Why .CA registry took back my name?

domainnews · Feb 18, 2019

Hi ,guys yestoday i regged Bentley.ca and took back by registry today without any emails when i checked my account

Whats wrong in the world with .CA registry?

beraking my heart

only refund but no any compensations? sucks!

Could i file a law suit against .CA registry?

any good advice will be much appreciat it!

Start · Feb 18, 2019

Well, CIRA support is only available Monday to Friday. I don't know if some other staff are there on weekends, but if you actually need help from CIRA and want to phone or email them, it's only Monday to Friday. Actually, Monday, Feb 18 is also a holiday there.

It could just be automated. What do you mean you have received your reg fees? Do you mean NameSilo gave you a refund before you asked them for a refund?

wwwweb · Feb 18, 2019

VaneZhao said:
that doesnt make sense ,because,if they are not on work ,but how to refund ?i have recived my reg fess and I dont recive emails both from Registar namesilo and .CA registry noticed

People in North America are sleeping right now, you can sleep well knowing nobody is going to take off with your $9.

wwwweb · Feb 18, 2019

Start said:
Well, CIRA support is only available Monday to Friday. I don't know if some other staff are there on weekends, but if you actually need help from CIRA and want to phone or email them, it's only Monday to Friday. Actually, Monday, Feb 18 is also a holiday there.

It could just be automated. What do you mean you have received your reg fees? Do you mean NameSilo gave you a refund before you asked them for a refund?

He paid reg fee for the name, the name is locked in a status where the registry needs paperwork to activate showing he is an actual city registering the name before they activate it. He has no business registering this domain, let alone making such a fuss, this is the most absurd thread I have seen on namepros.

The .ca registry is one of the strictest ones out there, it is meant to protect their national interests. Read their contract online, it explains everything. You agreed to CIRA terms when you registered the name, did you actually read them, or just tick the box???

domainnews · Feb 18, 2019

Start said:
Well, CIRA support is only available Monday to Friday. I don't know if some other staff are there on weekends, but if you actually need help from CIRA and want to phone or email them, it's only Monday to Friday. Actually, Monday, Feb 18 is also a holiday there.

It could just be automated. What do you mean you have received your reg fees? Do you mean NameSilo gave you a refund before you asked them for a refund?

I dont ask for a refund,but they refund me themselives without any email noticed
and i email them today ask why my domain has took back ,then they emailed me quoted belowed:

Hi,

please check your mailboxes as .ca registry may have contacted you multiple times regarding this domain.

We can't activate this domain for you, please contact https://cira.ca/ for help.

Please let us know if there is anything else we can help with!

Thank you for being a customer at NameSilo!

NameSilo Support Team

as a matter a fact ,i didnt recevied any email from .CA registry

domainnews · Feb 18, 2019

wwwweb said:
He paid reg fee for the name, the name is locked in a status where the registry needs paperwork to activate showing he is an actual city registering the name before they activate it. He has no business registering this domain, let alone making such a fuss, this is the most absurd thread I have seen on namepros.

The .ca registry is one of the strictest ones out there, it is meant to protect their national interests. Read their contract online, it explains everything. You agreed to CIRA terms when you registered the name, did you actually read them, or just tick the box???

please read my previous threads carefully and figure it out what are you talking about?

Start · Feb 18, 2019

Yes, it makes sense that CIRA did not contact you, because they don't seem to work on weekends.

My guess is this:

- Each day, CIRA's automated system reviews which .ca domains got registered that day
- Any that have problems (like Bentley.ca) then get rejected, and the registrar (like NameSilo) is told that the domain got rejected
- So then NameSilo gave you the refund

You say that CIRA did not email you. Well that confirms that you never had rights to the domain, because once you register a domain successfully, CIRA emails you to say "Congratulations!".

Anyway, wwwwweb is right, if you just read the Terms & Conditions from CIRA, it will tell you everything. You have no chance to truly buy Bentley.ca, because it is reserved.

wwwweb · Feb 18, 2019

VaneZhao said:
please read my previous threads carefully and figure it out what are you talking about?

You make very little sense, and have NO BUSINESS registering .ca names. You are wasting bandwith, and making yourself look like someone who doesn't follow the rules, or know how to read basic TOS.

You are a CHINESE resident, living in China, where the heck do you get the nerve to whine about registering a residency restricted .ca domain.

READ the CIRA contract, in order to activate the domain they want official MUNICIPAL documents proving you represent that GEO BASED region within Canada. Nobody cares that your uncles son likes the Bentley car, and you think it is a common surname, those are useless facts. Even Chinese based registries require extra documentation to register .ca because of past abuses of registration.

domainnews · Feb 18, 2019

Start said:
Yes, it makes sense that CIRA did not contact you, because they don't seem to work on weekends.

My guess is this:

- Each day, CIRA's automated system reviews which .ca domains got registered that day
- Any that have problems (like Bentley.ca) then get rejected, and the registrar (like NameSilo) is told that the domain got rejected
- So then NameSilo gave you the refund

You say that CIRA did not email you. Well that confirms that you never had rights to the domain, because once you register a domain successfully, CIRA emails you to say "Congratulations!".

Anyway, wwwwweb is right, if you just read the Terms & Conditions from CIRA, it will tell you everything. You have no chance to truly buy Bentley.ca, because it is reserved.

if the .CA system got rejected ,why namesoli didnt email noticed until i emailed them ask why?if it was a reserved name,then why do i can register it?,on the other hand,if they totally reserved ,i will not possible to register it ,of course ,nothing would happen,right?
to conclude,its .CA registry or Namesoil fault

domainnews · Feb 18, 2019

wwwweb said:
You make very little sense, and have NO BUSINESS registering .ca names. You are wasting bandwith, and making yourself look like someone who doesn't follow the rules, or know how to read basic TOS.

You are a CHINESE resident, living in China, where the heck do you get the nerve to whine about registering a residency restricted .ca domain.

READ the CIRA contract, in order to activate the domain they want official MUNICIPAL documents proving you represent that GEO BASED region within Canada. Nobody cares that your uncles son likes the Bentley car, and you think it is a common surname, those are useless facts. Even Chinese based registries require extra documentation to register .ca because of past abuses of registration.

Im Chinese,yes ,right,but the name registered by my friend is Canadaian,so this name is her domain

Start · Feb 18, 2019

Yeah, the system should simply prevent reserved names from being registered through normal registrars. But CIRA made a major change to their system this month, so the new system may not be preventing registrars from attempting to register reserved names (I say attempting, not registering... because it's not really registered until CIRA says it is).

However, it doesn't matter anyway. CIRA has many rules that you have to agree to in order to sign-up and get a .ca, and this is one of the documents:
https://cira.ca/legal-policy-compliance/policies

In the "General Registration Rules", just 1 rule is this:
"Rejection, Refusal to Register, Suspension and Deletion by CIRA. CIRA, in its sole discretion, has the right to (i) reject and refuse any Registration Request for any reason whatsoever, to (ii) delete or suspend a Domain Name Registration within 30 days of the Registration Date and/or to (iii) delete or suspend a Domain Name Registration pursuant to the provisions of the Registrant Agreement."

I was looking for something else on that page, in order to reply to another thread just now, so I posted it. But I'm not going to reply here anymore, because I and others have given you the answer.

Sorry, but you can't get Bentley.ca, and there's nothing you can do about it.

domainnews · Feb 18, 2019

Start said:
Yeah, the system should simply prevent reserved names from being registered through normal registrars. But CIRA made a major change to their system this month, so the new system may not be preventing registrars from attempting to register reserved names (I say attempting, not registering... because it's not really registered until CIRA says it is).

However, it doesn't matter anyway. CIRA has many rules that you have to agree to in order to sign-up and get a .ca, and this is one of the documents:
https://cira.ca/legal-policy-compliance/policies

In the "General Registration Rules", just 1 rule is this:
"Rejection, Refusal to Register, Suspension and Deletion by CIRA. CIRA, in its sole discretion, has the right to (i) reject and refuse any Registration Request for any reason whatsoever, to (ii) delete or suspend a Domain Name Registration within 30 days of the Registration Date and/or to (iii) delete or suspend a Domain Name Registration pursuant to the provisions of the Registrant Agreement."

I was looking for something else on that page, to reply to another thread just now, so I posted it. But I'm not going to reply here anymore, because I and others have given you the answer.

Yeah,im turning to the lawyer at home,and i was told that my friend is consulting local lawyer as well,we wont give it up easily until they do something for us

Start · Feb 18, 2019

You'll just waste your time and money with a lawyer. Read what I pasted:

CIRA has the sole right to decide whether a .ca is approved or not. And they can even let a registration go through, and then cancel it within 30 days.

You have to agree to that to register a .ca.

And wwwweb is right, you are in China, so you yourself don't have any rights to a .ca. Your friend can register a .ca, but then she owns it, not you.

But anyway, CIRA can basically do whatever it wants regarding .ca approval, and Bentley is reserved.

domainnews · Feb 18, 2019

Start said:
You'll just waste your time and money with a lawyer. Read what I pasted:

CIRA has the sole right to decide whether a .ca is approved or not. And they can even let a registration go through, and then cancel it within 30 days.

You have to agree to that to register a .ca.

And wwwweb is right, you are in China, so you yourself don't have any rights to a .ca. Your friend can register a .ca, but then she owns it, not you.

But anyway, CIRA can basically do whatever it wants regarding .ca approval, and Bentley is reserved.

I have said nothing can stand in my way to protect my own interests ,im willing to waste that money with laywers even though i lost the case,and i stand by my friends to file law suit all the time and money or fees i can support her,of course ,she would not accept my money cause she doing business in Canada.

wwwweb · Feb 18, 2019

Start said:
Yeah, the system should simply prevent reserved names from being registered through normal registrars. But CIRA made a major change to their system this month, so the new system may not be preventing registrars from attempting to register reserved names (I say attempting, not registering... because it's not really registered until CIRA says it is).

However, it doesn't matter anyway. CIRA has many rules that you have to agree to in order to sign-up and get a .ca, and this is one of the documents:
https://cira.ca/legal-policy-compliance/policies

In the "General Registration Rules", just 1 rule is this:
"Rejection, Refusal to Register, Suspension and Deletion by CIRA. CIRA, in its sole discretion, has the right to (i) reject and refuse any Registration Request for any reason whatsoever, to (ii) delete or suspend a Domain Name Registration within 30 days of the Registration Date and/or to (iii) delete or suspend a Domain Name Registration pursuant to the provisions of the Registrant Agreement."

I was looking for something else on that page, in order to reply to another thread just now, so I posted it. But I'm not going to reply here anymore, because I and others have given you the answer.

Sorry, but you can't get Bentley.ca, and there's nothing you can do about it.

Many of those names get created as pending - create. They will show up in your account, but are not active, can’t eveb change the nameservers. Only upon CIRA officially activating the name after they review the proper district paperwork proving proof of being official city request will they activate the domain.

There were a lot of hiccups with the system
Upgrade to FURY, but it’s all another risk, and reward many big names that have 4th level registration reserve were made available for hand reg. Looks like they took most of them back. Big names like on.ca were released some in pending create like on.ca, but others like city.ca were free, and clear to do as the registrant pleased.

Now take our friend here who thinks he is going to flip this name to Bentley motor cars, as he really doesn’t have many other reasons to be fighting in red font for it.

Now he has this virtual paperweight sitting in his account, which he can’t do nothing with, as it is in pending create status, and we have to hear about his $9 loss.

domainnews · Feb 18, 2019

wwwweb said:
Many of those names get created as pending - create. They will show up in your account, but are not active, can’t eveb change the nameservers. Only upon CIRA officially activating the name after they review the proper district paperwork proving proof of being official city request will they activate the domain.

There were a lot of hiccups with the system
Upgrade to FURY, but it’s all another risk, and reward many big names that have 4th level registration reserve were made available for hand reg. Looks like they took most of them back. Big names like on.ca were released some in pending create like on.ca, but others like city.ca were free, and clear to do as the registrant pleased.

Now take our friend here who thinks he is going to flip this name to Bentley motor cars, as he really doesn’t have many other reasons to be fighting in red font for it.

Now he has this virtual paperweight sitting in his account, which he can’t do nothing with, as it is in pending create status, and we have to hear about his $9 loss.

If .CA registry requests me to submit documents,im willing and glad to asist with that

its no use to debate any more

Kate · Feb 18, 2019

Now you understand why some people advocate for the equivalent of a driving license to access the Internet...

HotKey · Feb 18, 2019

VaneZhao said:
Hi ,guys yestoday i regged Bentley.ca and took back by registry today without any emails when i checked my account

Sorry to hear. It happened to a lot of fellow investors. There was a recent upgrade in the CIRA system, and the kinks still being ironed out.

VaneZhao said:
Whats wrong in the world with .CA registry? beraking my heart

Yes, they can be cold-hearted bastards. If something falls through the cracks, they fix it. On the surface, makes them kind of selfish. But if you dig deeper, and listen to the educated responses provided here by your fellow members, you will see this is all part of the master plan to follow the rules.

VaneZhao said:
only refund but no any compensations? sucks!

Yep. We only give lollipops here after a visit to the dentist.

VaneZhao said:
Could i file a law suit against .CA registry?

You might have something with the broken heart. Tug at their strings. But not likely, as this is a common occurrence around the Valentine's Day holiday.

any good advice will be much appreciat it!

Move to Canada. Read twice, buy once. Help the needy.

HotKey · Feb 18, 2019

Kate said:
Now you understand why some people advocate for the equivalent of a driving license to access the Internet...

I think the release of .app is helping with that..

Fancy.domains · Feb 18, 2019

I have no idea if this is the reason but:

http://www.udrpsearch.com/search?query=bentley&search=domain

domainnews · Feb 18, 2019

wwwweb said:
People in North America are sleeping right now, you can sleep well knowing nobody is going to take off with your $9.

Fancy.domains said:
I have no idea if this is the reason but:

http://www.udrpsearch.com/search?query=bentley&search=domain

I dont supposed so but main factor from humanity selfishness and greediness

HotKey · Feb 18, 2019

Fancy.domains said:
I have no idea if this is the reason but:

http://www.udrpsearch.com/search?query=bentley&search=domain

With the .ca's, you cannot register a second-level name if it is taken in the third-level.
eg:

name.example.ca is being used, so even though name.ca may be unregistered, it cannot be registered because it is taken in the third-level.

domainnews · Feb 18, 2019

HotKey said:
With the .ca's, you cannot register a second-level name if it is taken in the third-level.
eg:

name.example.ca is being used, so even though name.ca may be unregistered, it cannot be registered because it is taken in the third-level.

to some extend ,the rules set by .CAregistry similar to.UK domains

sircc · Feb 18, 2019

You're not Canadian, end of story.

MasterOfMyDomains · Feb 18, 2019

Cira is still having issues. I use namesilo bulk search feature religeously
Showing rosevalley.ca to register. All registrar are. Its not available.
Maybe get your friend to register that one at namesilo have two reports to fill out.

Maybe i was wrong about the friend thing, dunno. But some names are reserved and showing available, since CIRA did their improvements. No one can own bentley, namesilo would have refunded you regardless of how many times you emailed them in middle of night.
Keep us posted on the lawyer thing, cira was definitely in wrong allowing anyone to reg that or any restricted/reserved .ca

briguy · Feb 18, 2019

Seems to be a Canadian city in Alberta and is "protected" by CIRA

https://www.google.ca/search?client...ity&oq=bentleycanada+city&aqs=mobile-gws-lite..

Maybe @DomainRecap can explain better..

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