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Many domaining newbies seems to believe that domaining is, more or less, only about luck. If they don’t sell a single name in a year, they’ll think it’s simply because of bad luck.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Being a domainer is similar to being an art dealer. This is why:

- The most successful art dealers are selling oil paintings by Picasso, Rembrandt and van Gogh, as they have invested in at premium art auctions. They don’t care much about their aunt’s watercolor paintings.

- The most successful domainers are selling great one-word and short numeric .com names that they have invested in at premium domain auctions. They don’t care much about hand registered random names.

- A good art dealer, who can not afford a Picasso, will sit tirelessly and search the world for good or even great art, which might result in a decent or good profit.

- A good domainer, who can not afford great one-word .com names, will sit tirelessly and search the world for good or even great domains, which might result in a decent or good profit.

Domaining is an art. Don’t be a lazy or bad artist.
 
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It’s actually sold names, but a few crappy sold names shows nothing. I’ve sold bad names myself. But many many many more decent or good names.
Totally agree with you!

Don't like the names......Great that they sold, but I personally would not buy them.
 
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I like the analogy that @Fancy.domains has developed here. I also appreciate his precise wording... note that he said "The most successful..." not all, and also says "A good domainer, who can not afford great one-word .com names, will sit tirelessly and search the world for good or even great domains, which might result in a decent or good profit.".

I think the art dealer analogy can be extended. It is good, in my opinion, that we have a full range of art dealers. Yes, some handle the big name classics, and make huge profit from each sale But there is also a place for those art dealers who handle artists with mainly (currently) a regional presence, just like those who handle geo names have a place in our community. Some art dealers either specialize in, or diversify to hold some, in emerging art that might, or might not, become the next big thing. There is a place in the domain community for those who do something similar. I would argue there is also a place for value domains, just like those who are able to offer art within the price range of those with modest means.

I would argue that the right thing for art dealers and domainers is to know who you are (your personal brand), who your potential customers are, be informed and hard working, and be passionate about what you choose to do.

Have a nice day everyone!

Bob
 
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I say that domaining is like fishing,

Some catch a few small fish, while those who are more experienced use better fishing poles and bait to catch better fish, and then there are the pros who use large nets, and ultimately there are the real experts who go out to the sea, at each level there are some who go after quantity by catching as many fish as they can and there are those who go after quality and want only the best or the biggest fish. There are also those who haven’t caught anything big yet, but are just happy with killing some time and having a conversation with their buddies about fishing. They all like to show off their biggest catch and tell tails of their journeys and brag about their skills or good luck and whether they hold the record for catching the biggest fish or even if they haven’t caught anything big yet they all feel somehow connected to fishing. Those who are making their living off of fishing and those who do it just as a sport or hobby all have something in common to talk about and that's where and how to find the best fish.

Like fishermen, domainers operate at different levels and for different reasons, those who put others down or make fun of their catch are not keeping with the true spirit of being fishermen (I mean being domainers).

IMO
 
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This thread is either the result of
.com brainwash or the attempt of .com brainwash.

It's simply just another .com promo, only .com domainers will fall for it.
Maybe even orchestrated by Verisign
(ok, that was a joke - but at the end, indirectly, through their advertising... ...they are not innocent).

I only agree in the point that being a domainer is (under certain circumstances) like being an art dealer but this has nothing to do with .com because dealing with paintings from Picasso, Rembrandt, Van Gogh or other top painting artists is not like dealing with
.com domains as .com is standard and therefore nothing special.

I don't need a single .com for being an art dealer (domainer) as I found a more appropriate TLD for that hahaahaaa
 
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ok.. tell me what do you think about these domain names
hit-n-run.com
laohe5.com
movie8k.me
certified-toolbar.com
Those domains were bought because of their traffic/links. That's another game.
 
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Being a domainer can definitely be like being an art dealer but mostly a dealer of contemporary art. It's mostly about being able to spot trends and knowing how to find the end-user.

And many times, being a domain deal can also be a lot like being a use car dealer. lol Domaining is not always an artful endeavor, but it can be.
 
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This thread is either the result of
.com brainwash or the attempt of .com brainwash.

It's simply just another .com promo, only .com domainers will fall for it.
Maybe even orchestrated by Verisign
(ok, that was a joke - but at the end, indirectly, through their advertising... ...they are not innocent).

I only agree in the point that being a domainer is (under certain circumstances) like being an art dealer but this has nothing to do with .com because dealing with paintings from Picasso, Rembrandt, Van Gogh or other top painting artists is not like dealing with
.com domains as .com is standard and therefore nothing special.

I don't need a single .com for being an art dealer (domainer) as I found a more appropriate TLD for that hahaahaaa

You obviously did not understand my point. As you probably know, I have invested in, and sold mostly new gTLDs the last few years.

However, it is A FACT that short and liquid .com names are generally selling for much much more, than other domains. Not an opinion, but A FACT. That’s why I did choose this examples. Anyone who are not knowing this, probably knows very little about domaining.
 
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in domaining nowadays

the registrars and dropcatchers are the art dealers
selling new gtlds at inflated registration prices and renewals

while dropcatchers get to auction the latest expired and deleted names to the anxious followers.

domainers are just trying to resell what they've bought, hoping it will appeal to a buyer

imo..
 
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You obviously did not understand my point. As you probably know, I have invested in, and sold mostly new gTLDs the last few years.

However, it is A FACT that short and liquid .com names are generally selling for much much more, than other domains. Not an opinion, but A FACT. That’s why I did choose this examples. Anyone who are not knowing this, probably knows very little about domaining.
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I understood your point very well, that's why I wrote what I wrote.
So its obviously you who did not understood my point.

I further know, that your domaining - focus does absolutely not lay on .com alone and that you have many new TLD - domain names in offer but it's not about you.

My point is (still) simply that it is not valid if one makes an allegory between the highest .com - sales and the highest art - sales because .com isn't the top - TLD although it currently has the highest registration numbers and highest sales recorded (doesn't help).

Anyone who does not not know what is the top - TLD, surely knows nothing about domaining.
 
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Luck can help.. nothing wrong with that. Depends what kind of investor you are. So many facets, it's really about which we relate to best. We can refer to those whom work the drops, expired auctions etc (tirelessly many cases) as 'art dealers' whereas those working with a blank canvas (hand-reg's) as the artists. Each have an eye and mind for what they want.

But this "artistic view" can cover both, and I agree, it is an art. Selling your art is a whole other side to the brush. Another fine member here calls it 'domain art', so there is definitely a common mindset towards this.

https://www.namepros.com/blog/the-7-attributes-of-a-domain-artist.856177/#post-4845895
 
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I prefer being a domainer to being an artist. My drawing skills sucks badly
 
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I understood your point very well, that's why I wrote what I wrote.
So its obviously you who did not understood my point.

I further know, that your domaining - focus does absolutely not lay on .com alone and that you have many new TLD - domain names in offer but it's not about you.

My point is (still) simply that it is not valid if one makes an allegory between the highest .com - sales and the highest art - sales because .com isn't the top - TLD although it currently has the highest registration numbers and highest sales recorded (doesn't help).

Anyone who does not not know what is the top - TLD, surely knows nothing about domaining.

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One point of art is, that art is controversial in some way (if not, then it probably failed as art) - especially art that is the most expensiveee

But I see no art in normal, simple, one word .com (or other TLDs) domain names - they are not art and therefore the dealing with them can not be compared with art dealing, it's more comparable with real estate - dealing. as such domain names are just the homes = web addresses of their residents = website content.

You are only an art dealer as domainer if you own / deal domain names that are art in itself - means domain names, that are not primarily made to display content.
Like paintings in example, they are not made to paint on them, they are just made to display them and to buy / own / sell them.
 
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70 % Luck
30% Research , analysis , etc..
out of 100
hard work is the greatest effort you can put in to the biz and luck comes last when you have good domains
 
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This thread is either the result of
.com brainwash or the attempt of .com brainwash.

It's simply just another .com promo, only .com domainers will fall for it.
Maybe even orchestrated by Verisign
(ok, that was a joke - but at the end, indirectly, through their advertising... ...they are not innocent).

I only agree in the point that being a domainer is (under certain circumstances) like being an art dealer but this has nothing to do with .com because dealing with paintings from Picasso, Rembrandt, Van Gogh or other top painting artists is not like dealing with
.com domains as .com is standard and therefore nothing special.

I don't need a single .com for being an art dealer (domainer) as I found a more appropriate TLD for that hahaahaaa
You are looking at it from entirely different perspective.
Domaining; I think it is more of art. You need high level of foresight, hardwork and knowledge to identify a good domain name.
 
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You need high level of foresight, hardwork and knowledge to identify a good domain name.
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Absolutelyyy
That's exactly why I own / offer the domain names that I own / offerrr
 
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You are looking at it from entirely different perspective.
Domaining; I think it is more of art. You need high level of foresight, hardwork and knowledge to identify a good domain name.

You need the same skills to catch the bus every morning :)
 
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You need the same skills to catch the bus every morning :)

So all domainers who are not making a profit will never catch the bus?! :xf.cool: O_o
 
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Anyone watched velvet buzzsaw on Netflix?
 
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I love making analogies in general so thanks for a good topic.

If you look at any list of top art dealers and dig into their stories you will see most started small, some even selling door to door, others building up capital from another job/interest/venue. Another thing that most have in common is that while they do deal artwork from world known artists they do also work on promoting (and discovering and building up) new artists. In fact the more successful they are the more they do that. Now I am not familiar with the topic enough to know whether they make a profit on the new artists, I would guess that is more of a risk you can take as an investor (on your wallet and your reputation) when you are established enough to afford it. And I assume it is done more for the common good, so art can continue and progress and develop etc. rather than for personal benefit. So in that respect if you draw a parallel with domaining that would be the established players in the industry toying around with new gTLDs (and I am talking domainers, not registars cose those are a different story) and as with the case with art dealers - sure some are in it just for profit, others for the love of the game.

As with any profession you do have skill and experience playing a big role in success, so though I think « good » and « bad » is oversimplifying things, you do get better with experience in both cases and your personal qualities do matter. Then you have style, who specialises in what as you can’t be the best in everything (or at let’s say you are much less likely to succeed for sure if you try to cover everything). So I do think having a focus is important.

And of course - selling. Art dealers, domain sellers, it’s all about selling. Where art dealers are beating domain sellers if you ask me. The amount of information that is pumped up by that industry targeting just about anyone - the art market from bottom to top is filled with so much information, you can start from 0 and be an expert in just about anything in a day if you want - it is all there, accessible, in any language, any format, about any style and *all for the end user*. If I have $50 or $500 or $500k to spend on a painting I can go online and find a brilliantly presented option for each, telling me what I get, making it feel special plus I can read tons about why is it a good idea to buy it. Doesn’t matter if it’s a sketch of my dog I order on Etsy or some artwork for $20k on Saatchi art - it looks and feels good, professional, for a cause, whatever their approach is for the particular case but there is always an approach, target audience, thoughts put into who is this for, how to impress them, how to reach them and make them feel good about buying this. Remember when Banksy was selling his work for $60 on the street? What’s the difference between that and when it sells in a gallery? Dealers. Presentation. Story. And they know where to sell too, art sales are booming in Venezuela and the country is in crisis. Why? Because when you’re rich in a destabilised country art is better than a bank.

Is that the case with domains? No. By far. Domainers are very supportive of each other and the community is very alive and that’s great. But there is so little done and said and written that is directed at the end buyer I find it crazy. Even here, on namePros, there are gazillion discussions about landing pages or pricing or anything and the general attitude is « just sit and wait » or « I can’t believe I received such a laughable low offer on my super domain » or « they don’t care, they don’t understand » etc etc, like I’ve been in marketing and sales for some time and I know clients can be a pain in any industry but I have never seen such a huge gap between sellers and end buyers. End buyers are not crazy or stupid or anything, they just need to know what they are paying for. And when you start from very low (why does a domain matter at all? What on earth is a TLD?) it is very hard to get to even a 3 digit number let alone some 5-6 numbers as a price. And that, I dare saying, is a collective fault. If everyone trying to sell art had to explain to every person they try to sell to why is art important, why do classic paintings cost (and should cost) millions, why even a little hand drawn picture can (and should) cost $$$ their job would be much harder too. But they don’t. The worst you would get is people saying « well I don’t understand why this is called art at all but then I don’t understand art, I don’t have the cash for it anyway » like people don’t actually doubt the legitimacy of the price, they doubt their own understanding and ability to pay it. Because for years on end the information has been everywhere pointing to why and how art is important and valuable. Domains clearly are not that old so there is a lot of work to do to catch up. But it has to start somewhere. And that somewhere is every domainer, I am repeating myself as I said that already on another thread but here it goes again - nobody cares you want to sell your domains. You (or this industry if you like as a whole) have to make sure the end buyers understand why domains are important, how can they improve their business, why do they cost what they cost. Very few people know the value of a good domain, even less - of a premium domain and even those who do have usually done their homework themselves or/and come from a tech background (which is pretty much the same). So that makes the job of each and every domain seller much harder since they have to start from about 0 knowledge through history of domaining, basic internet and SEO and branding knowledge and and and….and that’s a lot of convincing and explaining.

Sooo to wrap that up, I agree it is like art dealing though domainers are the dealers, not the artists. And domains are the art (which figures too as each has their story and meaning and purpose and is there to communicate something).

…well..that wasn’t supposed to be so long but there, my 2 cents:)
 
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