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The only times I see push back against Christians is when they interfere with other people's lives, some examples:

They were the main force against gay marriage. Something that is none of their business.

See the posts in this thread alone, against gays, trans. None of their business.

They are the main force against abortion. What a woman decides to do with her own body, none of their business.

They are against things that can literally help save people's lives, like Embryonic stem cell research.

Or that one dude, who was a fundamentalist and knowingly broke the law and tried to contact the "primitives" he caught an arrow. He should have left those people alone.

etc.

So if you're Christian and just live your own life and left other people alone, there would be less issues.


The only times I see push back against Christians is when they interfere with other people's lives, some examples:

They were a main force against gay marriage. Something that is none of their business.

See the posts in this thread alone, against gays, trans. None of their business.

I can't debate that fact, That is correct. and myself living deep within the bible belt
I know certain conventions of denomination did in fact petition Gay marriage, Casinos, and many other things.

I did not, and would never participate in the signing petitions or outward protest of Gay marriage, Casinos

They are a main force against abortion. What a woman decides to do with her own body, none of their business.

They are against things that can literally help save people's lives, like Embryonic stem cell research.

Or that one dude, who was a fundamentalist and knowingly broke the law and tried to contact the "primitives" he caught an arrow. He should have left those people alone.

etc.

So if you're Christian and just live your own life and left other people alone, there would be less issues.
The only times I see push back against Christians is when they interfere with other people's lives, some examples:

They were a main force against gay marriage. Something that is none of their business.

See the posts in this thread alone, against gays, trans. None of their business.

They are a main force against abortion. What a woman decides to do with her own body, none of their business.

They are against things that can literally help save people's lives, like Embryonic stem cell research.

Or that one dude, who was a fundamentalist and knowingly broke the law and tried to contact the "primitives" he caught an arrow. He should have left those people alone.

etc.

So if you're Christian and just live your own life and left other people alone, there would be less issues.

I can't debate that fact, That is correct. I myself do not participate in such protests or petitioning.

It is conventions of denominations that mostly did these protests and petitions. I am non-denominational, although I was born and grew up a Baptist, Once an adult, I denounced my Baptist denomination, I visited the Methodist church, Luthern, I chose to be non-denominational when all was said and done.

I live deep within the Bible belt of the south, So I think most can imagine how the denominations fuss amongst each other. I chose not to be a part of any of that.

I believe in God and Jesus Christ solely by my own choice, not by my parents or relatives or any other reasoning, only by my choice.

I have friends and acquaintances that are Jewish, Hindi, Catholic, Muslim, never once have i had a religious debate with any of them, I respect their beliefs and them as my friends.

Religion is free will, just as being Gay, or whatever choices we make in life are Free Will IMO. we make our choices, we must live with them throughout eternity IMO.

Although I disagree with many many things, who am to judge ? I am busy judging myself, not others.

I believe in the Greek Bible, not the King James version, no version other than the first Greek Bible written. I think most know that the Bible has been re-written many times, and still to this day new versions are being written. When I am in doubt of meaning, I revert to the dictionary, I do not interpret my own theory, I only believe as it was written and exactly as it is stated in the Greek Bible.
 
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I can't debate that fact, That is correct. I myself do not participate in such protests or petitioning.

It is conventions of denominations that mostly did these protests and petitions. I am non-denominational, although I was born and grew up a Baptist, Once an adult, I denounced my Baptist denomination, I visited the Methodist church, Luthern, I chose to be non-denominational when all was said and done.

I live deep within the Bible belt of the south, So I think most can imagine how the denominations fuss amongst each other. I chose not to be a part of any of that.

I believe in God and Jesus Christ solely by my own choice, not by my parents or relatives or any other reasoning, only by my choice.

I have friends and acquaintances that are Jewish, Hindi, Catholic, Muslim, never once have i had a religious debate with any of them, I respect their beliefs and them as my friends.

Religion is free will, just as being Gay, or whatever choices we make in life are Free Will IMO. we make our choices, we must live with them throughout eternity IMO.

Although I disagree with many many things, who am I to judge? I am busy judging myself, not others.

I believe in the Greek Bible, not the King James version, no version other than the first Greek Bible written. I think most know that the Bible has been re-written many times, and still to this day new versions are being written. When I am in doubt of meaning, I revert to the dictionary, I do not interpret my own theory, I only believe as it was written and exactly as it is stated in the Greek Bible.
 
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I keep trying to un fuck my multiple posts, I am failing horribly, sorry folks
 
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thebradfordfile™ @thebradfordfile

Carter: Let's fix immigration.
Reagan: Let's fix immigration.
Bush 41: Let's fix immigration.
Clinton: Let's fix immigration.
Bush 43: Let's fix immigration.
Obama: Let's fix immigration.
Trump: Let's build a wall.

All talk and no action! But when Trump tries something different, there are only obstacles!!!
 
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RockPrincess @Rockprincess818
Violent gang banger and Illegal immigrant cop killer in #California had two prior DUI’s and was released back into the general public.
Law enforcement was prohibited from sharing his immigration status with ICE per California’s Sanctuary State Law. Sick.

thebradfordfile™ @thebradfordfile
The United States maintains nearly 800 military bases in more than 70 countries and territories abroad. Perhaps it's time to close a few of those and build bases that protect our southern border.
BUILD THE WALL.
 
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Right! Let's keep it on topic for JB. No more current events unless they're about the end of CHUMP!

Nothing but Trump is a chump stories, trump tweets, tweets about trump and pictures of Vlad and Donald hugging, kissing and BDSM, really ANY gay or homophobic pictures of Donald and Vlad will do.


Why would I feel bad? I just hope you get the help you need with your obsessions, maybe bring your brother along and it can be group/family therapy.

And I like her Tims, I own some myself. Anybody mocking her, probably don't own any. They make a quality product.
 
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Liberal Billionaire Apologizes For Funding Russian Bot ‘False Flag’ — But Questions Remain Unanswered
https://dailycaller.com/2018/12/26/facebook-democrats-russian-ads/
  • Hoffman did not mention in his apology who executed a disinformation campaign designed to tie Moore to Russian internet trolls.
  • One of the officials who was responsible for the Russian bot “false flag” operation is an Obama-era official.
And the media doesn't care. Life is good when you're a democrat.
 
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JB loves to bring up Catholics and Boy Scouts sexually abusing children but will have a break down when you remind him over 70% of the victims are teenage boys and the perps were overwhelmingly homosexual men.

Christian charities have been banned from providing services to orphans and foster care because they believe in the biblical definition of sexual morality.

In Oregon, a government official compared refusing to create a custom wedding cake to rape, fined the bakery owners $135,000 and issued an injunction preventing them from talking about the case with threats of more fines and civil penalties.

LGBTQ mafia and media have lead a failed boycott against Chick-fil-A because a board member donated to political campaign to protect traditional marriage. A law that passed in California. Has there ever been a case of sexual discrimination by corporate Chick-fil-A? They are hated because they practice Christian values.

I posted a CURRENT story about a 6'+, 190lbs man having a temper tantrum, destroying inventory, threatening women and JB has another meltdown. I guess only Christians are disturbed by grown men acting violently in a crowded retail store because someone said "sir".

Shelters for abused women in Seattle were sued by a queer man for not allowing men with dicks to stay in the same building as women who are homeless because of violence against them and their children.

Obviously Christians are the problem not politically motivated, hateful trolls.

The only times I see push back against Christians is when they interfere with other people's lives, some examples:

They were a main force against gay marriage. Something that is none of their business.

See the posts in this thread alone, against gays, trans. None of their business.

They are a main force against abortion. What a woman decides to do with her own body, none of their business.

They are against things that can literally help save people's lives, like Embryonic stem cell research.

Or that one dude, who was a fundamentalist and knowingly broke the law and tried to contact the "primitives" he caught an arrow. He should have left those people alone.

etc.

So if you're Christian and just live your own life and left other people alone, there would be less issues.

What this troll won't say: His Lord and Savior Barack Obama was against gay marriage when Brendan Eich committed the crime of was donating to protect traditional marriage.
 
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Exactly.
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https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1078927952652324866?

Stanislaus County Sheriff Adam Christianson on the murder of Officer Ronil Singh by an illegal immigrant: “Whether you hate the president or love the president, border security goes hand in hand with national security, the safety of our communities, and public safety”

Office Singh immigrated to the USA legally and achieved the American dream. He was murdered by a illegal alien from Mexico who had committed multiple crimes, was a known gang member and ineligible for citizenship under any law in the USA.

We need a wall to secure our SOUTHERN border because that is where most of the illegal immigration is coming from.

Illegal immigration is a problem because democrats are more interested in protect criminals than our own citizens.
 
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According to @govtrack, the House of Representatives has 53 members from California I just looked through the Twitter feeds of all 53 to see if they had tweeted about the murder of Newman, California Corporal Ronil Singh The results are depressing to say the least...

https://twitter.com/Cameron_Gray/status/1078820484484091914

TL;DR, Of the 53, only one, that's right, ONE, wrote a tweet about the murder of Corporal Singh, @GOPLeader Kevin McCarthy

Still think Democrats care about citizens and minorities? The Democrats have officially become the anti-American party.
 
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One for @offthehandle he'll enjoy

Trump issues executive order freezing federal workers' pay in 2019
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/29/politics/trump-executive-order-federal-workers-pay-freeze/index.html
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I am in the White House waiting for the Democrats to come on over and make a deal on Border Security. From what I hear, they are spending so much time on Presidential Harassment that they have little time left for things like stopping crime and our military!
Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago

They're keeping him stuck at the White House. No Merry Lago New Year's Party for him.
 
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Most illegal contraband arrives in the USA via container ship.
Most illegal immigrants in the USA came here legally and overstayed their visa.
Illegal border crossings are down.
Wall will disrupt ecosystems and thousands of property owners will have land seized by eminent domain.
Someone’s sure to come up with a “big Fing ladder” (or equivalent) to deal with any “big Fing wall”
Redundancy is necessary. If 100% of wall isn’t patrolled by humans or smart technology, that section is vulnerable. Why not cut to the chase and use a more modern solution to begin with?

Those billions of dollars could be put to better use for any of these:
  • Fixing our own roads and bridges
  • Public transit
  • Public schools
  • VA hospitals and programs
  • Fixing our broken healthcare system
  • Clean water
  • Clean energy
  • Food safety (Fun fact: More people in the US were killed by lettuce last year than by illegal immigrants.)
  • Medical research
  • Etc.
 
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American Liberals must live in a different planet. In every country where a wall has been built to stop various types of invasions or terrorist attacks, the success rate has been very close to 100%. Only the thick sculled American Liberals believe the contrary. Absolutely NO Common Sense!!!

If you don't build the wall very soon, it will double in length in the not too distant future... and who knows, Mexico might eventually border with Canada!
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One for @offthehandle he'll enjoy

Trump issues executive order freezing federal workers' pay in 2019
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Trump Fans More Tolerant Than College Liberals

 
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“The Conservative Tree House may be called a Last Refuge for each of us for different reasons. Whatever trail through the woods brought us here, we have shared the turmoil of storms as we have been finding our voices as individuals in this growing community

Perhaps you’ve had some truly shockingly cruel things said to you purely because you believe in limited government and fiscal conservatism. Perhaps you not only believe that we should be self-reliant and personally responsible, but also believe that when we are allowed to depend on ourselves, we are stronger, more successful, take greater pride in ourselves and our work, and are more likely to make positive contributions to society. And then we are happier people, or at least more likely to be happier.

Which lends to the following theory: Fear is at the core of liberalism, and love/trust is at the core of conservatism. Liberalism is about control. Conservatism is about self-empowerment.

Control is a reaction to fear. Think in terms or politics and society – the fear behind liberalism is the fear that someone might withhold things (opportunities, money, whatever) from me, fear that if you live your life in a way I dislike that it might affect my life, fear that if you get that job, there will be nothing left for me. Fear that if you make tons of money, it’s means there’s less money out there for me. So people who believe in liberal ideologies seek control as a means of trying to create guarantees and safeguards against those circumstances they fear. Liberals try to control the world and people to enable their comfort and happiness. Which, as we know, is an endless quest. Trying to control others does nothing in the way of making oneself happy. By extension, voting in this mindset so that government can try to control others will also – shocking – not lead to a happier, more comfortable life.

The conservative (and moderate, independent, but for the sake of expediency, the conservative), on the other hand, relies on himself to meet his own needs. And the trade off of being free to live his life as he wishes is also understanding that he has to make peace with how you live yours. By extension, aware that he wants to be able to hold onto this liberty and freedom forever, the conservative votes accordingly, so that everyone can remain free and in charge of his or her own life.

But here’s the crucial difference, perhaps, particularly where misery on the left stems: The conservative does not worry, so to speak, about you. The conservative knows that you were born with the same access to self-love, self-empowerment, self-determination and self-reliance that we all were, no matter the circumstances into which you were born. (Think about the millions of people this country has allowed to crawl up from poverty into prosperity – the conservative KNOWS this is possible.) And the conservative believes that if you want prosperity, or a good job, or a good education, you can make it happen – but you have to work hard. The conservative hopes and intends that the free markets bring you all of the affordable and positive opportunities and resources that you need. The conservative also knows that on the other side of that hard work is great reward – material and, more importantly, emotional, spiritual and mental.

The conservative understands that not only is it a waste of time to try to control you, it’s actually impossible. Humans were born to be free. And if we put a roadblock in front of you, you’ll find another way around it. So we see attempts at control as a waste of resources, energy and time at best, and at worst, creating detrimental results that serve to hinder people’s upward mobility or teach dependence. We see much more efficiency, as well as endless opportunity, in leaving you to your own devices. And we want the same in return.

This is where democrats mis-view republicans as heartless. But really, the conservative believes that there is one and one path only to sustainable success and independence – and that is self-empowerment. All other avenues – welfare, affirmative action, housing loans you can’t actually afford – ultimately risk doing a disservice to people as they teach dependence on special circumstances, the govt, or arbitrary assistance (that can disappear tomorrow). And the real danger – they will ALWAYS backfire, and leave the recipient in equally or more dire circumstances. Any false improvement will always expire.

The conservative believes in abundance. The liberal believes in scarcity.

The conservative believes man is born free and will be who he is, no matter what arbitrary limitations or rules are put on him. The liberal believes man is perfectible, and by extension, believes a society at large is perfectible, and command and control is justified in the quest to a “perfect” utopian society. (Sounds familiar!)

The conservative tends to be more faithful – and not necessarily in God, but in the ability of the individual to find great strength in himself (or from his God) to get what he needs and to be successful. Therefore the conservative has an outlet for his fear and disappointment – trust and faith in something bigger. The liberal believes the system must be perfected in order to enable success. Therefore disappointment is channeled as anger and blame at the system. Voids are left to be filled by faith in the govt, which they surely then want to come in and “fix” things.

And therein lies the roots of love and fear respectively. For the conservative, when life presents great struggles, he knows he has the power to surmount them. Happiness stems from internal strength and perseverance. For the liberal, when life presents great struggles, the system failed, therefore they were at the mercy of a faulty system, and they believe that only when the system is fixed can their life improve. Happiness is built on systemic contingencies, which they will then seek to control or expect someone else to.

One blames himself. The other blames anyone and everyone but himself.

And there it is. There’s where the meanness comes from. The liberal ideology causes that person to cast anger at the world when things go wrong or appear “unfair.” He constantly chooses only to see the “injustices” – and that makes for a very miserable, mean, blame-casting existence.

One last point that we have seen over and over and over with many (not all) of our liberal friends: Extreme stinginess and cheapness.

In our conservative community growing up, we were always taught that you give when people are in need – make donations to the Red Cross when there’s an earthquake, donate to charity when you can afford it, etc. Even if it’s just $50 here and there – it’s the right thing to do. Conservatives see this as the responsibility that comes with gaining from the capitalistic system; if you happen to benefit greatly from the system, it’s your duty to give back.

The liberal, on the other hand, does not seem to share this same viewpoint, at least not in my experience. And perhaps think this is linked to believing in scarcity, and that your dollar comes at the cost of mine. So it seems that liberals, on some level of consciousness, feel guilty about not being voluntarily charitable. Therefore, to write off their guilt, they outsource their “generosity” to the government by voting for wealth re-distributive policies. Thus, the liberal cheats himself of the joy and addictiveness of direct generosity. (Not to mention – re distributive policies ALWAYS end up dis-empowering those who they’re meant to help.)

However each of us got here, it’s probably a fact that we have the turmoil of those storms in common, perhaps some unease that we could share and always, we also find fresh ground to cover from day to day. We’re developing valuable relationships as we trust one another in our community in the woods. The chatting in the branches encourages, strengthens and equips for some serious walking.

We think the Treehouse is a good armory for those who doing long distance walking for the sake of our nation. We hope you’ll think so, too. Find yourself a good branch….or just pull up a rock to the campfire.”

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/about/
 
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This is a myth. Over a thousand people a day cross the southern border to enter the USA illegally.
Most illegal immigrants in the USA came here legally and overstayed their visa...

We don't even know how many people are in the USA from central and south America. What we do know, there are not a lot European kids taking English as a second language.
 
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I still think all the fuss over a wall is ridiculous, a waste of taxpayer money as well as a waste of taxpayer money for Washington to have sessions about getting a wall.

No one can hire someone that is in the country illegally, no exceptions, no one can provide any housing for some who is here illegally, no exceptions. no sanctuary from churches, cities, states. If caught in any of these violations, the possibility of jail time, business closure.

So no food, no housing, no sanctuary, the border itself is secure.

Those who fail to reapply for a visa and are living here on an expired visa, have a warrant for their arrest, that being city, state and a federal warrant. and our Immigration authorities must go make house calls and get to work on keeping those who have a visa expiration up and coming notified to the visa holder.

The problem?? well, we are fighting ourselves as Americans on such a simple set of laws. Why? because of cheap labor within our country for the most part IMO . The business sector would oppose such laws on a high level as they would no longer be able to pay their workers a cheap non-livable wage. that causing a bunch of companies to be forced to end their business venture.

Then you have the illegal immigrants that have failed to reapply for an extended visa from countries such as Russia, India, Africa and so on, Who continue to maintain well-paying jobs throughout corporate America. they must be held to the same law standards as any other person who is the country illegally.

Here we come into the Children that were born here from these people that are caught being in the country illegally, a very sensitive subject, and should be. It should be treated the same as any American that has committed a crime and must be incarcerated. The child with either be given to a relative, if no relative is available, the child would enter the foster care and child protective services system. This is a general protocol for all Americans who are facing jail, prison or mental health facilities. This happens every day to natural born Americans, Is this protocol to cruel for illegal immigrants? I think not IMO.

So basically there are three forms of consequences for illegal immigrants, deportation, jail, and prison.

The above laws being written into law and enforced daily by local, state and federal law enforcement, some of these laws are already written in, but not enforced.


The illegal immigration problem in America is not a hard issue to fix, If enforcement is applied IMO
 
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Trump doesn't really have an issue with illegals as long as they work for him.

New Jersey AG has obtained evidence of possible crimes at Trump's golf club — and Mueller, FBI are involved in probe

"New Jersey prosecutors have collected evidence that supervisors at President Trump’s Garden State golf club may have committed federal immigration crimes — and the FBI as well as special counsel Robert Mueller have played part in the inquiry, the Daily News has learned.

Anibal Romero, a Newark attorney who represents several undocumented immigrants who used to work at the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, said Friday he recently met with investigators from the state attorney general’s office and handed over fraudulent green cards and Social Security numbers that management at the club allegedly procured and gave his clients, Victorina Morales and Sandra Diaz."

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/po...vidence-crimes-trump-golf-20181228-story.html
 
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