The USA Political Thread

enlytend said:

Mosque shooting - horrible. I didn’t see the video nor would I want to. Another hate filled sick f*ck.

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Yeah. When this was breaking last night and I was clicking around Twitter, that video was popping up. Like I said, it looked like a video game/movie but it was real. 49 dead. Back in the day one of the controversial subjects was should networks broadcast an execution, I think it was actually Geraldo that wanted to do it. Now we live in an age where somebody can livestream a massacre. I read the archive of the site where he first posted he was going to do it, linked to FB livestream. When they found out it was real, they were cheering him on. Some sick people.

Side note, this is the type of case where I'm fine with the death penalty. 100% guilty, no chance for rehab. It would be justice. But:
"New Zealand does not have the death penalty as part of their punishment system. Capital punishment was retained for treason until the Abolition of the Death Penalty Act in 1989."

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What gets lost in the mess that is Trump, is all the things done that are hurting the environment under his administration. There just isn't another place out there where we can breath fresh air and travel around and see mountains, seas and such.

Global Climate Strike: Students around the world protest climate inaction
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news...ents-protest-climate-inaction-intl/index.html

JB Lions said:

She ain't running, big boys and girls are. I just noticed Beto has some big teeth, he's warrior breed. He's going to Ride The Lightning, Beto aka TrumpSlayer.

This came out today:

Summer Zervos' lawsuit against President Donald Trump can proceed, court rules
https://abcnews.go.com/US/summer-ze...-donald-trump-proceed-court/story?id=61682106

I don't mess with people that have big teeth or cauliflower ear.

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She doesn’t have to run, the fact the party appears to condone her actions and stance on making America a socialist government, along with the that other lady freshman senators stance on Israel and the Jewish folks, both of them are front page daily with ignorant shit, people are paying attention, and yes, they do represent the Democratic Party , and no one in the party is scrutinizing Cortez from the party, so that speaks loudly.

The baby boomers, Gen X and ladies and gentlemen who did tours of war will block the 2020 election from the Democratic Party. Just like they did last election, but for an actual reason this time around, America will not be under a Socialistic government while the above are alive.

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She doesn’t have to run, the fact the party appears to condone her actions and stance on making America a socialist government, along with the that other lady freshman senators stance on Israel and the Jewish folks, both of them are front page daily with ignorant sh*t, people are paying attention, and yes, they do represent the Democratic Party , and no one in the party is scrutinizing Cortez from the party, so that speaks loudly.

The baby boomers, Gen X and ladies and gentlemen who did tours of war will block the 2020 election from the Democratic Party. Just like they did last election, but for an actual reason this time around, America will not be under a Socialistic government while the above are alive.

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We've went over this many times. Again, she said the same stuff Trump said. And, people are free to speak their mind. Both parties have moderates and those to the far left/right. And.............she's not running for President.

Video: Muslim Woman Confronts Chelsea Clinton, Accuses Her of “Stoking” New Zealand Terror Attack Massacre With Ilhan Omar Criticism,
Chelsea Clinton was confronted by an angry Muslim woman as she attended a memorial at NYU Friday evening for the victims of Friday’s terror attacks that massacred 49 Muslims at two New Zealand mosques. The Muslim woman blamed Clinton for the attacks because she criticized the anti-Semitism of Muslim Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN).

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...or-attack-massacre-with-ilhan-omar-criticism/

JB Lions said:

We've went over this many times. Again, she said the same stuff Trump said. And, people are free to speak their mind. Both parties have moderates to the far left/right. And.............she's not running for President.

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JB Lions said:

We've went over this many times. Again, she said the same stuff Trump said. And, people are free to speak their mind. Both parties have moderates and those to the far left/right. And.............she's not running for President.

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Yep, You are right, right now both parties are struggling very hard, the whole Trump cabinet is under investigation and many indicted, The Democrats are under major scrutiny for talking out the side of their mouths.

I don't think Americans are ready for an independent just yet, but by the time 2020 gets here, we just might be ready to cut the bullshit and vote in an independent to break up the monotony and get on track for what is best for the country and the people, time will tell.

enlytend said:

Mosque shooting - horrible. I didn’t see the video nor would I want to. Another hate filled sick f*ck.

Speaking of hate - POTUS threatening violence towards his opponents again? Barely a blip on the news cycle. WTAF? Since when is that ok in this country? This is straight from Banana Republic Dictatorship 101. And they’re not “his” military or police - they’re OURS.
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1106275066814312456?s=21

2 bit mobster wannabe.

AOC - as I’ve said many times, I don’t agree with a lot of the things she wants. But if you’re writing her off as stupid, you’re making a big mistake. Overall, she seems to be doing her job and doing it well. Maybe you don’t like her, don’t like her voice, whatever, but don’t underestimate her.
https://twitter.com/owillis/status/1106299374693437445?s=21

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I saw the full video, It is horrid as hell, I can not believe our world has become so evil, I am glad it was taken off the net so kids don't have access to it now. innocent people praying their faith and getting obliterated by a spineless piece of shits. very very disturbing. I pray every day for all this shit to stop and the world live in peace.

You’re taking that out of context. The point she was making was that “thoughts and prayers” are nice but not constructive courses of action. Which is true.

Every time we have a mass shooting politicians offer “thoughts and prayers” and take no real action. Then there’s another incident - rinse and repeat.

As of yesterday, semi automatic weapons are banned in New Zealand.

Topic related reading:

United States Government Accountability Office
Report to Congressional Requesters
COUNTERING VIOLENT EXTREMISM
https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

Lots of interesting info in these kinds of reports, before it gets spun by talking heads on the right or the left.

Incidents by far right extremists outnumber those by Muslim extremists almost 3 to 1 - 62 vs 23.
Fatalities - 106 vs 119. More attacks on individuals by far right extremists, which is probably why they get less press coverage. But a significant and growing problem. One incident like the NZ mosque on US soil and those numbers would flip pretty quickly. Or that coast guard who they caught before he did anything - that story disappeared from the news cycle much faster than it should have.

Our POTUS should read some of these reports before weighing in. And maybe start thinking before he opens his mouth in general, seeing as how this guy cited him as an inspiration. There are some good reports on immigrants too which he apparently never read. Maybe they need to make a readers digest or picture book version.

enlytend said:

You’re taking that out of context. The point she was making was that “thoughts and prayers” are nice but not constructive courses of action. Which is true....

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Context:
"What good are your thoughts & prayers when they don’t even keep the pews safe?" - AOC

Petty political opportunism.

Every time we have a mass shooting politicians offer “thoughts and prayers” and take no real action. Then there’s another incident - rinse and repeat.

As of yesterday, semi automatic weapons are banned in New Zealand.

Topic related reading:

United States Government Accountability Office
Report to Congressional Requesters
COUNTERING VIOLENT EXTREMISM
https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

Lots of interesting info in these kinds of reports, before it gets spun by talking heads on the right or the left.

Incidents by far right extremists outnumber those by Muslim extremists almost 3 to 1 - 62 vs 23.
Fatalities - 106 vs 119. More attacks on individuals by far right extremists, which is probably why they get less press coverage. But a significant and growing problem. One incident like the NZ mosque on US soil and those numbers would flip pretty quickly. Or that coast guard who they caught before he did anything - that story disappeared from the news cycle much faster than it should have.

Our POTUS should read some of these reports before weighing in. And maybe start thinking before he opens his mouth in general, seeing as how this guy cited him as an inspiration. There are some good reports on immigrants too which he apparently never read. Maybe they need to make a readers digest or picture book version.

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Everything Cortez says is apparently out of context, because she comes across as an absolute idiot. Complete, unapologetic idiot. Uneducated, naive, ignorant of social, economic and moral issues.

But on the upside, as long as democrats keep electing idiots to congress they will never be able to get a democrat elected President.

They had better luck when they actually tried to disguise their socialistic bias as elitism.

You can bet that the revenge from Muslims, for the senseless carnage in NZ is gonna be 100 times worse...

In the meantime... 120 Christians Slaughtered By Muslim Herders In Nigeria – MSM MEDIA SILENT
As media outlets across the world bring you the minute-by-minute updates of the Christchurch mosque shooting in New Zealand, those same outlets have been mostly silent on the recent mass slaughter of Christians in Nigeria by Muslim herdsmen. Those attacks have resulted in 120 dead and 140 homes burned to the ground.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ed-by-muslim-herders-in-nigeria-media-silent/

Are you going to hold your breath waiting for Huffington Post, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, Nancy Pelosi, and the Southern Poverty Law Center to condemn these attacks?

enlytend said:

https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

Incidents by far right extremists outnumber those by Muslim extremists almost 3 to 1 - 62 vs 23.
Fatalities - 106 vs 119. More attacks on individuals by far right extremists, which is probably why they get less press coverage. But a significant and growing problem. One incident like the NZ mosque on US soil and those numbers would flip pretty quickly. Or that coast guard who they caught before he did anything - that story disappeared from the news cycle much faster than it should have.

Our POTUS should read some of these reports before weighing in. And maybe start thinking before he opens his mouth in general, seeing as how this guy cited him as an inspiration. There are some good reports on immigrants too which he apparently never read. Maybe they need to make a readers digest or picture book version.

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The 9/11 attacks happened on Tuesday September 11, 2001.

The above reports and stats that Enlytend dug up, conveniently only start on September 12, 2001... one day AFTER the 9/11 attacks.

Also, only the major attacks by Muslims are reported. There were lots more smaller attacks that are not part of the stats.

Here´s one example I can remember:
Justine Damond, a 40-year-old Australian-American woman, was shot and killed by Mohamed Noor, a Somali-American Minneapolis Police Department officer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Justine_Damond

Also, Right wing attackers are referred to as White supremacists or Nazis, while Muslim attackers are referred to as Perpetrators.

Very biased and totally incomplete reports, made to show how right wing attacks are soooo much worse than Muslim attacks.

Like Abraham Lincoln said; You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.

GILSAN said:

You can bet that the revenge from Muslims, for the senseless carnage in NZ is gonna be 100 times worse...

In the meantime... 120 Christians Slaughtered By Muslim Herders In Nigeria – MSM MEDIA SILENT
As media outlets across the world bring you the minute-by-minute updates of the Christchurch mosque shooting in New Zealand, those same outlets have been mostly silent on the recent mass slaughter of Christians in Nigeria by Muslim herdsmen. Those attacks have resulted in 120 dead and 140 homes burned to the ground.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ed-by-muslim-herders-in-nigeria-media-silent/

Are you going to hold your breath waiting for Huffington Post, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, Nancy Pelosi, and the Southern Poverty Law Center to condemn these attacks?

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I expected a response like this. I checked the other site, the one GD dropped and they were celebrating the massacre. You see Gilsan show any sympathy here? No, he's a disgusting human being. First thing that comes to mind is try to flip it, talk about something else.

I will point out we've talked/the media about all kinds of stories. The media is going to focus more on domestic terrorism, lone people type incidents, than ones in warzones. We've talked about Dylan Roof massacre, that was a Church full of Christians. We've talked about the Sutherland Church Massacre, another 26 killed. Again, Christians. We recently talked about the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting. We talked about the Las Vegas shooting, do you think country music fans are going to be more Muslim or Christian? So we talk about it all, but when something like this comes up, sympathy out the door, try to change the subject.

They were all white males by the way. This one, yet another White Supremacist type.

And btw, Gilsan just posted more bs. Shocking. Those numbers you posted weren't one time event numbers, the 120. And read about:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...deadliest-terror-group-in-world-a6739851.html

"As much as 92 per cent of their attacks target private citizens, reflecting the group’s primary concern over the ownership of farmland. Each attack claims an average of 11 lives, with the largest known in April 2014 killing as many as 200 people after a group of the militants targeted community leaders and residents during a meeting in central province Zamfara."

It's about farmland, not because they're Christian. It's like the white genocide conspiracy nonsense that gets posted, or tweeted by Trump, who has contributed to this type of nonsense. Pointing out that white farmers have been murdered. Yes, but so have black farmers, nobody is safe. People are trying to get land, to grow food and such. I don't think they care who is on it, white or black, Christian or Muslim or whatever.

iowadawg said:

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To be unaware. You guys are trying that with AOC.Talk about free speech all day, she says something that you guys don't like. Kick her out. Bunch of free speech frauds.

The more that comes in, the more that the media look like fake news on this one:

ha

On the recent non-binding vote (420-0) in Congress about releasing the Mueller Report, I told leadership to let all Republicans vote for transparency. Makes us all look good and doesn’t matter. Play along with the game!
Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 3h3 hours ago

iowadawg said:

The more that comes in, the more that the media look like fake news on this one:

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Hey look, more posting that leaves stuff out.

Copy and paste from his manifesto:
Were/are you a supporter of Donald Trump?
As a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose? Sure.

This is some of the same type of stuff the guy has in his manifesto. Beware, beware, beware of the Muslims, when our domestic terrorism issues in the United States are with white male supremacists.

Among the rest, that POS in NZ killed a 3 year old and a 4 year old.

Little kids. Not even school age.

I hope our resident islamophobes (you know who you are) are still human enough to find that sickening, even though you’ll never come out and admit it.

That report that I “dug up” is an official US government report. I’m sure there are many more. If you don’t like what that one covers, get off your lazy a** and find another one, instead of reposting memes and 3rd and 4th hand right wing conspiracy crap.

9/11 was an attack engineered by a foreign organization and committed by foreigners (btw most from a country which our POTUS and family have been cozying up to.) The incidents in the report seem to be focusing on domestic terrorism.

And none of that nullifies the fact that there’s been an increase in violent domestic incidents by extremist white supremecist types.

It doesn’t matter what label or spin you put on the perpetrator or the victims - at the end of the day a hate crime is a hate crime - these are all horrific incidents and a tragic loss of lives.

For all the whining and hand wringing about NZ banning semi automatic weapons, it seems to have worked well for Australia. Let’s see if it works for NZ.