discuss Proof... still plenty of great names to be hand reg'd

ThatNameGuy said:

Thanks for the advice, but I've been naming businesses long before most of the so called domainers here were born. How many businesses have you named or started? Were you even around when Roland & Martin had the big TV "Laugh In" starring Goldie Hawn, and other well known celebs?

Again, unlike some of the others here, I do believe you're trying to help, but I do know what I'm doing. You may want to ask some of the registry and registrar owners about me? They may be just a tad smarter then most of my NP critics Finally, do you like to laugh?

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I get the connection to the comedy tv show that ran for from 1968 to 1973 for 6 seasons.
I also did mention that you could develop it. I just don't see much value on resale as just a domain name though. Names like LaughHotel dot com, LaughMotel dot com are readily available to hand register, and I wouldn't register those.

I just don't think the "Ya get it" moment with your domain is strong enough. You might get an "Oh yeah.." or two, but that's all I see.

I do hope you enjoy it though.

$5,000-$10,000+ Great name g/l

NameSplice said:

Be careful with those valuation tools.

Chuckle is a high value keyword that has an average sale price of $4989

Chuckleinn.com available
Chuckleinns.com available

Not worth the risk of investing in imo

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Thanks NameSplice, but what I'm talking about here is "risking" $8.50 for a chance to make thousands. I don't know if you ever studied risk, but if there's 1 chance in 100 you can get $1,000 for "Laugh Inn.com" the first year you own it, the return on your investment would be 18%. If you have it for 2 years and have to pay a renewal, your ROI drops to 9% and so on. One of my favorite classes in college was statistics, and you might as well have called it "risk". I've been totally dumbfounded about the domain industry ever since I stumbled on it just 18 months ago.

Having actively participated in other industries most of my life, what baffles me the most about he domain industry is the total lack of understanding about risk, and risk vs. reward. In my case, we're talking about "calculated risk" which is defined as; a hazard or chance of failure whose degree of probability has been reckoned or estimated before some undertaking is entered upon.

Things like the word "laugh" being valued at $3,400 by a recognized source like Go Daddy is huge imho. It's huge even if your investment was $100 and not just $8.50. Granted, it might not mean anything to you, but I intend to use it to my advantage when selling domains to "end users". Are you following me?

Do you understand now why I say the domain industry is the most screwed up industry ever.Verisign referred to domainers as "scalpers" and "hoarders", their words, not mine. Since their statement just four months ago, I've had a personal experience involving a registry, who once they learned that I might be interested in a domain they owned raised their price from $195 to $64,000. btw, I have all this in writing much to the chagrin of the registry owner. When this initially occurred I thought it was the most unethical business practice I'd witnessed in my 50 years of starting, naming and running businesses in America. I was so outraged that when the registry operator learned of my outrage he wanted to talk with me about it.I would only meet with him in person, and after about an hour of conversation about "business ethics" I finally said to the individual that he personally may not be "unethical", but it's most likely the Nature of the Beast (the Beast meaning the domain industry). What's funny about all this, he offered to give me the domain for free, but as you can tell from reading this, I can't and refuse to be bought.

Finally, back to "hand registering" domains, every domain I own has been hand registered, and I find it very interesting that so many "old timers" actually go out of their way to criticize the practice. The same "old timers" go out of their way when they learn of me or anyone else for that matter registering new gTLD's....makes you wonder, Nature of the Beast?

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I get the connection to the comedy tv show that ran for from 1968 to 1973 for 6 seasons.
I also did mention that you could develop it. I just don't see much value on resale as just a domain name though. Names like LaughHotel dot com, LaughMotel dot com are readily available to hand register, and I wouldn't register those.

I just don't think the "Ya get it" moment with your domain is strong enough. You might get an "Oh yeah.." or two, but that's all I see.

I do hope you enjoy it though.

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Thanks....i think you know I'm not a typical domainer the way many would like for me to be. We've been friends from afar, you in LA and me in VB, and we can politely agree to disagree. However, our disagreement is more about style than substance. With most every domain I hand register, I envision a business model behind it where I could be the one actually running the business. There has to be a huge difference in the way someone from India or China or even Australia sees this industry, even the way you and I see it. As it's said, you really can't compare apples to oranges.

This said, I do have a question for you knowing you're a realtor. You may be aware that many of my domains are industry specific. For example, I own a portfolio of a couple hundred real estate/builder/lender domains that would score at least "average" by someone other than my critics who would score it a zero. Furthermore, I would guess you're a member of a local realtor association or at least a member of a MLS. Do you think you could get other realtors interested in the domain industry? I'm not even asking that you sell them domains, but rather creating an interest in this business? My thought or idea here is to have real estate agents become domain agents everywhere there's at least a hundred realtors/mortgage lenders/builders.I would imagine in the LA area there are many thousands because in my area there are at least a couple thousand in a MSA of about 1.7M people. If you're interested in discussing it more, just send me a pm and we can talk. Thanks again for being a domain friend

ThatNameGuy said:

My thought or idea here is to have real estate agents become domain agents everywhere ..

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This was tried before by Adam Dicker and Troy Rushton, they had a whole course that realtors paid to attend and was such a great hit...it fizzled away to oblivion. Realtors, and doctors, are the hardest to sell domains to. But of course you being the smartest at naming things, and having run soooo many businesses, just may be the one to make it work. But that would entail actually having to work on and investing in it, which would take away too much time away from your constant bragging of your knowledge and smarts of what you did back...then.

ThatNameGuy said:

Thanks NameSplice, but what I'm talking about here is "risking" $8.50 for a chance to make thousands. I don't know if you ever studied risk, but if there's 1 chance in 100 you can get $1,000 for "Laugh Inn.com" the first year you own it, the return on your investment would be 18%. If you have it for 2 years and have to pay a renewal, your ROI drops to 9% and so on. One of my favorite classes in college was statistics, and you might as well have called it "risk". I've been totally dumbfounded about the domain industry ever since I stumbled on it just 18 months ago.

Having actively participated in other industries most of my life, what baffles me the most about he domain industry is the total lack of understanding about risk, and risk vs. reward. In my case, we're talking about "calculated risk" which is defined as; a hazard or chance of failure whose degree of probability has been reckoned or estimated before some undertaking is entered upon.

Things like the word "laugh" being valued at $3,400 by a recognized source like Go Daddy is huge imho. It's huge even if your investment was $100 and not just $8.50. Granted, it might not mean anything to you, but I intend to use it to my advantage when selling domains to "end users". Are you following me?

Do you understand now why I say the domain industry is the most screwed up industry ever.Verisign referred to domainers as "scalpers" and "hoarders", their words, not mine. Since their statement just four months ago, I've had a personal experience involving a registry, who once they learned that I might be interested in a domain they owned raised their price from $195 to $64,000. btw, I have all this in writing much to the chagrin of the registry owner. When this initially occurred I thought it was the most unethical business practice I'd witnessed in my 50 years of starting, naming and running businesses in America. I was so outraged that when the registry operator learned of my outrage he wanted to talk with me about it.I would only meet with him in person, and after about an hour of conversation about "business ethics" I finally said to the individual that he personally may not be "unethical", but it's most likely the Nature of the Beast (the Beast meaning the domain industry). What's funny about all this, he offered to give me the domain for free, but as you can tell from reading this, I can't and refuse to be bought.

Finally, back to "hand registering" domains, every domain I own has been hand registered, and I find it very interesting that so many "old timers" actually go out of their way to criticize the practice. The same "old timers" go out of their way when they learn of me or anyone else for that matter registering new gTLD's....makes you wonder, Nature of the Beast?

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You had a chance to buy a name you really wanted for only $195 and instead of buying it you told them you were interested in it and gave them a chance to rethink the price. Seriously?

Another Bulloney thread about how something is great because I say so versus because I was able to sell it at a profit.

hookbox said:

You had a chance to buy a name you really wanted for only $195 and instead of buying it you told them you were interested in it and gave them a chance to rethink the price. Seriously?

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Oh, and even better...

ThatNameGuy said:

he offered to give me the domain for free, but as you can tell from reading this, I can't and refuse to be bought.

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He showed them! No one will give him anything he really wants for 'free'! (One...just can't learn these type of 'business' smarts.)

hawkeye said:

This was tried before by Adam Dicker and Troy Rushton, they had a whole course that realtors paid to attend and was such a great hit...it fizzled away to oblivion. Realtors, and doctors, are the hardest to sell domains to. But of course you being the smartest at naming things, and having run soooo many businesses, just may be the one to make it work. But that would entail actually having to work on and investing in it, which would take away too much time away from your constant bragging of your knowledge and smarts of what you did back...then.

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Too funny Hawkeye...i don't know where you get your information about selling to doctors and realtors, but I rarely sold my medical billing systems (hardware and software) to doctors, but rather to their office administrators and office managers. As far as realtors are concerned with names like "Adam" and "Troy", Gen Xer's can't sell their way out of a wet paper bag. Of all people, "salesmen" themselves have always been known to be the easiest sale on the street....just Google it to learn why.

I enjoy the banter Hawkeye, you really do make me laugh Thanks for the memories

hookbox said:

You had a chance to buy a name you really wanted for only $195 and instead of buying it you told them you were interested in it and gave them a chance to rethink the price. Seriously?

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hookbox...please don't pretend like you know the whole story because you don't. You know what they say about assumptions

I would agree there is a huge disconnect between what businesses spend on travel, IT projects, professional services, marketing and domain names. One often wonders how a business generating millions in annual revenue gives so little thought to the domain selection process or feels a social media presence alone is adequate. But after several years in this industry I would have to say you are underestimating how challenging selling domain names is.

Ahh another "everybody with experience and history in the industry is wrong, and I am right because i can see it now" thread.

Bottom line is, its your money and you can spend it how you like

ThatNameGuy said:

Thanks NameSplice, but what I'm talking about here is "risking" $8.50 for a chance to make thousands. I don't know if you ever studied risk, but if there's 1 chance in 100 you can get $1,000 for "Laugh Inn.com" the first year you own it, the return on your investment would be 18%. If you have it for 2 years and have to pay a renewal, your ROI drops to 9% and so on. One of my favorite classes in college was statistics, and you might as well have called it "risk". I've been totally dumbfounded about the domain industry ever since I stumbled on it just 18 months ago.

Having actively participated in other industries most of my life, what baffles me the most about he domain industry is the total lack of understanding about risk, and risk vs. reward. In my case, we're talking about "calculated risk" which is defined as; a hazard or chance of failure whose degree of probability has been reckoned or estimated before some undertaking is entered upon.

Things like the word "laugh" being valued at $3,400 by a recognized source like Go Daddy is huge imho. It's huge even if your investment was $100 and not just $8.50. Granted, it might not mean anything to you, but I intend to use it to my advantage when selling domains to "end users". Are you following me?

Do you understand now why I say the domain industry is the most screwed up industry ever.Verisign referred to domainers as "scalpers" and "hoarders", their words, not mine. Since their statement just four months ago, I've had a personal experience involving a registry, who once they learned that I might be interested in a domain they owned raised their price from $195 to $64,000. btw, I have all this in writing much to the chagrin of the registry owner. When this initially occurred I thought it was the most unethical business practice I'd witnessed in my 50 years of starting, naming and running businesses in America. I was so outraged that when the registry operator learned of my outrage he wanted to talk with me about it.I would only meet with him in person, and after about an hour of conversation about "business ethics" I finally said to the individual that he personally may not be "unethical", but it's most likely the Nature of the Beast (the Beast meaning the domain industry). What's funny about all this, he offered to give me the domain for free, but as you can tell from reading this, I can't and refuse to be bought.

Finally, back to "hand registering" domains, every domain I own has been hand registered, and I find it very interesting that so many "old timers" actually go out of their way to criticize the practice. The same "old timers" go out of their way when they learn of me or anyone else for that matter registering new gTLD's....makes you wonder, Nature of the Beast?

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My post was not so much directed to you.
You've been here longer than me and should know by now not to rely soley on automated appraisal tools.

Newcomers/lurkers may come here and be influenced by your statement...

ThatNameGuy said:

Just as an fyi, I've started accumulating a mini portfolio of "Laugh" domains especially after learning this; "Valuable keyword: laugh is a high value keyword that has an average sale price of $3400."

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And then go on a reg spree, wasting money, creating names and mini portfolios based off of this,thinking they have valuable names because GD tool said so.
Not how it works

I just gave an example of a similar word (that had a higher average sale price than laugh btw) of a crappy keyword.
Only two sales shown on namebio with keyword "chuckle"

Was just stating be careful with those tools and do research,that's all.

Being creative only helps in domaining to a certain degree, then it starts to hurt the domainer. Sure, occasionally you can think of a really cool name and bam it is there for you. But to sit there and type in names in to see it taken and say "I just need to be more creative" just means your settling for whats there. To do that over and over is a big mistake IMO. (I know because I did that when I first started and it nearly led to my failure in year 2)

If no one thought of it once in 25 years, likely it wont be thought of in the future, which means no one comes knocking on your door.

Grego85 said:

Being creative only helps in domaining to a certain degree, then it starts to hurt the domainer. Sure, occasionally you can think of a really cool name and bam it is there for you. But to sit there and type in names in to see it taken and say "I just need to be more creative" just means your settling for whats there. To do that over and over is a big mistake IMO. (I know because I did that when I first started and it nearly led to my failure in year 2)

If no one thought of it once in 25 years, likely it wont be thought of in the future, which means no one comes knocking on your door.

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And that's ONLY your opinion Grego. I own about 100 new .homes domains, ALL hand registered using my little creative pea brain. I own names like; Distinction.homes where DistinctionHomes(.)com is for sale for $3,000, Sonoma.homes where SonomaHomes(.)com is valued at $3,744 and Johnson.homes where JohnsonHomes.com is for sale for $20,000. Why in the world do you think I hand registered Johnson.homes for $10 knowing the reg fee will go up to $30 in a year? Seriously, if you can't figure it out, I'll do my best to explain it to you so that a first grader can understand. I don't know whether to laugh or cry, but maybe I'm living somewhere in the domain twilight zone Help me please...I've fallen and I can't get up

ThatNameGuy said:

You missed my point entirely...the $3,400 valuation of the word "laugh" is merely a sales "aid" when it comes to selling your domains to "end users". Maybe you just sell to other domainers? If you don't think newbies understand the concept, what do you think about the "end user". Now do you understand? I don't think so, but even the experienced "old timers" don't get it, or at least they won't admit it. If you honestly don't understand the concept, I doubt you ever will

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No bulloney, YOU don't understand the concept! You give and tell all of us here we don't know or understand domains and how to sell them to endusers, yet not only can you not sell 'one' of your domains to all the cheap buying domain 'resellers' here, but you have yet to sell 'one' of your domains to an enduser. Your advice and defensive rants would be so much more understood here if you can/will/would tell us (especially after all these 'meetings' you have set up with corps etc.), of just 'one' enduser you have sold a domain to. Just ONE! But all your bragging and chest pounding to others here means absolutely 'nothing' to anyone other than you sounding like some loser who can only do that, but can't back up anything with 'proof'. I'm sure you'll retort with one of your condescending ramblings, but if you want to be respected here (if ever possible now), stop degrading everyone with your superior 'I know more than everyone here' insults and show the people here some type of 'proof' you're more than just a braggadocios blow hard! Not a hard thing to do, if you can!

ThatNameGuy said:

hookbox...please don't pretend like you know the whole story because you don't. You know what they say about assumptions

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You told the whole story. What am I missing?

ThatNameGuy said:

You missed my point entirely...the $3,400 valuation of the word "laugh" is merely a sales "aid" when it comes to selling your domains to "end users". Maybe you just sell to other domainers? If you don't think newbies understand the concept, what do you think about the "end user". Now do you understand? I don't think so, but even the experienced "old timers" don't get it, or at least they won't admit it. If you honestly don't understand the concept, I doubt you ever will

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Wow!

Ignored

Ps. Don't need to know about your trade show booth strategy either.

You talk about risk vs reward and odds as if you calculated them.

Odds and net profits are basic mathematics, but there's none of that in your post. You just made up your 1% chance of selling for thousands this year. The chance is nowhere near that high. It's virtually non-existent.

So you're the one who doesn't know what he's talking about.

I really should stop reading these threads, they're all the same. OP is always a genius free thinker without a domain sale, and the rest are sheeple who fail to see their vision.

I agree he doesn't seem to have data to calculate odds. In 3 years of domaining I sell 2% of my names via inbound. Better than his 1% assumption (presumably). Talking to other domainers, 2-3% has been is a common sales rate.

Lord Antares said:

You talk about risk vs reward and odds as if you calculated them.

Odds and net profits are basic mathematics, but there's none of that in your post. You just made up your 1% chance of selling for thousands this year. The chance is nowhere near that high. It's virtually non-existent.

So you're the one who doesn't know what he's talking about.

I really should stop reading these threads, they're all the same. OP is always a genius free thinker without a domain sale, and the rest are sheeple who fail to see their vision.

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Oh Lord....where have you been? And NO, i used the example "if" you were to sell 1 domain in a hundred for one thousand dollars what you're return would be. I know EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Where did you go to school? If you're incapable of selling one domain out of 100 in a year then you really should move on. This business obviously isn't for you

ThatNameGuy said:

If you're incapable of selling one domain out of 100 in a year then you really should move on. This business obviously isn't for you

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And how many domains do you have, and have sold in your year and half of domaining?? You may want to take your own advice. Ooops, forgot you take 'no one's advice' because....you know everything! The irony...

ThatNameGuy said:

maybe I'm living somewhere in the domain twilight zone

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Truer words..

I will say I actually do like Johnson.Homes. You can score with the hand reg sometimes. Especially when the extensions first launch.