Social Network Gab.com being threatened by GoDaddy: 24 hours to transfer or suspension

domainguy50 · Oct 29, 2018

backstory: Gab is a social network alternative to twitter. their selling point is free speech (all speech is welcome, including what you believe might be hate speech.) which is basically is the first amendment. no unlawful material is allowed, but virtually any speech is. recently they purchased the "gab com" domain for $220k.

this site is very controversial as a result, with mainstream media outlets claiming it is popular with nazi and anti-semite messages. the site has 800,000 users and has experienced modest growth recently so it really isnt all bad hate speech. regardless, those disgusting messages on the site by some users are also lawful no matter how distasteful they are. as a result of these media attacks, (and the recent revelation that the synagogue shooter in pittsburgh yesterday had an active gab profile) gab is being unfairly targeted by smear campaigns online reporting the site as "a hate speech site" via email to gab's service providers.

gabs host (microsoft) revoked its contract with gab a few months ago

gabs payment providers (paypal and stripe) just revoked their services

just a few minutes ago, godaddy has said they will stop working with gab:
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"BREAKING: Godaddy is threatening to suspend our domain (which is worth six figures) if we do not transfer to a new provider by tomorrow. This is madness."

the complexity of the situation is compounded by the fact that Gab is on a payment plan to fully own the domain since they recently purchased it. the broker/escrow agent control this which makes it even more difficult for the company to transfer to a new registrar by EOD tomorrow.

I understand that Godaddy is a private business and its clauses may allow it to do this, but this seems extreme overreaction. "24 hours to transfer or else" is a very menacing way of doing business.

-if you were in charge of gab what would you do? create your own payment processor, host, and DNS? they got deplatformed quickly... i guess they could try to get an offshore Hosting company or invest in native hosting.

-what is the most "free speech" friendly DNS provider there is?

-is it fair for internet infrastructure companies to de-platform a small upstart social network because of controversial speech? or should companies like DNS and hosting should be regulated and allow any customer as long as it is lawful content being hosted.

Bernard Wright · Mar 20, 2019

I'm not arguing. I'm just pointing out the contradiction of loving freedom of speech, yet living in Thailand. You can't have both. Given that you chose to reside in Thailand despite the lèse-majesté laws, Computer Crimes Act, etc., freedom of speech is not as important to you as you claim, or at least not as important to you as it is to me.

I'll bet you have a great life there. There are pros and cons of living in each country. I've lived in a few, and while the US is not perfect, I believe that freedom of speech is one of those things that makes the US a great nation, even without sandy beaches and 20 baht coconuts. But such things come at a cost, and hopefully the cost to preserve free speech does not get too high.

Fancy.domains said:
t least we practiced our right to free speech...

Sort of. This is more of a friendly back and forth. Even you can participate in this sort of banter, so I wouldn't call this an exercise of freedom of speech. I could, however, bring up topics that you, in Thailand, would be wise not to engage in. Again, this is the point. The US has not lost the battle.

cipcip · Mar 20, 2019

Godaddy sux. I would transfer away and let them be with their rules...

frank-germany · Mar 20, 2019

cipcip said:
Godaddy sux. I would transfer away and let them be with their rules...

????

I missed it

carob · Mar 20, 2019

Freedom of speech is always challenging and people will draw the line in different places and identify different dangers and risks.

Even in the USA there are limits to Freedom of Speech, namely:

Obscenity
Fighting words
Defamation (including libel and slander)
Child pornography
Perjury
Blackmail
Incitement to imminent lawless action
True threats
Solicitations to commit crimes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions

mr-x · Mar 20, 2019

Rob Monster said:
As for status as "public figure", I am humble enough to put truth and liberty ahead of personal prosperity or social acceptance. This is not the act of a reckless man but rather the act of someone with an eternal perspective who values truth and considers the search for truth to be a core goal of life well lived...

I appreciate your commitment to free speech.

mr-x · Mar 20, 2019

carob said:
Freedom of speech is always challenging and people will draw the line in different places and identify different dangers and risks.

Even in the USA there are limits to Freedom of Speech, namely:

Obscenity

Fighting words

Defamation (including libel and slander)

Child pornography

Perjury

Blackmail

Incitement to imminent lawless action

True threats

Solicitations to commit crimes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions

Most of that list are crimes, not speech.

rh2000 · Mar 20, 2019

NameLlama said:
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trump supporters think everything is a hoax.

mr-x · Mar 20, 2019

rh2000 said:
trump supporters think everything is a hoax.

Ignorant and bigoted thing to say. Enjoy your free speech.

xynames · Mar 20, 2019

Anyway that’s free speech. Rob Monster posts something like that on Twitter and then Bernard Wright seems to come along and almost support his right to do so while condoning what the kid did at the Lincoln Memorial as if wearing MAGA hats and Indian whooping mimicry are acceptable just because a different group had just harassed them. I guess he doesn’t have much expectations for his kids if doing something like that is what he hopes his kids would aspire to do someday but again it just shows how different points of views and free speech are what make America great (versus simply wearing the red hats).

However at least it seems that we all agree that Rob “Monster’s” tweet is disturbing not just for his posting of the video link but also for his Twitter comments below the link.

RogueWriter · Mar 20, 2019

rh2000 said:
trump supporters think everything is a hoax.

Stereotype much?

golan · Mar 20, 2019

frank-germany said:
????

I missed it

From what this thread started. Now no one even remembers lol.

mr-x · Mar 20, 2019

xynames said:
Anyway that’s free speech. Rob Monster posts something like that on Twitter and then Bernard Wright seems to come along and almost support his right to do so

while condoning what the kid did at the Lincoln Memorial as if wearing MAGA hats and Indian whooping mimicry are acceptable just because a different group had just harassed them.

That isn't what happened. I suggest you spend 2 minutes and learn the history of the "native" American and what actually happened. He's a common liar.

Kids waiting at the bus where harassed in worst way by racist and they responded with a school cheer.

I guess he doesn’t have much expectations for his kids if doing something like that is what he hopes his kids would aspire to do someday but again it just shows how different points of views and free speech are what make America great (versus simply wearing the red hats).

However at least it seems that we all agree that Rob “Monster’s” tweet is disturbing not just for his posting of the video link but also for his Twitter comments below the link.

xynames · Mar 20, 2019

rh2000 said:
trump supporters think everything is a hoax.

I have encountered some who are unbelievable...I mean believing amazingly silly things for supposedly educated people.

Some not all.

xynames · Mar 20, 2019

mr-x I know what happened, you're just looking at it in your way. Leave it at that. I don't agree with much of what you just posted. Won't get anywhere to argue it.

mr-x · Mar 20, 2019

xynames said:
mr-x I know what happened, you're just looking at it in your way. Leave it at that. I don't agree with much of what you just posted. Won't get anywhere to argue it.

I'm looking at the truth, spent the time to learn what happened and the background of the people involved. Kids acted like kids. The adults acted like hateful assholes.

FYI, Kids purchased the hates from a vendor as souvenirs.

xynames · Mar 20, 2019

I can see why you feel that way, but I disagree on much of what you posted above.

Some of your summary that you re-posted is accurate, but not all.

rh2000 · Mar 20, 2019

xynames said:
I have encountered some who are unbelievable...I mean believing amazingly silly things for supposedly educated people.

Some not all.

You are right.

RogueWriter · Mar 20, 2019

xynames said:
.....as if wearing MAGA hats and Indian whooping mimicry are acceptable................

By all means, post the video of that young 16 year old 'Indian Whooping' as you stated so factually. Oh wait, you can't, because that young 16 year old did not 'Indian Whoop' did he. But by all means, don't allow actual facts get in the way of your rant.

xynames said:
However at least it seems that we all agree that Rob “Monster’s” tweet is disturbing not just for his posting of the video link but also for his Twitter comments below the link.

Quit speaking for everyone. You can't claim free speech in one virtual breath then claim to speak for everyone in the other. The nature of free speech is that you don't get to tell others what to think.

RogueWriter · Mar 20, 2019

xynames said:
I have encountered some who are unbelievable...I mean believing amazingly silly things for supposedly educated people.

Some not all.

Some not all... so you are referring to the population in general or just Trump supporters.

xynames · Mar 20, 2019

RogueWriter you don't need to comment to me, because whatever you've written above isn't something I really have the time or desire to comment on.

But feel free to keep commenting to me if I'm that important to you. Thanks. I didn't think anything I wrote was that controversial.

maksimfa · Mar 20, 2019

Rob Monster said:
As for status as "public figure", I am humble enough to put truth and liberty ahead of personal prosperity or social acceptance. This is not the act of a reckless man but rather the act of someone with an eternal perspective who values truth and considers the search for truth to be a core goal of life well lived.

The Internet has been an enormous blessing to me personally. Once you acknowledge that life is not an accident, and that creation is not random, it becomes obvious that temporal rewards are of no great consequence, and that includes the fleeting plaudits (and the critiques) of others.

The Twitter exchange on Sunday was the result of a personal Twitter attack by 2 biased Twitter users who are affiliated with the incredibly biased SPLC, one of whom authored a highly defamatory and inaccurate hatewatch article about me. I replied from my personal Twitter, which I have since deleted.

As for the video itself, the part that troubled me was the discovery of material inconsistencies. Since important policies are being determined by the official narrative, it warrants discernment. Here is a 90 second video that has since been excised from YouTube that illustrates the point. It is not gruesome.

As for those members of the domain community who have taken the opportunity this week to rebuke me for allowing free speech to continue on the Internet, please know that I am neither seeking publicity or controversy. I am of sound mind. I am not a Nazi, an anti-semite, a homophobe, a misogynist, a bigot, or a racist. I believe love and understanding will overcome hate and divisiveness.

The future of the domain industry is being determined in 2019. Censorship, WHOIS privacy, sinkholing, DDoS, deplatforming, demonetization, unpersoning, are all symptoms of the disease which is a relentless desire by the few to dictate the narratives and choices to be consumed by the many.

I leave you with a very fine quote from Thomas Paine that seems apt today though it was written in 1776:

“THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated”

Blessings to all who read this thread. Hopefully it is never censored.

whoa....

I am a gun guy.... and up until now did not watch that video....

Sorry, brass DOES NOT DISAPPEAR INTO THIN AIR!

It does eject in the right direction but it would have bounced on the wall and remained there.

maksimfa · Mar 20, 2019

maksimfa said:
whoa....

I am a gun guy.... and up until now did not watch that video....

Sorry, brass DOES NOT DISAPPEAR INTO THIN AIR!

It does eject in the right direction but it would have bounced on the wall and remained there.

I will say though, that the Facebook compression algo may be responsible for that.... and likely is.

would need raw footage.

Domain Shane · Mar 20, 2019

Rob Monster said:
As for status as "public figure", I am humble enough to put truth and liberty ahead of personal prosperity or social acceptance. This is not the act of a reckless man but rather the act of someone with an eternal perspective who values truth and considers the search for truth to be a core goal of life well lived.

The Internet has been an enormous blessing to me personally. Once you acknowledge that life is not an accident, and that creation is not random, it becomes obvious that temporal rewards are of no great consequence, and that includes the fleeting plaudits (and the critiques) of others.

The Twitter exchange on Sunday was the result of a personal Twitter attack by 2 biased Twitter users who are affiliated with the incredibly biased SPLC, one of whom authored a highly defamatory and inaccurate hatewatch article about me. I replied from my personal Twitter, which I have since deleted.

As for the video itself, the part that troubled me was the discovery of material inconsistencies. Since important policies are being determined by the official narrative, it warrants discernment. Here is a 90 second video that has since been excised from YouTube that illustrates the point. It is not gruesome.

As for those members of the domain community who have taken the opportunity this week to rebuke me for allowing free speech to continue on the Internet, please know that I am neither seeking publicity or controversy. I am of sound mind. I am not a Nazi, an anti-semite, a homophobe, a misogynist, a bigot, or a racist. I believe love and understanding will overcome hate and divisiveness.

The future of the domain industry is being determined in 2019. Censorship, WHOIS privacy, sinkholing, DDoS, deplatforming, demonetization, unpersoning, are all symptoms of the disease which is a relentless desire by the few to dictate the narratives and choices to be consumed by the many.

I leave you with a very fine quote from Thomas Paine that seems apt today though it was written in 1776:

“THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated”

Blessings to all who read this thread. Hopefully it is never censored.

Rob,
Do me a favor. Rather than use your Freedom of Speech mantra for only one side, amplify the voices of those that represent the other side. Amplify the hidden videos of young black youth getting shot in the back by police. Amplify the voice of anyone on the left that is being buried by the news organizations or the perpetrators themselves. Freedom of speech is broad but you have made it political and chosen a side. Not ONCE have you defended someone of color or left leaning. Because you can't get past your beliefs and truly defend what you claim is your reasoning.

You are a conspiracy theorist that thinks the Moon Landing, JFK, and the recent shootings are hoaxes. In short, you have an agenda. It is an agenda for all to see. You have every right to that agenda. But you are dragging your hard working employees and investors down with your agenda. I feel terrible for them and they are disappointed in your actions. I know for a fact that they have told you the same

I want to remind you that you are not a martyr. Your loss of business is not for a cause, it is from stupidity.

Internet.Domains · Mar 20, 2019

Domain Shane said:
Rob,
Do me a favor. Rather than use your Freedom of Speech mantra for only one side, amplify the voices of those that represent the other side. Amplify the hidden videos of young black youth getting shot in the back by police. Amplify the voice of anyone on the left that is being buried by the news organizations or the perpetrators themselves. Freedom of speech is broad but you have made it political and chosen a side. Not ONCE have you defended someone of color or left leaning. Because you can't get past your beliefs and truly defend what you claim is your reasoning.

You are a conspiracy theorist that thinks the Moon Landing, JFK, and the recent shootings are hoaxes. In short, you have an agenda. It is an agenda for all to see. You have every right to that agenda. But you are dragging your hard working employees and investors down with your agenda. I feel terrible for them and they are disappointed in your actions. I know for a fact that they have told you the same

I want to remind you that you are not a martyr. Your loss of business is not for a cause, it is from stupidity.

Hello Brother

Bernard Wright · Mar 20, 2019

The MSM and social media are echo chambers for the left. Balance needs to be restored to the public discourse. Banning safe havens of free speech, such as Gab (the original topic of this thread), is the furthering of the leftist agenda in a direction that has a dangerous amount of momentum. Freedom of speech must be preserved, else voices of dissent become frustrated in their imposed silence.

Ever been in a relationship? Married, perhaps? Imagine every time you were engaged in an argument with your partner, they were able to mute you completely silent. Or even more, they were able to kick you out of the house until they felt like letting you back in, if they ever did. Divorce is the only solution in such case. I beleive it is people like Rob who are keeping the marriage of society from unraveling into a violent divorce.

Open discourse is vital. I don't think anyone, Rob included, should ever be expected to share an opinion with me, or you. We all have our own perspectives on things. I'm not going to tell you who to support or what to endorse.

Nobody has the right to impose their opinions or beliefs on others. We can engage in dialogue, and perhaps that will affect attitudes and beliefs. I will again defend Rob's stance in declaring his support for an open market of ideas, even if he holds ideas that are different from my own.

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