.us .US - The OFFICIAL Discussion, Showcase and Sales Report Thread

slaughterbeck · Feb 13, 2006

It appears the domain industry has been starting to take notice of the .us namespace over the past year, read DnJournal.com .us growth and Namepros with even greater expectations for the year to come.

So I thought it would be a good idea to ask everyone to show us your .us domain names. You can post your favorites or your entire portfolio.

Jv1999 · Feb 7, 2019

kemjika11 said:
Tbh, regarding this "1% average annual sale rate of a portfolio", i think thats incorrect IF you hold the right types of/in demand names. If any of us owned 100 LLL.coms does this mean we would only be able to sell 1 a year? i dont think so.

Right, no. I'm seeing lots of 4Ls selling for lower than people bought them. (which means just because you have a 3L or 4L, doesn't mean that you're immune from 1% rule) I'm not really asking about higher-quality portfolios because even if you have 1000 domains that are worth minimum $5,000 each, then it having a 1% sail rate is okay because you're making way above the renewal price.

but dna was holding weird domains like wino.us and sailing for $400.. and he/she seemed comfortable with doing so. That intrigued me because if he only had a 1% rate each year, then he couldn't be sailing for only $400 to make up for renewals.

That led to the guess conclusion that after 10 years his sail rate must be over 1% in order to be able to sail at $400 and still be happy.

Armageddon · Feb 7, 2019

My BEST 100 .US are for sale: Lie.us,iCasino.us,Wait.us,Exit.us & more..
https://www.namepros.com/threads/my...e-us-icasino-us-wait-us-exit-us-more.1122599/

Bob Hawkes · Feb 7, 2019

Jv1999 said:
So what happened with Paul Nicks? Did he actually test his model and bought domains for $75 to $100, then sold them for $3k, and what was his % after year 1, year 2... etc.?

It was a model, not based on his or anyone's experience. I presume he had some basis for the 1%.

In broad measures the model would go like this (round numbers for simplicity). These are NOT his exact numbers but to show the idea of the model.

Year 1 You buy 1000 domains at $50 each.
You sell 10 domains at $3000 each.
You lose $24,500 (depends on your selling costs - I assume about 15%)

Year 2 you buy another 1000 domains at $50 each
You have 1990 domains (990 from first year, another 1000 new)
You sell 20 domains (1%) in year 2 at $3000 average each.
You pay about $10,000 in renewals.
In this year you lose just under $1000.

I didn't include anything for other costs in my simplified model.

In his model, with I think a bit higher prices for buying, you break even after year 3, and make something like $90,000 'salary' by year 6. You also end up with a very large portfolio, and would need to work full time just to manage it, which was the idea off his model.

Of curse GD (or whoever you pay your renewal costs, selling costs, auction/dropcatch costs, etc. to) make money from your investment every year!

Bob

Jv1999 · Feb 7, 2019

Bob Hawkes said:
It was a model, not based on his or anyone's experience. I presume he had some basis for the 1%.

In broad measures the model would go like this (round numbers for simplicity). These are NOT his exact numbers but to show the idea of the model.

Year 1 You buy 1000 domains at $50 each.
You sell 10 domains at $3000 each.
You lose $24,500 (depends on your selling costs - I assume about 15%)

Year 2 you buy another 1000 domains at $50 each
You have 1990 domains (990 from first year, another 1000 new)
You sell 20 domains (1%) in year 2 at $3000 average each.
You pay about $10,000 in renewals.
In this year you lose just under $1000.

I didn't include anything for other costs in my simplified model.

In his model, with I think a bit higher prices for buying, you break even after year 3, and make something like $90,000 'salary' by year 6. You also end up with a very large portfolio, and would need to work full time just to manage it, which was the idea off his model.

Of curse GD (or whoever you pay your renewal costs, selling costs, auction/dropcatch costs, etc. to) make money from your investment every year!

Bob

Oh, so he's simply building a higher quality portfolio over time. yah, sailing for 3k at 1% is profitable when all you pay is renewal.

Bob Hawkes · Feb 7, 2019

It is obvious, but would point out that to break even if the rate is

1%, you need to NET (i.e. gross price minus commissions, payout etc. minus acquisition) make 100x your annual holding cost on the domain - e.g. 100 *$10
2%, you need to NET (i.e. gross price minus commissions, payout etc. minus acquisition) make 50x your annual holding cost on the domain

etc.

Bob Hawkes · Feb 7, 2019

Jv1999 said:
Oh, so he's simply building a higher quality portfolio over time. yah, sailing for 3k at 1% is profitable when all you pay is renewal.

Yes selling at $3000 is profitable with 1% rate if annual costs are $10. However even in the model you need to work full time for no salary for almost 3 years and invest many tens of thousands of dollars of your own money before you become profitable and can start to take a salary in year 4. Not the easy domain flipping sometimes portrayed.

Bob Hawkes · Feb 7, 2019

Of course with .us domain names you should probably use about $8 not $10 as annual costs. Also, if you keep some for just one year, the cost on those is a lot less. So even with 1% you might be profitable at substantially less than $1000 per domain sale.

ecomslice · Feb 7, 2019

Cool HACKS and some 4L , RunWith TradeFor PEAL . . etc..

https://www.namepros.com/threads/us-4l-hacks-runwith-tradefor-wealth-and-more.1122617/

Name Trader · Feb 7, 2019

Bob Hawkes said:
It was a model, not based on his or anyone's experience. I presume he had some basis for the 1%.

In broad measures the model would go like this (round numbers for simplicity). These are NOT his exact numbers but to show the idea of the model.

Year 1 You buy 1000 domains at $50 each.
You sell 10 domains at $3000 each.
You lose $24,500 (depends on your selling costs - I assume about 15%)

Year 2 you buy another 1000 domains at $50 each
You have 1990 domains (990 from first year, another 1000 new)
You sell 20 domains (1%) in year 2 at $3000 average each.
You pay about $10,000 in renewals.
In this year you lose just under $1000.

I didn't include anything for other costs in my simplified model.

In his model, with I think a bit higher prices for buying, you break even after year 3, and make something like $90,000 'salary' by year 6. You also end up with a very large portfolio, and would need to work full time just to manage it, which was the idea off his model.

Of curse GD (or whoever you pay your renewal costs, selling costs, auction/dropcatch costs, etc. to) make money from your investment every year!

Bob

I can relate to that. The problem being sales go up and down wildly in price and volume each year. If you could count on this even consistency for every year, it's a plan for wealth creation. But in reality it doesn't work out so nicely. It's also one heck of a full-time job just managing the portfolio, as you point out. Of course, you don't always make 100% perfect judgements when you are performing this management of your portfolio. Which can cut deeply into these nice even returns. If you are not extremely careful.

kemjika11 · Feb 8, 2019

Jv1999 said:
Right, no. I'm seeing lots of 4Ls selling for lower than people bought them. (which means just because you have a 3L or 4L, doesn't mean that you're immune from 1% rule) I'm not really asking about higher-quality portfolios because even if you have 1000 domains that are worth minimum $5,000 each, then it having a 1% sail rate is okay because you're making way above the renewal price.

You're seeing that because the 4L market is currently in depression/contracting due to Chinese CHIPS bust, so thats what explains the lower prices. Other profitable sales are still going on at the same time too.

I still stand by my comment that if you have 4L and 3L you can easily sell more than 1%, because there is more than 1% of effective demand yearly for those types of names. Even the worst 3L.coms are still selling 15K-20K currently so even if you had 100 of those you can easily sell more than 1 a year imo.

but dna was holding weird domains like wino.us and sailing for $400.. and he/she seemed comfortable with doing so. That intrigued me because if he only had a 1% rate each year, then he couldn't be sailing for only $400 to make up for renewals.

Ok

That led to the guess conclusion that after 10 years his sail rate must be over 1% in order to be able to sail at $400 and still be happy.

Ok.

Silentptnr · Aug 1, 2019

Nice sale reported today...

Generate.us - $8,000

I read it on DomainNameWire...
https://domainnamewire.com/2019/08/01/my-favorite-end-user-domain-purchase-ever-and-11-others/

Silentptnr · Aug 1, 2019

I still acquire quality .us domains while they are cheap.

Just bought vlog.us yesterday for $45.

Silentptnr · Aug 1, 2019

Also, transferring to namesilo is 6.99.

Armageddon · Aug 1, 2019

Silentptnr said:
I still acquire quality .us domains while they are cheap.

Just bought vlog.us yesterday for $45.

Nice one!

lotk · Aug 1, 2019

@Silentptnr do you ever get end user sales? I hardly get any inquiries.

Silentptnr · Aug 1, 2019

lotk said:
@Silentptnr do you ever get end user sales? I hardly get any inquiries.

Rarely, but I sell only passively. I run auctions when have names I want to sell. Usually once per quarter.

Lega.cy · Aug 1, 2019

Got my only .us domain from auctions two months ago or so.

beep(...)us

More as a brand play, (beep us) rather than anything else

Silentptnr · Aug 1, 2019

.us sales and prices going way up...
https://namebio.com/?s==AzMwMjN1IjM

Look at the sales and the graph.

Silentptnr · Aug 1, 2019

I dont know why but gameh5 dot us just sold two days ago for over 10k at GD.

Silentptnr · Aug 1, 2019

Alexej K said:
Got my only .us domain from auctions two months ago or so.

beep(...)us

More as a brand play, (beep us) rather than anything else

Those are the kind I hold on to.

robert widener · Aug 10, 2019

Edited

homebuyer · Aug 12, 2019

Silentptnr said:
I dont know why but gameh5 dot us just sold two days ago for over 10k at GD.

The reason for the high sales price is that it, according to godaddy, received 1 to 2 million hits a month. Yep.

Keith · Aug 13, 2019

I acquired Soccer...

This extension isn’t one I’m fond of but our family loves the sport and it’s growing wild in the States.

Name Trader · Aug 13, 2019

Keith said:
I acquired Soccer...

This extension isn’t one I’m fond of but our family loves the sport and it’s growing wild in the States.

Nice one

Silentptnr · Aug 13, 2019

Keith said:
I acquired Soccer...

This extension isn’t one I’m fond of but our family loves the sport and it’s growing wild in the States.

Huge

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