question Are expired auctions pre-pending delete?

Anyone? Can domains in the ''expired domains'' section on GD or dynadot be secured or is it still up to the previous domain owner? How does it work?

on dynadot if the owner doesn't renew it and you win the auction, the domain will be yours.

davidc1 said:

on dynadot if the owner doesn't renew it and you win the auction, the domain will be yours.

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So there is no dropcatching process? The domain doesn't drop, it is automatically assigned to the winner if it doesn't get renewed?

What about godaddy? Same thing?

Dynadot and Godaddy if they are the registry, the names are in their control and will not drop, however they are not true absolute auctions, they play by their own online rules. Feel free to bid (and possibly waste your time), but ime the owner will renew if the name is decent and gets bids. The API bidders on GD also are annoying. Lots of threads here about this issue.

offthehandle said:

Dynadot and Godaddy if they are the registry, the names are in their control and will not drop, however they are not true absolute auctions, they play by their own online rules. Feel free to bid (and possibly waste your time), but ime the owner will renew if the name is decent and gets bids. The API bidders on GD also are annoying. Lots of threads here about this issue.

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Thank you for your input. So why don't all registrars do this? Why don't they all have expired auctions so they could sell them for thousands (potentially) instead of letting the name drop and be registered at reg fee by a dropcatcher? What would be your guess for the ratio of dropped and renewed names in Dynadot and Godaddy expired auctions? I'm talking about good names tho.

By API bidders, do you mean automatic bidders and snipers?

Lord Antares said:

So, for example, gd expired and dynadot expired auctions. To my understanding, these are auctions of domains pre-pending delete, meaning the owner could still renew them.

I think that because I've seen a post where dynadot said they allow their users to renew their expired domains, even in auction.

So, if the owner fails to renew them, do they drop or do they go straight to the auction winner? Do they need to be caught or is the winner spot secured?

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The worst part at dynadot is if the owner renews you get account credit at DD they don't offer cash refund.

Daniel Owens said:

The worst part at dynadot is if the owner renews you get account credit at DD they don't offer cash refund.

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I've read a thread about that and mentioned that that's a scam, but dynadot replied saying that you can request the amount to be refunded to your original payment method by mailing them.

But all of that is fine and dandy; I don't care for the auctions themselves, I'm studying something.

Daniel Owens said:

The worst part at dynadot is if the owner renews you get account credit at DD they don't offer cash refund.

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Exactly, I forgot to include that detail. My first one and only transaction was for several hundred and the domainer renewed, I requested a cash refund and was only offered credit. I posted here twice and never received a response, no interest in using them again.

Lord Antares said:

So why don't all registrars do this? Why don't they all have expired auctions so they could sell them for thousands (potentially) instead of letting the name drop and be registered at reg fee by a dropcatcher? What would be your guess for the ratio of dropped and renewed names in Dynadot and Godaddy expired auctions? I'm talking about good names tho.

By API bidders, do you mean automatic bidders and snipers?

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Namesilo has auctions and free grace renewal period after which the name costs like $80 penalty up until expiration final date and auction close. GD implemented this as well.

Having a bidding platform is most likely a pain. Somebody else could answer the ratio question, I rarely bid after seeing the nonsense and I just don’t trust the situations. GD won’t identify bidders, the domainers gaming the system with renewals, the automated API’s, etc. Funny too, with the domainer blog w pay per click promotion links, whose owner also admitted he uses an API. Nice. Lol.

The drop market to auction is cornered by DropCatch, who do well imo. If an upstart came along as a competing registry and dropcatcher, nearly impossible barrier to entry to compete with Namebright-DropCatch. Look up the Pheenix threads here and you will see they stopped offering drop catching and auctions.

offthehandle said:

The drop market to auction is cornered by DropCatch, who do well imo. If an upstart came along as a competing registry and dropcatcher, nearly impossible barrier to entry to compete with Namebright-DropCatch. Look up the Pheenix threads here and you will see they stopped offering drop catching and auctions.

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Yeah I know. I actually looked into developing dropcatching software and I know how it works and what needs to be done but then I found out that it's not possible to compete (realistically) with DropCatch as they own thousands of registrar - each decreasing the latency and increasing the chance to win the name. I would need to spend a bucketload of money to be able to realistically compete, so I scrapped dropcatching, at least in that form.

I have no interest in bidding in expired domain auction, but I want to know better how they work. I think I know now. Joe Styler also just replied and confirmed the business model.

Lord Antares said:

so I scrapped dropcatching, at least in that form.

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Just pay the $59, I have had a good experience with them. Their auctions are not allowing API bidding, they show user ID’s, they keep a close eye on the process, you can get a real person to call and talk to, etc.

offthehandle said:

Just pay the $59, I have had a good experience with them. Their auctions are not allowing API bidding, they show user ID’s, they keep a close eye on the process, you can get a real person to call and talk to, etc.

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I can't afford to bid on those auctions. I'm looking into some other things.

Lord Antares said:

I can't afford to bid on those auctions. I'm looking into some other things.

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try using a snapnames partner, it's cheaper than snap and dropcatch and results are not bad for domains not backordered at snap retail for $79

davidc1 said:

try using a snapnames partner, it's cheaper than snap and dropcatch and results are not bad for domains not backordered at snap retail for $79

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No, I mean I can't afford to bid on good domains which are going to be contested.

Lord Antares said:

No, I mean I can't afford to bid on good domains which are going to be contested.

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it will not for a catched domain.

davidc1 said:

it will not for a catched domain.

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What do you mean?

Lord Antares said:

What do you mean?

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you can backorder or bid on a pending delete domain, the previous owner cannot renew it.

davidc1 said:

you can backorder or bid on a pending delete domain, the previous owner cannot renew it.

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Yeah but other people are going to bid on it too if it's any good.

Lord Antares said:

Yeah but other people are going to bid on it too if it's any good.

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Sure, that's why you need to backorder it (you make the order BEFORE expiration).
And NOT where the auction is PUBLIC. ---> snapnames or a service like mine.

davidc1 said:

Sure, that's why you need to backorder it (you make the order BEFORE expiration).
And NOT where the auction is PUBLIC. ---> snapnames or a service like mine.

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Yeah but other people will still backorder and we will go to a private auction, no?

Service like yours?

Lord Antares said:

Yeah but other people will still backorder and we will go to a private auction, no?

Service like yours?

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In snapnames yes, private if at least 2 customers backordered the same domain.

on my service it's rare, as I dont have hundreds of customers !
you can see here how it works in that case : https://www.namepros.com/threads/prnator-com-backordering-service-snapnames-based.982295/

I thought GD changed the way they handle Expired Domain Auctions (for domains held at GD). If you win the Expired Auction, I don't think the original owner can renew anymore (they used to be able to renew or transfer out for up to a week after the auction ended).

It used to happen to me quite a bit. I would win an Expired Auction at GD, but then the original owner renewed it or transferred it out before I could receive the domain name. But this rarely happens now at GD Expired Auctions. It might still happen if the name is NOT at GD.

Dynadot will issue refunds to original payment no problem just ask.

NameSilo does not charge $80 bucks during the grace period -it is $8.99.

Expired auctions are just that domains that will expire unless someone buys them for another year or the owner renews.

karmaco said:

Dynadot will issue refunds to original payment no problem just ask.

NameSilo does not charge $80 bucks during the grace period -it is $8.99.

Expired auctions are just that domains that will expire unless someone buys them for another year or the owner renews.

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Correct, I forgot that Dynadot posted on another thread that they changed that policy only recently, I did ask over a year ago, no response then nothing but credit, never any response to my queries, so bad customer service for me. Glad it works for you and others.

NS does charge after the few days Grace period but before it goes to the “auction” or whatever you want to call the sale, fortunately they charge the penalty to prevent some few domainers gaming the system w free appraisal then renewals.