoughts go out to all family's who relations got killed in a place of worship. People saying goodbye to wife, brother, sister, father as they head out to morning mass never to return.

Since im a athiest I dont care about how you look, what religion you are, what colour you are, what counts what type of person you are.
 
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