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I have been hand registering domains for a long time now and over the years I have lost many domains that were available at the time that I was doing my research and shortly afterwards were taken by someone who put their info under whois privacy. This subject has come up before on the forum, but there are those members here that always rush to tell us that we are imagining this and it's just coincidence that someone else must have also thought of the same domain as we have, which in some cases they might be right, but when we are talking about very specific and niche domains that are kind of obscure then it makes one wonder about the coincidence factor. After hearing so many stories on the forum about people losing domains that they have researched for I am beginning to wonder what could be done about this problem. I myself have had domains taken right out of my cart which I was planning to register in the following days. Now I understand that just by checking a domain and or even by putting it in in your cart you are not granted any rights to that domain until you actually register it, but even though you have no legal right to the domains that you have researched for, but shouldn’t the registrars respect the fact that it probably has taken you a lot of time and effort to find a domain that was available and as a long term customer shouldn't they give you ample time before they allow their employees to take advantage of their insider knowledge and take the domains for themselves, some people might want to research domains all through the month and wait till a later date to register them I don't think that it's fair for all their efforts to go to waste. I have heard that some of the registrars (or their employees) sell the list of the valuable domains that have been checked for availability through their home page search box or through the whois inquires.
I hope that the registrars can come up with some kind of a solution for this problem soon but meanwhile if you want to know whether a domain is available or not don't check it at your registrar specially when you are logged in, because if you happen to be good at hand registering new domains there is a good chance that someone is monitoring your searches and will snatch away any good domains that you have thought of although they usually only take one domain at a time as to not raise any suspicions, because if they took all the good domains that you have searched for then they cannot claim that it was a coincidence, they usually take the best domain on your list that you have done research on and wait for the next batch that you are going to do research on later, the better you are at hand registering domain names the more domains they will snatch away from you and over time a pattern will become noticeable that no matter how hard their paid operatives on this forum try to convince you that this is just a coincidence the big picture that will emerge after we hear other people's complains about this problem can no longer be ignored by the registrars. I estimate that over 5 million domains might have been taken this way over the last 10 years from people who have looked up available domain names and wanted to wait until a later date to register them.

If you have had similar experiences with domains that you have researched on please sound off so that it can be shown that this is not an isolated situation.

Keep all comments constructive, professional and on topic. This is an Industry wide problem so don't single out any one registrar, we need the registrars help to come up with a solution for this problem.
 
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I just checked on a domain that showed as not found at the whois sites below:

https://whois.icann.org/en

https://www.internic.net/whois.html

I am not going to say what the domain is but it looks like: H@@@@@@@Y.com

We will see if it is still available in 10 days or if it's going to be taken somehow.
 
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I lost a few to n s and being a noob back in the day.

Make sure to spoof the ip(s) you make the request from or use a large subnet with different ips. I'm sure the bigger registrars would spot a pattern if you don't. It would also help with the rate limit some have in place.

If you decide to go through with it, please keep us updated as it would generate some interesting data.

Yup will do all that.
The hard ones going to be building an above market list of ideas I'm willing to lose for science.
Going to have to generate a list of better then reg fee ideas to slam them with.
I have some ideas, will have to see how much work they are.
 
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This is a wrong belief.

Long answer:

YOUR SEARCHES ARE NOT NEEDED:

You need search volumes of all keywords&phrases to find valuable domains to register. This is not difficult to obtain. Once you have this data you can check availability of these words in a regular and automated basis by a software. What you do manually to hand register valuable domains can be done by a software more effectively and profitably. I believe it's already done. So there is almost no valuable domain available to register. I don't think the reason is too many people are looking to hand register hidden gems. The reason is it's already done in a systematic and automated way which no human can compete with.

2- EMPLOYEES CAN NOT DO IT IN A LARGE SCALE:

- Hand registration needs a large pocket which is beyond a typical person who works for salary or a group of people who work for salary

- Employees are monitored closely in corporate life. They can't do their own personal things in work hours.

- If there is a (hidden) profit in a company, it always go to the company, not to employees.

- Manual hand registration is not profitable in the long term even if you have whois search data. Processing that data manually would be impossible. You would need a software to run in the office, and if you are employee it wouldn't not be allowed. Employee may store such a data to process after office hours but if you have such a software you would use search engine data rather than whois searches which include tons of garbage domain possibility to register.


In fact data is not important. You may obtain moderately searched words list or high cpc words list from somewhere. But like done in drop catching, you need a system to check availability of your list of domains quickly and regularly. So this is not question of data. Nobody would be interested to know what you tried to register manually. You may find a real gem only once in a life with your very very low capabilities compared to an ordinary computer. A computer can work 24/7 in a much faster speed. If you can't hand register dropped domains, you can't hand register any valuble domain, not only dropped domains. You can't beat a computer. Stop dreaming.
 
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I have been hand registering domains for a long time now and over the years I have lost many domains that were available at the time that I was doing my research and shortly afterwards were taken by someone who put their info under whois privacy. This subject has come up before on the forum, but there are those members here that always rush to tell us that we are imagining this and it's just coincidence that someone else must have also thought of the same domain as we have, which in some cases they might be right, but when we are talking about very specific and niche domains that are kind of obscure then it makes one wonder about the coincidence factor. After hearing so many stories on the forum about people losing domains that they have researched for I am beginning to wonder what could be done about this problem. I myself have had domains taken right out of my cart which I was planning to register in the following days. Now I understand that just by checking a domain and or even by putting it in in your cart you are not granted any rights to that domain until you actually register it, but even though you have no legal right to the domains that you have researched for, but shouldn’t the registrars respect the fact that it probably has taken you a lot of time and effort to find a domain that was available and as a long term customer shouldn't they give you ample time before they allow their employees to take advantage of their insider knowledge and take the domains for themselves, some people might want to research domains all through the month and wait till a later date to register them I don't think that it's fair for all their efforts to go to waste. I have heard that some of the registrars (or their employees) sell the list of the valuable domains that have been checked for availability through their home page search box or through the whois inquires.
I hope that the registrars can come up with some kind of a solution for this problem soon but meanwhile if you want to know whether a domain is available or not don't check it at your registrar specially when you are logged in, because if you happen to be good at hand registering new domains there is a good chance that someone is monitoring your searches and will snatch away any good domains that you have thought of although they usually only take one domain at a time as to not raise any suspicions, because if they took all the good domains that you have searched for then they cannot claim that it was a coincidence, they usually take the best domain on your list that you have done research on and wait for the next batch that you are going to do research on later, the better you are at hand registering domain names the more domains they will snatch away from you and over time a pattern will become noticeable that no matter how hard their paid operatives on this forum try to convince you that this is just a coincidence the big picture that will emerge after we hear other people's complains about this problem can no longer be ignored by the registrars. I estimate that over 5 million domains might have been taken this way over the last 10 years from people who have looked up available domain names and wanted to wait until a later date to register them.

If you have had similar experiences with domains that you have researched on please sound off so that it can be shown that this is not an isolated situation.

Keep all comments constructive, professional and on topic. This is an Industry wide problem so don't single out any one registrar, we need the registrars help to come up with a solution for this problem.

You can add this issue to a larger list of issues in this industry. Very little oversight and consistency. Lots of "black boxes" where customers just dont know whats going on.

Anyway, I hope you find this thread useful:
https://www.namepros.com/blog/checking-domain-name-availability-without-using-a-website.862678/
 
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This can be a win-win situation for everyone as long as the Registrars are not in direct competition with their customers, It's okay for Registrars to be in passive competition for names that were not registered by their customers within 60 days of the original domain or whois searches, but to grab a name shortly after it is searched for is aggressive competition by the Registrars which should not be tolerated. IMO
 
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people should list some of their recent registrations that they think are so good that someone would have stolen them
or list some that they think have been stolen
 
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people should list some of their recent registrations that they think are so good that someone would have stolen them
or list some that they think have been stolen

I used to keep records of this many many years ago (2001 thru 2005 or so).
 
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This is what I am demanding to happen:

The Registrars, Registries, ISPs, or any other entity or person who has access to domain search and whois search data ( including patterns of activities) should be required to give 60 days to potential registrants to get the domains that they have researched on and are considering to register before they allow that data to be used or sold for their own or anyone else’s benefit.

Which registrars have you demanded this from? How have they responded? Your dreaming. IMHO. What incentive have they got to disallow anybody else on their registrar to register the domain, when any other registrar can be used to register the domain.

I don't see that by searching for a domain and not registering it, provides you any kind of protection, AT ALL, from the Registrar(s), unless you register the domain.
 
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@oldtimer the registrars are in the business of making money. You don’t dictate to them. They dictate to us. While I agree it’s a slimy tactic nothing was stolen if you didn’t buy it.

GoDaddy etc have no incentive to change anything because most domainers don’t elect not to do business with them ie boycott.

In the grand scheme this is a smaller sin compared to much larger injustices that go down with registrars. Remember when GoDaddy takes names out of accounts?

As of now you are complaining they steal your ideas. What’s so hard about not typing unless you are prepared to buy?
 
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If you're that paranoid, make a list of thousands of stupid crap names, add in the ones you want to check, and then use namebright.com's bulk search.
Who would include domainers' bulk searches of thousands of names when hunting? Things like tigak.com would rise to the top after being searched by multiple domainers using dumb patterns to generate domains.
 
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This can be a win-win situation for everyone as long as the Registrars are not in direct competition with their customers, It's okay for Registrars to be in passive competition for names that were not registered by their customers within 60 days of the original domain or whois searches, but to grab a name shortly after it is searched for is aggressive competition by the Registrars which should not be tolerated. IMO

60 days is not covering aggressive competition. 1 hr is covering aggressive competition. But soon everybody would learn that and wait out the 1 hour :(
 
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Glad to see Epik in this thread. I was going to say I only use Epik.com and Freenom to research domain names. I know people like to protect Godaddy...but they are just not a trustworthy or reputable company. I stopped all searches in Godaddy because I notice domains I typed were being registered.
 
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