discuss How to register new gTLD names in 2019 (and actually sell them).

Brands.International · Feb 18, 2019

How to register new gTLD names in 2019
(and actually sell them).

This is written particularly for new domain investors - I hope it will save you some money

It is only my personal opinion, and I might be wrong (of course). So here we go:

1. Register 1 word domain name, in most cases try to avoid 2 word domain names

Example of 1 word domain name: holy.life. Example of 2 word domain name: myholy.life or ourholy.life.
Why? Because chances of selling 2 word domain name in new gTLD space is very small (consult namebio.com). Do not think you can outsmart someone with your word1word2.gTLD combo...in most cases you will not outsmart anyone, and usually you will be dropping such names after 1 year. There are exceptions from this rule of course, but safest bet is to simply avoid it, particularly when you just start with domain investing.

2. Register names with not many alternatives in new gTLD space

This simply means, that end users can not find alternatives for your name in other new gTLD extension, for reg fee.(use uniregistry.com to check that). Particularly when you ignore point no.1 and register 2 word domain name, you will usually find that your string exists in dozens of other new gTLD extensions...and is available to be registered by anyone for reg fee. This subsequently means you will have no leverage when it comes to negotiations with end users.To learn exactly what "alternatives in new gTLD space" means, read this new gTLD appraisal thread here.

3. Register names with large pools of potential end users.

You can have perfect new gTLD name, but if there are only few suitable end users who can use your name, it will usually take long time to sell it. If you register name where millions of potential end users exist (so something pretty broad and generic), you will be getting much more offers, and you will be able to close much more sales.

4. To be first is not always better...sometimes it is better to be second.

When registering new gTLD names, consider this: when extension is brand new, there is almost zero awareness about it among end users (unless there is a huge marketing campaign for it you know about).
It can take years for awareness to be created. This also means that for many extensions there is almost 0 aftermarket in early times. Usually only fellow domain investors. This is natural - if something is very new, almost no one knows about it. So if you want to be first to get best names, fine, but budget for your investments accordingly - it is not wise to expect that you will buy something totally new for USD 10, and you will be able to flip it to end user for USD 10k. It happens, but rarely. There are many experienced new gTLD domain investors, who simply wait for drops after 1st year and pick up some very nice names. But this wisdom comes with years of investing experience and is not something what can be intuitively understood, at least from what I see.

5. Make sure renewals of your domain names are sustainable.

Second most important thing in new gTLD domain investment (after quality of the name) - make sure you understand renewal fees for your domain names. In order for you to be in a long term game, renewal fees of your domain names must be sustainable (aka low). Otherwise you will be dropping almost all of your names after 1 year, and all your effort will be wasted.

6. Make proper landers for your names

Do not just let your domain names without proper landing pages. Do not be lazy and immediately prepare landers for them. Imo best option is undeveloped.com atm, but many good alternatives are available as well.
Some old school domainers are used to the fact that they were contacted by people who found their contact details in WHOIS database - this is not possible anymore, as due to GDPR legislation most records from WHOIS database are now masked. This also means that when you have new gTLD domain name, your details will be masked in most cases (again, there are few exceptions from this rule, but do not rely on them),. Buyers thus have no way how to contact you. Clear landing pages are a must in 2019.

7. Do not follow the herd.

Just because all people at Namepros are registering .panda (just an example), it does not mean you also need to register .panda...Most people are not profitable and are actually loosing lot of money - so if you will do the same thing as most people, you will have the same results as most people....

When you follow the herd, it is not only that competition is huge, but you will end up registering nonsense word1 word2 names, in times where there is no aftermarket created yet, when you do not know if there are some renewal promotions in future, when major domain selling sites not yet support that extension, and when there is no awareness yet among end users. Likely result of your action: you will drop your names prior first renewal round. This is happening since 2014 in many forms and shapes, still it seems like most people like to repeat those mistakes happily again and again.

You need to find your niche/extensions/areas of expertise and go from there. The most lucrative way is still to buy new gTLD names from fellow domain investors, but almost no one is doing it, except few people. Typical newbie new gTLD domain "investor" will rather spend USD 10 on 200 bad names and will not sell even 1 of them, prior dropping them all, then to pay USD 2000 for 1 great name which can sell for great profit. Which leads to:

8. Get 2-3 good names instead of 200-300 bad names (which you will drop anyway).

Buy only quality new gTLD names, as only highest quality sells in 2019. And you know that you have great new gTLD domain name, if you have a good feeling renewing it 9 years in advance.This should be always your test: am I confident enought for this name, so I have no problem to pay years in advance for it's renewal fees? Now to critics which would tell you that you are blocking unnecessarily your capital by paying renewals in advance, I would like to remind:
a) renew your name years in advance if there is a great renewal promotion (you can save sometimes 90% of total cost, as some renewal promotions for new gTLDs are simply amazing)
b) when you renew your new gTLD name 9 years in advance, it tells your potential buyers something about your commitment....in my experience, it is much easier to negotiate if your name is renewed like that.

Buyers are not stupid: they will check everything possible about you and your names, and in most cases they are simply waiting if the name does not expire/if you do not drop it . But when we are in 2019 and your name is renewed until 2027, this waiting game is simply over for them, and they need to approach you if they want the name. But to play this game, you really need to have good new gTLD names.

9. Get to social media and make lot of connections.

Do not be a secret seller. Have your portfolio clearly visible to anyone, and go to Twitter, Linkedin, Instagram, Youtube and Facebook at least. People with most success have great online presence, and professionally looking marketplaces.

10. Price your domain names as a pro, do not be a chicken

Look, if you price your domains with $120 price tag (for example), this will result in following: you will sell your best domains quickly for low price (and when you report it, fellow domain investors will say Congrats congrats, congrats, and you will feel great as super-seller), but at the same time you will be left with portfolio of bad domain names, which no one wants even for this low price tag. This is sure way to poor financial status and poverty. You do not want that. New gTLD names are very unique, as they are are pure phrases without any suffix, and are therefore also geo neutral. They have great value, and this value grows in time.
If you have great new gTLD name, renew it for years in advance, and do not let it go for cheap - as one day you might retire on it...

11. Bonus point - do not listen to "voices of past" with "only .com is an good investment" mantra

This is already past us and so not 2019 - luckily we see this nonsense less and less ...

What is your opinion when it comes to new gTLDs registrations ?

ThatNameGuy · Mar 1, 2019

This whole discussion just proves to me how screwed up this industry really is. Verisign was right when they said, domain investors and even the registries/registrars are all "hoarders" and "scalpers" costing businesses and consumers billions of dollars.

For the record, I've met and know personally Blake J. of home.loans (paid 500K) and Mike K. of Vacation.Rentals(paid 500K), and neither of these gentlemen are hoarders or scalpers, but "end users" just trying to make a living. Not only do I know Blake and Mike, I've also gotten to know some of the folks at Donuts who sold them their domains. Ironically, I've gotten to know some of the folks at Dominion Enterprises and Dominion Domains who own one of the most successful sites on the internet Homes(.)com, and they also own the ngTLD, .homes. Also for the record, I happen to own about 100 .homes domains of which Distinction.homes is my reg of the day

Might Distinction.homes be worth 500K to someone? Maybe? If you go to DistinctionHR(.)com you'll see what I mean.

My point here is, I couldn't in good conscience sell Distinction.homes for 500K, but I could partner with the buyer in some capacity in order to justify the sale. What do I mean by this? My answer...it depends on the deal.

Thanks Marek for starting this thread, and while it's OK for the ngTLD critics to give their opinion, at the end of the day that's all they have......an opinion with an AGENDA

Brands.International · Mar 1, 2019

Lol, someone just asked me if I have another account named @johnnie018 and if I am BUMPING this thread with my "fake new gTLD agenda" !!!

Well, this can not get any better

But unfortunately, I can assure everone that I am not @johnnie018 ... he/she is another person, and all their (inaccurate) posts here are posted by their own will I assume...all I know about OP is from what I read on Namepros here (they should be, or have been, invested in .biz and .info, if I remember correctly...I am too lazy to check it out again. I honestly doubt that they have even 1 new gTLD domain name registered). The account is 100% anonymous and in status "restricted", so just pointing this out for new domain investors who are evaluating all information they read here. I simply have no time to react to each false 2 liner this account writes here. The thread is supposed to be about how to best register new gTLD names in 2019, not to go in circles about "fake new gTLD sales".

Anyway, Johnnie at least thanks for bumping the thread! But your information is grossly inaccurate. Particularly about "fake" new gTLD sales ... already few people told you here in detail about those sales, and you are still just repeating yourself, no matter what the facts are.

Bob Hawkes · Mar 1, 2019

One mistake I made in my early days of new gTLD domain investing (or investing in general cause I was also regging some .co, .com, .net and .ca) was I got domains with too narrow a focus. That is the domain might be good but really only to a tiny number of realistically possible end users, and odds were none of them would be open to a new domain even if I could get them to notice it.

I still do that sometimes, but I think over the last year I have done a better job investing in domain names that have a larger number of potential buyers. I was reminded of that in reading this morning's NameBio list that included the sale of independent(.)group for $1310 on Sedo. The name could apply to lots of potential organizations in many fields. I don't know who the buyer or the seller was (it has been around for over 3 years on several different DNS settings) but it is the kind of name that I see virtue investing in, if you are considering new gTLDs - only you can decide if they should be part of your portfolio. It appears the renewals were only about $15.

Bob

oldtimer · Mar 1, 2019

Getting back to the subject of this thread I believe that the best way to register New gTLDs is to take advantage of all the sales that are going on at different registrars. If you get the domains that you actually like at very low prices that will give you one year to decide what to do with them. IMO

Here is what I got today that were on sale at Godaddy for 99 cents:

SaveEarth.club

Moonbase.club

Earthship.club
(google Earthship to see what it is)

DiscountCoupon.xyz
(this might be my first .xyz)

ThatNameGuy · Mar 1, 2019

Bob Hawkes said:
One mistake I made in my early days of new gTLD domain investing (or investing in general cause I was also regging some .co, .com, .net and .ca) was I got domains with too narrow a focus. That is the domain might be good but really only to a tiny number of realistically possible end users, and odds were none of them would be open to a new domain even if I could get them to notice it.

I still do that sometimes, but I think over the last year I have done a better job investing in domain names that have a larger number of potential buyers. I was reminded of that in reading this morning's NameBio list that included the sale of independent(.)group for $1310 on Sedo. The name could apply to lots of potential organizations in many fields. I don't know who the buyer or the seller was (it has been around for over 3 years on several different DNS settings) but it is the kind of name that I see virtue investing in, if you are considering new gTLDs - only you can decide if they should be part of your portfolio. It appears the renewals were only about $15.

Bob

Bob...i hear what you're saying, but I really don't see independent(.)group appealing to a lot of potential buyers? The word "independent" isn't specific enough in my opinion. In one way it's very generic. Now if it were to say independentauto(.)group it might catch my attention, or like with .homes, there are literally millions of realtors and billions of homes in the world. Now that's what I call domain target rich environment.
What am I missing?

johnnie018 · Mar 1, 2019

Just to be clear, whilst I count Marek as a friend he has not directed me to post at all and there is no “agenda” about this thread.

Brands.International · Mar 1, 2019

Bob Hawkes said:
One mistake I made in my early days of new gTLD domain investing (or investing in general cause I was also regging some .co, .com, .net and .ca) was I got domains with too narrow a focus. That is the domain might be good but really only to a tiny number of realistically possible end users, and odds were none of them would be open to a new domain even if I could get them to notice it.

I still do that sometimes, but I think over the last year I have done a better job investing in domain names that have a larger number of potential buyers. I was reminded of that in reading this morning's NameBio list that included the sale of independent(.)group for $1310 on Sedo. The name could apply to lots of potential organizations in many fields. I don't know who the buyer or the seller was (it has been around for over 3 years on several different DNS settings) but it is the kind of name that I see virtue investing in, if you are considering new gTLDs - only you can decide if they should be part of your portfolio. It appears the renewals were only about $15.

Bob

I totally agree with you Bob. Large pool of end users is a must and great advantage for domain investors.

The bigger the pool, the larger amount of offers we get

Brands.International · Mar 1, 2019

oldtimer said:
Getting back to the subject of this thread I believe that the best way to register New gTLDs is to take advantage of all the sales that are going on at different registrars. If you get the domains that you actually like at very low prices that will give you one year to decide what to do with them. IMO

Here is what I got today that were on sale at Godaddy for 99 cents:

SaveEarth.club

Moonbase.club

Earthship.club
(google Earthship to see what it is)

DiscountCoupon.xyz
(this might be my first .xyz)

@oldtimer those are nice names, but number of available alternatives in new gTLD space for each of your word1word2 strings is enormous....visit for example uniregistry.com and look what are the alternatives for ,let's say, string "moonbase" in other extensions then .club - literally hundreds of them, with very similar value, which end users can get for USD 1,99 in discounted first year....

....and because that is possible, there is almost no chance imo that someone will want moonbase / club that much that they will pay you a price which would bring you some significant profit (also check first 2 rules in this thread's initial post, rule no.1 and rule no.2)

Bob Hawkes · Mar 2, 2019

ThatNameGuy said:
Bob...i hear what you're saying, but I really don't see independent(.)group appealing to a lot of potential buyers? The word "independent" isn't specific enough in my opinion. In one way it's very generic. Now if it were to say independentauto(.)group it might catch my attention, or like with .homes, there are literally millions of realtors and billions of homes in the world. Now that's what I call domain target rich environment.
What am I missing?

Perhaps you are right that it is too general. In my mind it works well with venture capital type outfit although might also work for independent network of investment advisors, property management, etc. Will be interesting to see the end user. I do wonder if I have let the pendulum swing too far in the general direction.

Bob

johnnie018 · Mar 2, 2019

oldtimer said:
Getting back to the subject of this thread I believe that the best way to register New gTLDs is to take advantage of all the sales that are going on at different registrars. If you get the domains that you actually like at very low prices that will give you one year to decide what to do with them. IMO

Here is what I got today that were on sale at Godaddy for 99 cents:

SaveEarth.club

Moonbase.club

Earthship.club
(google Earthship to see what it is)

DiscountCoupon.xyz
(this might be my first .xyz)

It is bad sign when even the new tlds you register are of such poor quality that you need to explain them.

johnnie018 · Mar 2, 2019

ThatNameGuy said:
or like with .homes, there are literally millions of realtors and billions of homes in the world. Now that's what I call domain target rich environment.
What am I missing?

Would a house need a domain name? Would a realtor called themselves "homes"?

ThatNameGuy · Mar 2, 2019

johnnie018 said:
Would a house need a domain name? Would a realtor called themselves "homes"?

You don't have a clue do you Johnnie Boy...first, there are thousand(s) plural* realtors who have "homes" in their names already. Obviously you're not aware that 60, YES 60 of the top 100 builders have "homes" in their names. Now take a wild guess how many of the 1.3M real estate agents have "homes" in their name? You mean to tell me "if" you were a realtor and your real name is "Johnnie" you wanted to be known as Johnnies.homes or if your name was Bill, Bills.Homes ???

Now you have a clue Johnnie Boy

You're welcome

oldtimer · Mar 2, 2019

lolwarrior said:
@oldtimer those are nice names, but number of available alternatives in new gTLD space for each of your word1word2 strings is enormous....visit for example uniregistry.com and look what are the alternatives for ,let's say, string "moonbase" in other extensions then .club - literally hundreds of them, with very similar value, which end users can get for USD 1,99 in discounted first year....

....and because that is possible, there is almost no chance imo that someone will want moonbase / club that much that they will pay you a price which would bring you some significant profit (also check first 2 rules in this thread's initial post, rule no.1 and rule no.2)

@lolwarrior, whenever a group of people have the same interest or believe in the same cause they usually belong to an organization, association, or Club, and as such that limits the domain choices to a very few regardless of how many other extensions might be available since those don't convey the same keyword/extension message.

For example for the keyword “Save Earth” .com is taken, .org is currently for sale at 3k , .green is available to register but has a renewal of $99 dollars, and so I believe that SaveEarth.club at 99 cents and with minimal renewal charges is a pretty good domain that matches this keyword.

I consider myself an environmental enthusiast and find the domain name SaveEarth.club a good choice for the cause of saving earth so perhaps you should add a new rule to the list that says it's a plus if you are passionate about what your domain represents so that way at the very least you can do something with it yourself that makes you happy.

NamesCost · Mar 2, 2019

Color coded too ... sweet!

Brands.International · Mar 2, 2019

oldtimer said:
@lolwarrior, whenever a group of people have the same interest or believe in the same cause they usually belong to an organization, association, or Club, and as such that limits the domain choices to a very few regardless of how many other extensions might be available since those don't convey the same keyword/extension message.

For example for the keyword “Save Earth” .com is taken, .org is currently for sale at 3k , .green is available to register but has a renewal of $99 dollars, and so I believe that SaveEarth.club at 99 cents and with minimal renewal charges is a pretty good domain that matches this keyword.

I consider myself an environmental enthusiast and find the domain name SaveEarth.club a good choice for the cause of saving earth so perhaps you should add a new rule to the list that says it's a plus if you are passionate about what your domain represents so that way at the very least you can do something with it yourself that makes you happy.

@oldtimer I totally agree with you .. it is always great when we own domain names we like, we are passionate about and we might even develop in future by ourselves. I have few such domain names as well, which I personally just love

Now, when it comes to resell value:
I learned to be very strict when it comes to registrations. I have to be. And one thing I learned very soon in the game is this: whenever I am about to register a new domain name, I always ask myself this question:

Is there an easy and cheap way end user can bypass me and my domain name? (Aka : can they register something very similar to my name for cheap price?)

Or this is just another way to ask : "are there plenty of available alternatives in new gTLD space for this string?"

Now I will be harsh, but it is just an discussion and opinion's exchange, so I hope it ok:

For example, your name SaveEarth / Club. Lovely name, very memorable, and makes tons of sense.
Byt imagine I am one of those end users who simply do not want to pay anything more then reg fee for a domain name. Here is what I can do:

1. I can go to uniregistry.com, and put string "SaveEarth" to the search field. In 2 seconds I will learn that I can register following names for following prices (information valid at the moment of writing):

a) SaveEarth.live for $1.88
b) SaveEarth.websie for $0.99
c) SaveEarth.online for $3.88
d) SaveEarth.agency for $4.88
e) SaveEarth.center for $4.88
e) SaveEarth.international for $4.88
e) SaveEarth.fund for $4.88
plus another 295 available new gTLD extensions for this string are available as well.

Now, we can of course start arguing if .club fits better then .fund or .center or .international for this string and possible use of the domain name, but obviously that would be very very very rare situation that someone would want exactly your extension THAT much that they would pass all the alternatives which they could get very cheap.

And this is the reason I wrote rules 1 and 2. Most people who starts with new gTLDs (I was one of them when I started) are not aware how strongly those rules will affect your profitability results (in minus, if you do not follow them).

2. And that is not all: even if above is not enough, when you have string like SaveEarth, you can not only find hundres of available alternatives in new gTLD space (meaning in other new gTLD extensions), but you can find also dozens of close alternatives to that string itself! Consider this:

SaveEarth vs ProtectEarth vs CleanEarth vs.....
and
SaveEarth vs SavePlanet vs SaveGaia vs...
and
SaveEarth vs CleanPlanet vs ProtectGaia vs ...

So ...you can also create variations and permutations in first and second position of the string itself.

I am not going to bore you with exact math, but if you consider that instead SaveEarth / Club you can also easily register something like ProtectPlanet / Center, the number of available alternatives (which are more or less close to your orginal domain name from semantic point of view) goes to hundreds of thousans of names....
.....................
Saying all above, it is worth mentioning imo that we have also .earth extension. Imo most valuable string you can get in new gTLD space in this context is of course save / earth (if you visit the page it is on landers of sedo at the moment of writing with a BIN price which (I find very reasonable), and the name seems to have also very reasonable premium renewal of around $80 / month. Disclaimer - I have no idea who owns it, and I am not connected anyhow to it)

So, conclusion: from resale point of view, I think name like save / earth is simply amazing (rule no.1), while from above reasons of tons of available alternatives I am not really fan of names which are in breach of rules 1 and 2.

As an couter example : I recently purchased from OP here at Namepros name Act.Best, which I absolutely love - and what I love most, is that there are basically no alternatives to it in new gTDL space (or any space we can imagine)

All of above just imo....

Bob Hawkes · Mar 2, 2019

I think the issue of nearly as good new gTLDs is a tough one. If one is clearly better, and the registry don't have it, then most of time that is all you need. If the registry is asking an outrageous price you may be able to sell anyway. But often 2 or more are almost equally good. In that case do you think it makes sense to hold both? If so do you try to sell them as package or separately?

Bob

NYJimbo · Mar 2, 2019

ngTLD sales are typically 1-2% of .com sales.

You guys and gals can have fun with them in your brave new world, but I'm going back ".com land".

Domain_savvy · Mar 2, 2019

Little now i can comprehend that how much criticism and resistance dear '.com,.net' perhaps internet in a whole might have faced in the beginning of dot com era for adoption.I sense similar resistance to nGTLD as well but thats completely natural.
Talking about domaining,its speculative business just like many other businesses around.One should do its due diligence and compare the possibilities and current facts in mind.Proper allocation of investment and management of domain renewals is the key to profits.It dosnt matter where the profits come from , by selling a .com or nGTLD's.

oldtimer · Mar 2, 2019

lolwarrior said:
@oldtimer I totally agree with you .. it is always great when we own domain names we like, we are passionate about and we might even develop in future by ourselves. I have few such domain names as well, which I personally just love

Now, when it comes to resell value:
I learned to be very strict when it comes to registrations. I have to be. And one thing I learned very soon in the game is this: whenever I am about to register a new domain name, I always ask myself this question:

Is there an easy and cheap way end user can bypass me and my domain name? (Aka : can they register something very similar to my name for cheap price?)

Or this is just another way to ask : "are there plenty of available alternatives in new gTLD space for this string?"

Now I will be harsh, but it is just an discussion and opinion's exchange, so I hope it ok:

For example, your name SaveEarth / Club. Lovely name, very memorable, and makes tons of sense.
Byt imagine I am one of those end users who simply do not want to pay anything more then reg fee for a domain name. Here is what I can do:

1. I can go to uniregistry.com, and put string "SaveEarth" to the search field. In 2 seconds I will learn that I can register following names for following prices (information valid at the moment of writing):

a) SaveEarth.live for $1.88
b) SaveEarth.websie for $0.99
c) SaveEarth.online for $3.88
d) SaveEarth.agency for $4.88
e) SaveEarth.center for $4.88
e) SaveEarth.international for $4.88
e) SaveEarth.fund for $4.88
plus another 295 available new gTLD extensions for this string are available as well.

Now, we can of course start arguing if .club fits better then .fund or .center or .international for this string and possible use of the domain name, but obviously that would be very very very rare situation that someone would want exactly your extension THAT much that they would pass all the alternatives which they could get very cheap.

And this is the reason I wrote rules 1 and 2. Most people who starts with new gTLDs (I was one of them when I started) are not aware how strongly those rules will affect your profitability results (in minus, if you do not follow them).

2. And that is not all: even if above is not enough, when you have string like SaveEarth, you can not only find hundres of available alternatives in new gTLD space (meaning in other new gTLD extensions), but you can find also dozens of close alternatives to that string itself! Consider this:

SaveEarth vs ProtectEarth vs CleanEarth vs.....
and
SaveEarth vs SavePlanet vs SaveGaia vs...
and
SaveEarth vs CleanPlanet vs ProtectGaia vs ...

So ...you can also create variations and permutations in first and second position of the string itself.

I am not going to bore you with exact math, but if you consider that instead SaveEarth / Club you can also easily register something like ProtectPlanet / Center, the number of available alternatives (which are more or less close to your orginal domain name from semantic point of view) goes to hundreds of thousans of names....
.....................
Saying all above, it is worth mentioning imo that we have also .earth extension. Imo most valuable string you can get in new gTLD space in this context is of course save / earth (if you visit the page it is on landers of sedo at the moment of writing with a BIN price which (I find very reasonable), and the name seems to have also very reasonable premium renewal of around $80 / month. Disclaimer - I have no idea who owns it, and I am not connected anyhow to it)

So, conclusion: from resale point of view, I think name like save / earth is simply amazing (rule no.1), while from above reasons of tons of available alternatives I am not really fan of names which are in breach of rules 1 and 2.

As an couter example : I recently purchased from OP here at Namepros name Act.Best, which I absolutely love - and what I love most, is that there are basically no alternatives to it in new gTDL space (or any space we can imagine)

All of above just imo....

I didn't claim that SaveEarth.club was the absolute best choice, as you mentioned “Save dot Earth” is obviously the root domain for this subject, all I said was that between all the other hundreds of choices that you had mentioned like “Save Planet dot Center” my domain is much stronger choice for a group of likeminded people who care about saving earth, and if such a group ever is interested in SaveEarth.club I might even consider donating it to their cause since as I have already mentioned I am an environmental enthusiast myself.

Bob Hawkes · Mar 2, 2019

NYJimbo said:
ngTLD sales are typically 1-2% of .com sales.

You guys and gals can have fun with them in your brave new world, but I'm going back ".com land".

Depending on the question (is it numbers or dollar volume?) and if you take the top of your range that is correct. If we look at the last full year NameBio stats have ngTLDs at 2.1% of .com sales by number, and 6.7% of .com sales by dollar volume.

I might add that some use smaller numbers based on Afternic numbers reported in the NamesCon presentation. I think there is little doubt (and actually this was mentioned in the presentation) that there are strong regional differences, and ngTLDs almost certainly sell most weakly in the US and most strongly in Asia. It is also significant that Afternic do no handle on their network 3 of the top 15 most registered ngTLD extensions, including the first place one accounting for the largest number of sales and largest dollar volume in the NameBio data. This seriously biases Afternic data as a representation of the global ngTLD sales picture.

Anyway, I think your choice to leave the thread is wise. By no means do most or even many domain investors need to invest in ngTLDs. I 100% respect the rights of domainers to ignore them.. I have never understood why a small number of domain investors who by their own words don't (or not currently) invest in ngTLDs seem so intent on posting repeatedly on ngTLD threads. I know you post all around NPs @NYJimbo and I like reading your short contributions in many threads, but another NPs member who has frequently posts negative "contributions" here has about 3/4 of all his(?) posts in ngTLD threads. How is it sensible to even waste the time here if his domain focus is elsewhere and he is absolutely sure that he is right? What is the purpose?

Bob

ThatNameGuy · Mar 2, 2019

Bob Hawkes said;
I think the issue of nearly as good new gTLDs is a tough one. If one is clearly better, and the registry don't have it, then most of time that is all you need. If the registry is asking an outrageous price you may be able to sell anyway. But often 2 or more are almost equally good. In that case do you think it makes sense to hold both? If so do you try to sell them as package or separately?

Bob...you make some excellent points, but unless you have a way to get any of these names in front of an "end user" it's moot. Lets say for example I'm trying to sell a domain to a builder or a realtor with the first name Bill. To the extent he wanted a better, maybe shorter, or a new name to replace BillHawkesHomes(.)com, I might offer to sell him BillsHomes.com/HawkesHomes.com if that were available, or maybe Bills.homes/Hawkes.homes if that were available. This happens to be the status of each of these domains according to GoDaddy that I would be more than happy to show Bill;

1. BillHawkesHomes(.)com - according to GD it's available and valued at $226 (however keep in mind for this exercise Bill actually owns the domain, but may be looking to change.
2. BillsHomes(.)com - according to GD it's valued at $2,033 and someone has if for sale for $3,095
3. HawkesHomes(.)com - according to GD it's valued at $1,072, someone owns it and it's not for sale.
4. Hawkes.homes - GD values it at $161 and it is for sale
5. Bills.homes - GD values it at $2,313 and someone owns it

There are so many ways this can play out Bob, but unless he really has to have BillsHomes/com for $3,095 he has options that are "almost" as good imho. According to my model/plan he could buy my "premium" name for $1,200 over time or he could by Hawkes(.)homes for $30 if her learns about it, or I share my info with him. It's hard to say exactly how this might play out, but maybe it helps us understand better why the .com miscreants keep hanging around this thread....they can't stand the potential competition and how it waters down the worth of their portfolios.

Bob, this is just one scenario but there are hundreds more to explore if only we had the time. Thanks for being here my friend

BrandEntrance.com · Mar 2, 2019

I bought a .live domain yesterday and then whois registry reserved the .com version almost straight away.

NamesCost · Mar 2, 2019

jamesall said:
I bought a .live domain yesterday and then whois registry reserved the .com version almost straight away.

I got an offer on a ngtld and bought the .com right away

NamesCost · Mar 2, 2019

Too bad I didn't close it..... yet.

namemarket · Mar 2, 2019

johnnie018 said:
...What ye mean by Giant.com, you think 900k is low or high? Where was this sale announced?

IMO, paying 900k for Giant.com is high.

Andrew at Domain Name Wire interviewed the buyer in a very interesting podcast but not able to find podcast number. DNW's search doesn't appear to cover podcasts for some odd reason so cannot locate or post link.

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