opinion Name some domains you think actually look BETTER as a gTLD than a dot com

Cyril.Best said:

You said it yourself, you don't want to look at data at scale and prefer to create your own world.

Taking any business decision on its own perception, is the biggest mistake that can make an entrepreneur.

First, it is stupid, laughable, ... well it's simply not a good idea.

This is the reality : (not your, not mine) - And reality is "the best" beats "the top" !

All the .Best,

CF

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No, I did not say that I don't want to look at data (in general), I just said that the data you provided is complete irrelevant to what I mean/t.

So again, I am not ignoring data (in general), I am just not always impressed by them because I prefer to be innovative - in other words, I prefer to create data or to choose the data that I see as the most relevant criteria in my context.

And this is not the same like creating my own world because the data I create through my domain names, websites, posts etc. becomes part of the world wide web and therefore it becomes general data, no matter how visible.

You can show me all search trends you want - it will simply never change the fact what best means and what top means - and that's what I am talking about.
I am not talking about search trends.
I am talking about the reason why a term exists: Its meaning. - and this is the most relevant data for me in this case.
And the meaning of top is highest (point of whatever) while the meaning of best is best (of whatever). but not highest (point of whatever) because this is already the meaning of top my .best friend.

So regarding its meaning, the term top tops (beats) the term best in terms of height without any doubt and this is the whole secret, this is enough data for me in this case.
Simple as that.

It's ok that you find that stupid and / or laughableee
Feel free to laughhh
You believe it's simply not a good ideaaa
Well, that's your right of course, I respect your believeee
And of course I also respect "your" TLD .best although it is not .top ...

... I even registered a .best domain name as you knowww

DOMAIN ILLUMINATI said:

It's ok that you find that stupid and / or laughableee
Feel free to laughhh
You believe it's simply not a good ideaaa
Well, that's your right of course, I respect your believeee
And of course I also respect "your" TLD .best although it is not .top ...

... I even registered a .best domain name as you knowww

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Guy, I don't want to make it funny. I am just saying that taking a business decision on focus group of 1 is stupid - and very honestly I apologize if it hurted you coz that was not my intention.

Trying to spread the focus, my overall feeling is that this is the global problem of the domain name industry since the ngtld program in 2012 : Considering the value of domain, people are not looking at the domain name usage first.

And this is why people are now with domains without a single usage and so with no value at the end.

Traders buy domains because they are emotional with the names and it's not a good idea.

Saying that "meaning of top is highest (point of whatever) while the meaning of best is best (of whatever)" is emotional ! It's naive, subjective and it is not related to any report or data at scale my friend.

Don't want to hurt you but it is business my friend.

Real/Big Buyers buy a domain because of the usage and the real business value that it can bring to them.

Do you think that we are actually selling a domain for 7 digits on the emotion of the buyer ? Seriously ?

The difference is that right now traders doesn't sold their ngtlds domains while we already sold .Best domains for 6-digits to big and real buyers. For instance, I heard today that a trader get and refuse an offer of $38K for wedding.Best.

My concern is that the first metric to value a domain name should be the usage first otherwise on the long term your portfolio will collapse like it happened on the crypto market : Usage First !

Do you know why for instance we bought the .Best and not another generic string like .online, .website, global, .xyz, ... ?

Just because for 1 .com domain there is multiple .Best possibilities in terms of usage.

Coz guess what : brands will never replace their .com with a .global, or a .xyz domain at scale.

But brands are actually buying .Best domains to promote their product or service to show they are the Best.

And it's not because they have an ego problem : it's just because they saw that this is exactly what people are looking for at scale in google as I showed you : the Best hotel, the Best restaurant, the Best spa, the best plumber, the best lawyer, the Best laptop, ...

That is fucking data at scale and there is nothing emotional in this.

Other Generic TLD have a business potential of probably 1%-3% of the .com market (means 5 Millions max) while the .Best has a usage potential of +100M domains !

.Best is not a .com competitor / it is complementary in terms of usage and trust me that will make the difference at the end of the game :



Like I said, I am not trying to convince you and what I like is that you doesn't hold the past on a pedestal like a lot of .com domain investors but my friend, there is no innovation if there is no innovation at scale (and btw this is exactly why we are launching THE.Best social network up to the .Best TLD : to get a real and fast usage of the .Best TLD at scale)

All the .Best,

Let me know if I can help you with .Best names from our reserved list.

CF

Cyril.Best said:

Guy, I don't want to make it funny. I am just saying that taking a business decision on focus group of 1 is stupid - and very honestly I apologize if it hurted you coz that was not my intention.

Trying to spread the focus, my overall feeling is that this is the global problem of the domain name industry since the ngtld program in 2012 : Considering the value of domain, people are not looking at the domain name usage first.

And this is why people are now with domains without a single usage and so with no value at the end.

Traders buy domains because they are emotional with the names and it's not a good idea.

Saying that "meaning of top is highest (point of whatever) while the meaning of best is best (of whatever)" is emotional ! It's naive, subjective and it is not related to any report or data at scale my friend.

Don't want to hurt you but it is business my friend.

Real/Big Buyers buy a domain because of the usage and the real business value that it can bring to them.

Do you think that we are actually selling a domain for 7 digits on the emotion of the buyer ? Seriously ?

The difference is that right now traders doesn't sold their ngtlds domains while we already sold .Best domains for 6-digits to big and real buyers. For instance, I heard today that a trader get and refuse an offer of $38K for wedding.Best.

My concern is that the first metric to value a domain name should be the usage first otherwise on the long term your portfolio will collapse like it happened on the crypto market : Usage First !

Do you know why for instance we bought the .Best and not another generic string like .online, .website, global, .xyz, ... ?

Just because for 1 .com domain there is multiple .Best possibilities in terms of usage.

Coz guess what : brands will never replace their .com with a .global, or a .xyz domain at scale.

But brands are actually buying .Best domains to promote their product or service to show they are the Best.

And it's not because they have an ego problem : it's just because they saw that this is exactly what people are looking for at scale in google as I showed you : the Best hotel, the Best restaurant, the Best spa, the best plumber, the best lawyer, the Best laptop, ...

That is f*cking data at scale and there is nothing emotional in this.

Other Generic TLD have a business potential of probably 1%-3% of the .com market (means 5 Millions max) while the .Best has a usage potential of +100M domains !

.Best is not a .com competitor / it is complementary in terms of usage and trust me that will make the difference at the end of the game :

Like I said, I am not trying to convince you and what I like is that you doesn't hold the past on a pedestal like a lot of .com domain investors but my friend, there is no innovation if there is no innovation at scale (and btw this is exactly why we are launching THE.Best social network up to the .Best TLD : to get a real and fast usage of the .Best TLD at scale)

All the .Best,

Let me know if I can help you with .Best names from our reserved list.

CF

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Dear .best CEO,

if you don't want to make it funny, then simply don't make it funy - nobody is forcing you to make it funy and I see it as a serious conversationnn

To say "... the meaning of top is highest (point of whatever) while the meaning of best is best (of whatever) but not highest (point of whatever) because ..." is absolutely not an emotional statement.
It is much more a semantical fact from a (the english) language.

I have not invented these 2 words (top / best) nor I gave them their meaning.
I am just comparing them (their meaning) and its clear to me that the term top is above the term best in terms of height.

Wiktionary about top
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/best

Wiktionary about best
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/best

The circumstance that you are the (co -) owner of a TLD while I am the owner of the most expensive domain of all time, is the reason why we have different concepts of domaining.
Your goal is based on data at scale, my goal is based on the UHNWI's demand on status symbols and based on psychologyyy

PS
No reason to apologize, we are just discussing and you did not hurt any feelings.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with it, to say what one think is stupid or laughable.
I am just sure, time will change your view

DOMAIN ILLUMINATI said:

To say "... the meaning of top is highest (point of whatever) while the meaning of best is best (of whatever) but not highest (point of whatever) because ..." is absolutely not an emotional statement.
It is much more a semantical fact from a (the english) language.

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My friend, the meaning of a word is all about emotion coz it's all subjective !

For one word, you can have different meanings, different interpretations (even tiny one between best and top for instance) and this is why it is so emotional.

The proof is : if the meaning of a word was not subjective or emotional, we should agree all together on the same meaning for the same word : for the top or the best and we don't !

So imagine, that if it is not possible just for you and I - what it is for others.

Same thing for all words and so for all domain names - otherwise everybody will agree on the same value for a same domain name that is absolutely not the case. Just look at this thread

And this is exactly what I am saying from the begining and why this industry is collapsing : if you base your domain investment on your own subjective psychology : you will fail !

Same as claiming that you are the owner of the most expensive domain of all time : without any related data at scale it's just subjective and without any interest - except for your own ego.

Trust me, only trust in data at scale and you will avoid a lot of business problems with your subjective psychology.

All the .Best

CF

Cyril.Best said:

Trust me, only trust in data at scale and you will avoid a lot of business problems with your subjective psychology.

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Word! This is exactly how I see it.

To become a successful domainer, you’ll better spend a decent percentage of your time searching existing data and statistics. This will teach you a lot about current trends and which domains that are more likely to sell than others.

Many domainers seems to buy names without analyzing any data at all. I think that is a highly counterproductive strategy.

Cyril.Best said:

My friend, the meaning of a word is all about emotion coz it's all subjective !

For one word, you can have different meanings, different interpretations (even tiny one between best and top for instance) and this is why it is so emotional.

The proof is : if the meaning of a word was not subjective or emotional, we should agree all together on the same meaning for the same word : for the top or the best and we don't !

So imagine, that if it is not possible just for you and I - what it is for others.

Same thing for all words and so for all domain names - otherwise everybody will agree on the same value for a same domain name that is absolutely not the case. Just look at this thread

And this is exactly what I am saying from the begining and why this industry is collapsing : if you base your domain investment on your own subjective psychology : you will fail !

Same as claiming that you are the owner of the most expensive domain of all time : without any related data at scale it's just subjective and without any interest - except for your own ego.

Trust me, only trust in data at scale and you will avoid a lot of business problems with your subjective psychology.

All the .Best

CF

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...with all due respect, to say that "...the meaning of a word is all about emotion coz it's all subjective..." is one of the biggest nonsense I have read since a whileee

The meaning of a word is not based on emotion nor it is subjective - the meaning of a word is definitely defined, that's why dictionaries exist.

One of the best online dictionaries is Wiktionary, there you will find the definition(s) of words.

The only thing that is subjective, is the understanding of the defined meaning.
I am not responsible if someone don't (or don't want) understand / accept the defined meaning of the word top.

But of course you are right that a word can have different meanings.
The point is just, that these different meanings are also all defined.

The proof for that is every text / conversation.
This one for example.
We write us and discuss because we understand each other because we have and use a language (english in this case) that is based on words that all have (a) defined meaning(s) / (a) definition(s).
If this would not be the case, we could not write / discuss because we would not understand each other.

So I am really wondering why you still do not understand or don't want to accept the first meaning / definition of the word top although it is definitely defined.
It is defined in its meaning(s) like any other word is defined in its meaning.
It has more than one meaning, yes - but the first meaning is highest (point of whatever) and this is not my subjective idea, nor it is based on any emotion.
It is simply a semantical fact.
Like it is a fact that the defined meaning of the word best is best (of / in whatever).

What I do, is that I combine these facts (the defined meaning(s) of words) with every experience = information = data that I got in my life und then I create a domain name out of it.
In other words, I observe the world I live in and create domain names I am convinced that will be demanded.

So you see, I use data very welll
They are a mix of general available data (the defined first meaning of the word top) and my own data (psychological analysis of rich people's behave / demand for status symbols).

Trust me, it is not enough to trust only in public data at scale as private domain creator / owner (that offers not a TLD for rent, like you do), it is important to be creativeee

Just think about high end sales of abstract art ...
... most people will never understand why people buy / pay super high prices for things that are irrational at first glanceee

Fancy.domains said:

Word! This is exactly how I see it.

To become a successful domainer, you’ll better spend a decent percentage of your time searching existing data and statistics. This will teach you a lot about current trends and which domains that are more likely to sell than others.

Many domainers seems to buy names without analyzing any data at all. I think that is a highly counterproductive strategy.

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Can't say it Better !

DOMAIN ILLUMINATI said:

Just think about high end sales of abstract art ...
... most people will never understand why people buy / pay super high prices for things that are irrational at first glanceee

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You confirmed by your words exactly what we all mean there : Art is all about emotions and it's all subjective.

Difference my friend : Domaining is not an art - It's a Business !

@Fancy.domains said it also : To become a successful domainer, you’ll better spend a decent percentage of your time searching existing data and statistics.

And you will fail if you treat your business as an art !

^ no offence, but I think when a registry CEO starts telling us how to domain, is when we take a step back and say "stick to the knitting, brother"

BTW, depending on your style and MO, domaining is an art!

Cyril.Best said:

You confirmed by your words exactly what we all mean there : Art is all about emotions and it's all subjective.

Difference my friend : Domaining is not an art - It's a Business !

@Fancy.domains said it also : To become a successful domainer, you’ll better spend a decent percentage of your time searching existing data and statistics.

And you will fail if you treat your business as an art !

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Plus, look at your explanations : "What I do, is that I combine these facts (the defined meaning(s) of words) with every experience =information = data that I got in my life und then I create a domain name out of it. In other words, I observe the world I live in and create domain names I am convinced that will be demanded."

You and only you !

Like I said earlier, you base your business strategy on a focus group of 1 : You !

This is the craziest business strategy i heard but it's up to you buddy : It's not my money !

Trust me, I put 3 successfull companies in the stock exchange and when it's about how to conduct a successfull business, I know when someone is going in the wrong direction.

But it's never too late to shift your mindset. I know it's hard coz you have to go against all that you are probably but that's the beauty of entrepreneur life : it is still possible for everybody to change for the Best

HotKey said:

^ no offence, but I think when a registry CEO starts telling us how to domain, is when we take a step back and say "stick to the knitting, brother"

BTW, depending on your style and MO, domaining is an art!

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@HotKey - I am not offense don't worry but all successfull domainers treat domaining as a business - not as an art.

Considering that my arguments are wrong because I am a registry CEO is as much subjective (and stupid sorry) as don't want to look at the data at scale when your are a domain buyer.

Difference is when someone just sold a 7 digits domain, you should a minimum hear from him (whatever he is a registry CEO or not).

Then of course, you can always argue if you have strong arguments to proof that your business strategy is better if you have ones. But claiming that Domaining is an Art is not an argument. It's a subjective point of view. No more.

Plus, I am not preaching here for my Best TLD - I am here speaking for all type of Domain Buying decision.

Just want to help - no more.

PS : Sorry - but I am not very honest - i want more : I want to understand why this industry is collapsing :

- Jan 2017, there was 27M ngltds domains live
- Jan 2019, there was 26M ngtlds domains live

This is data at scale : -1M in 2 years ! And, I started to understand why.

Cyril.Best said:

You confirmed by your words exactly what we all mean there : Art is all about emotions and it's all subjective.

Difference my friend : Domaining is not an art - It's a Business !

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You know, art is business too.
Evetually you can make more money with art than with domaining.
That's why I combine bothhh

And yes, art is subjective, of course.
But not the meaning(s) / definition(s) of (a) word(s).

So if I create art out from (a) word(s) that naturally has (have a) specific meaning(s) / definition(s) and turn this (or these) word(s) it into a domain name, then it is art that has meaning hahaahaaa
At one side it has the original meaning(s) / definition(s) of the chosen word(s) and at the other side it has and / or gives room for the subjective meaning yeahhh

Cyril.Best said:

@Fancy.domains said it also : To become a successful domainer, you’ll better spend a decent percentage of your time searching existing data and statistics.

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The fact, that @Fancy.domains "said it also", does not affect my domaining strategyyy
But of course I use data & stats ... I explained already which one and howww
That's why I am a successfull domainerrr

Cyril.Best said:

And you will fail if you treat your business as an art !

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My .best friend,

as I indicated above,
the point is,
that my business is art hahaahaaa

Let's hope you won't fail with .best

Cyril.Best said:

Plus, look at your explanations : "What I do, is that I combine these facts (the defined meaning(s) of words) with every experience =information = data that I got in my life und then I create a domain name out of it. In other words, I observe the world I live in and create domain names I am convinced that will be demanded."

You and only you !

Like I said earlier, you base your business strategy on a focus group of 1 : You !

This is the craziest business strategy i heard but it's up to you buddy : It's not my money !

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Yeah that's simply because I am I you knowww

True, it's my business / strategyyy
I know how to create art and whoever wants, can try to buy ittt

Cyril.Best said:

Trust me, I put 3 successfull companies in the stock exchange and when it's about how to conduct a successfull business, I know when someone is going in the wrong direction.

But it's never too late to shift your mindset. I know it's hard coz you have to go against all that you are probably but that's the beauty of entrepreneur life : it is still possible for everybody to change for the Best

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Trust me, I put a domain name into the world wide web that is going in only one direction - up, to the top - so when it's about how to conduct a successfull domain name, I know the direction.

It's never too early to HODL your mindset.
I know it's easy because you don't have to go against all that you are surely - but that's the beauty of a humans life - it is always possible for everybody to reach the top

For those who are in long arguments about best top com is....

And for those who are posting comments completely irrelevant to the thread topic...

And for those who are not into this business but still came to start some argument when it is none of their business...


All have a..

Chilled.Beer

Sorry I don't drink
You guys enjoy....

Did this thread start with the question which domains look better using a new gTLD instead of with a .com at the end? Really?!

We should have a game where you get to look only at some of the responses in a thread on NPs and guess what the title of the thread is!

Thanks for the interesting discussion everyone!

Bob

ecash.business

HotKey said:

BTW, depending on your style and MO, domaining is an art!

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I agree. I think domaining is both a science and an art.

I 100% agree with @Fancy.domains re the following:

Fancy.domains said:

To become a successful domainer, you’ll better spend a decent percentage of your time searching existing data and statistics. This will teach you a lot about current trends and which domains that are more likely to sell than others.

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While some with a lot of successful experience can often instinctively make the right decisions without data, for the vast majority I think taking an objective look at data is near essential.

But having said that, I don't think domaining is totally science. Much of it (not all) depends on creativity and a deep sense of aesthetics, in many ways similar to art or music I would say. I think the art vs science balance is different in different types of domains, both are there most of the time.

Bob

Lux.pet
Luxury.pet
Express.bet
Line.bet
Vrar.co
Vrar.it
Vrar.es
Vrar.fr
Vrar.eu

Bob Hawkes said:

But having said that, I don't think domaining is totally science. Much of it (not all) depends on creativity and a deep sense of aesthetics, in many ways similar to art or music I would say. I think the art vs science balance is different in different types of domains, both are there most of the time.

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Yes, but it is easy to go down the path of being too cute and creative.

You need domains that someone is willing to pay a premium for.
It is far easier to find those with analytics, especially for people who don't have many years of experience in the field.

Brad

etrade.oline (because e-trade should be trading online)
sun.xyz (because xyz can means 3D and little universe)

I acquired a domain a week or so ago that I like a lot and I think it looks really good as a gtld...

MMA.world

Drive.pro
Ride.pro

it.works would be nice )

Recons.Com said:

it.works would be nice )

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or it.sucks