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A worldwide shift away from .com?


Could it be?


I'm going to say that ccTLD's as a single entity are now the most relevant extensions period.
If you look at the UK, Germany, China, Russia, India, and Canada the ccTLD's are more widely used than the .com's.

There are a few exceptions like apple who will use apple.com/ca instead of apple.ca but the vast majority of companies like BestBuy.com will use BestBuy.ca for Canada. It absolutely shocks me at how dominant .ca is in Canada.

As the oldest extension .com's continue to have the biggest resale value but if you were to add up the sheer number of all ccTLD's they would easily surpass .com registrations.

So because each country code is unique the ccTLD's can never have the same numbers of registrations as the .com's but if you were to consider all the ccTLD's as one extension they would comfortably surpass .com registrations.

I think the trend of ccTLD's will continue on an upward scale, I think .com has plateaued and will only see nominal growth moving forward. ccTLD's will continue to grow as each countries economy grows and becomes more connected.

As a Canadian, when I do a google search I don't even look at .com's because I want to shop in Canadian dollars and same goes for people from Russia, China, UK etc.

As the Trumps of the world alienate other countries you will see more of a shift away from .com as other countries try to distance themselves from the USA.

Take Canada as a for instance.... the greatest ally the USA has ever had and Trump blew off Canadians as if they were yesterday's news, slapping tariffs on their goods and basically saying very inappropriate things about their leader. By comparisons other countries have been very reserved to bring any criticisms towards the USA. It is undeniable though that the populations of each country are feeling more and more alienated by the usa and because .com is perceived as being dominantly U.S. the entire future of the extension will see limited growth as other countries bring in protective measures for their economies.

So I personally think the future growth of the .com industry is directly linked to how open the US economy is. With Tariffs on other countries there will be repercussions and the .com's will slowly start to erode as other countries shy away from anything that could even remotely be considered american.

Please try to keep this a civil discussion and understand that you cannot look at the .com from yesterday, we are looking at times that are very different where most countries are looking seriously at protecting their own economies by asking the population to shop local products. A .com will NEVER be a local address unless it is in the USA.

In closing..... it is entirely feasible that another extension like .global could eventually become the new international extension for companies as the world distances itself from the USA. Will it be .global, .international, .business etc.... that is anyone's guess but I can tell you for sure, a lot of companies will second guess relying on a .com for local commerce.
 
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Each country has its own rules for commerce and to give an example.... if BestBuy went to China then BestBuy.cn would be the choice to go with because people can buy in local currencies. So arguing the point you are making does not make sense, BestBuy.com is one domain when they will probably eventually have BestBuy dot country code for every country they do business in. How can you even remotely argue that ccTLD's are not replacing the .com's? Each company has numerous ccTLD's to one .com!

Used to be companies would do business the old way like Apple does..... Apple.com/ca but even in that case Apple still owns the .ca and forwards it to the .com.

ccTLD's will, and already have, outgrown the .com's and anyone that does not see this is..... well.... you know..... wrong.

Remember I am not saying ccTLD's will be more valuable, I am saying they will be more plentiful and that is precisely why they will dramatically outgrow the .com's.
Simple question.

You own pigeon shit names in dot com, guess Rick influenced you on this one with pigeonshitdomains.com

and the .ca version is free to hand reg. right now. What was your first option? .com
why? because it was available for hand reg.

So it goes like this, no shift is gonna happen.

If you are talking about number of registrations, which I didn't see or missed the point in your original post, than of course there is a big chance that ccTLDs and new gTLDs together would make more reg. than dot com. But hey, we are talking about hundreds of extension against one in registration numbers.

Would you call that a shift?
 
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OP: Do you mean outgrow as in...more and more of these extensions will be created...? Is that your definition of growth?

I’d define growth as in use of the domains, not to mention sales volume both in numbers and of course - far and away - by dollars, in use, sales volume and sales dollars, dot com remains far and away #1. If your thread title were something like “Other extensions are being created rapidly” that would be one thing but as it stands your thread title is misleading, flat out wrong and, frankly, click bait.

@xynames there is no such thing as sales of extensions, that is only what we in the domaining business say. For companies it is only use of domains and by use I say that ccTLD's in number (as a whole) will dramatically outpace a single extension called.com.

It is not inconceivable that if a new company from.... lets say China uses it's company name in every ccTLD it does business with. If this company does no business in the states because of Trump policies it is not inconceivable that a whole slew of theses businesses will bypass .com's completely. Especially because perception is that .com's are controlled by the USA.

Sales volume in dollars only has a meaning to a very tiny amount domainers. The rest of the world just looks at domains as an address and ccTLD's are plentiful and as long as .com's are being hoarded companies are going to use ccTLD's as viable alternatives.
 
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If you are talking about number of registrations, which I didn't see or missed the point in your original post, than of course there is a big chance that ccTLDs and new gTLDs together would make more reg. than dot com. But hey, we are talking about hundreds of extension against one in registration numbers.

Would you call that a shift?

Yup, I would for sure call it a shift. There are millions of companies around the world that do not use .com's. They are perfectly content using their own ccTLD. There are a limited amount of big players willing to pony up for .com's and that is why that market will become stagnant. Sure there will always be sales but the numbers will go to the ccTLD's.

Millions and Millions of businesses worldwide are running on ccTLD's with no intention of EVER owning a .com. Some bigger entities will want the .com but those are mostly technology companies or very large global companies. Most of the global companies already have their domain and the idea that the sheer mass of speculative .com's held by investors will ever find a home is pretty optimistic if not totally unrealistic.
 
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Yes, end users will spend serious money on web development, Seo, online and offline advertising as well as IT costs, business travel, professional services, etc and not blink an eye at the cost. But when it comes to the selection of a domain name for a business or product launch quite often it seems a domain is chosen based on whatever is available for reg fee. That might be a hyphenated or cctld or .Net or new domain. But that does not make investing in cctld domains any better than .Net or new tlds. How often do we see big sales of cctld domains (how many countries have their own extension?) compared to .com?
 
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I don't see any shift from .COM.

The stats according to NameBio -

Last 5 years -

.COM sales -
298.7K total sales
$499.1M dollar volume

All ccTLD sales -
25.9K total sales
$58.7M dollar volume

All ccTLD are 8.6% of total sales of .COM.
All ccTLD are 11.7% of dollar volume of .COM.

2018 -

.COM sales -
66.7K total sales
$81.3M dollar volume

All ccTLD sales -
3.9K total sales
$9.3M dollar volume

All ccTLD are 5.8% of total sales of .COM.
All ccTLD are 11.4% of dollar volume of .COM.

While NameBio only reports a fraction of total sales, it is still a good statistical reference point.

The original post just seems like wishful thinking to me.

Brad
 
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If I would have a (domain for a) car - business in CA, then I would prefer the ccTLD ".ca" over the TLD ".com" and at the same time I would prefer the TLD ".com" over the TLD ".car" while I would prefer the TLD ".top" over the ccTLD ".ca".

Well, which TLD would have my domain for my car - business in CA then?
Who knows the answer?
 
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I don't see any shift from .COM.

The stats according to NameBio -

Last 5 years -

.COM sales -
298.7K total sales
$499.1M dollar volume

All ccTLD sales -
25.9K total sales
$58.7M dollar volume

All ccTLD are 8.6% of total sales of .COM.
All ccTLD are 11.7% of dollar volume of .COM.

2018 -

.COM sales -
66.7K total sales
$81.3M dollar volume

All ccTLD sales -
3.9K total sales
$9.3M dollar volume

All ccTLD are 5.8% of total sales of .COM.
All ccTLD are 11.4% of dollar volume of .COM.

While NameBio only reports a fraction of total sales, it is still a good statistical reference point.

The original post just seems like wishful thinking to me.

Brad

Hi Brad

Thanks for participating

Nobody is arguing sales dollar numbers, I am stating domains in use, I have mentioned this a number of times in this topic but understandable it's getting a bit long to read in total.

Look at it like this....

Number of .com's in actual use (not horded)

Number of ccTLD's actually in use worldwide.

.com is losing ground fast

Resale value is only for us on namepros, a business only wants their address, they are generally not looking at resale value.
 
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A worldwide shift away from .com?

Could it be?

A .com will NEVER be a local address unless it is in the USA.

Which doesn't explain why more and more Swedish companies are buying up .coms and using them with their .se domains redirecting to the .com addresses.
 
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Hi Brad

Thanks for participating

Nobody is arguing sales numbers, I am stating domains in use, I have mentioned this a number of times in this topic but understandable it's getting a bit long to read in total.

Look at it like this....

Number of .com's in actual use (not horded)

Number of ccTLD's actually in use worldwide.

.com is losing ground fast

Resale value is only for us on namepros, a business only wants their address, they are not looking at resale value.

The majority of people here are domain investors. Reported sales are certainly relevant when it comes to that. It shows end users are still willing to pay a massive premium for .COM.

Your original post seems based more on anecdotal evidence, opinion, and theoretical speculation of what might happen. Do have any hard data to back up your assertions?

Brad
 
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It's all about supply and demand, not a shift in in the use of cctld vs .com's.

Companies 99% of the time will attempt to acquire the .com first no matter what country they reside in.

When the .com is taken, or just simply not in their budget, they will search out the next best thing.

These situations also do not influence the domain market at all.

There will always be another buyer right around the corner for a desired .com.

Cctld's are nothing new to the industry.

They are just another option for the enduser to consider.

If you really follow the market, you will see that "good" .com's are becoming harder to obtain.

Supply....Demand.
 
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If you really follow the market, you will see that "good" .com's are becoming harder to obtain.

And again that makes my case stronger, with the low availability of .com's the new adaptation will be much slower than with ccTLD's

We have not even addresses the fact that gTLD's will take some of the market.

REMEMBER I AM TALKING ABOUT NUMBER OF DOMAINS IN USE

You guys keep pointing at sales dollars when I have already stated numerous times that I am not talking about sales in dollars but actual registration numbers in use. If you remove the speculative .com's that are being horded the ccTLD's have a worldwide have a commanding lead and that has to be the case because of the sheer numbers of available domains in ccTLD's.

The influence of the .com is slowly eroding not to gTLD's but to ccTLD's

I keep seeing the discussions on namepros of .com vs gTLD when really it is the ccTLD's that are making the biggest headway.

Taking the dollar values out of that I don't see how anyone can argue that.
 
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recently,I joined a startup event, i found they are using any possible extention which fit their need, .co is quite popular, .com, .video, and I even see one startup using .ag....(I did not see any .ai or .io there)

guess why they use ag?for farm related tech.ag=agraculture

I did not study more, given it is just 1 single event, so not sure if this rep a trend or not...just want to share...
 
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Companies 99% of the time will attempt to acquire the .com first no matter what country they reside in.

When the .com is taken, or just simply not in their budget, they will search out the next best thing.

I doubt that's the case. I'm sure this is how it works for US companies and big globally operating tech companies but thats basically a niche and sure as hell doesn't represent 99% of the (potential) endusers. It is where the biggest sales are, I give you that.

For most average businesses .com is the next best thing, and second choice after the ccTLD or a defensive registration.

It would take me just minutes to come up with a 100 European companies using a ccTLD with the .com being available at reg fee. Why would a German contractor care about the .com? A .de works better. Even a hyphenated .de would work better. For them a .com is worthless but they would probably pay decent money for the .de.

I could be wrong but I guess the same goes for the bigger part of Asia.

These companies are probably not the ones most domainers target as they won't spend thousands on a domain but they do represent the biggest chunk of registered domains in use.
 
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Sorry but that is not quite correct....

ccTLD's are actually in use and readily available for businesses as they need them. In most cases there is no need to hoard them because by adding a second word in most cases you can register your desired domain. The usage stats you see on them are domains mostly in use as opposed to millions of them collected for speculation.

Post again with statistics, not thought bubbles.

It is not too late to invest in .com, but it is too late if you think .global could take over, or that cctlds are growing strongly, that is nonsense.
 
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Post again with statistics, not thought bubbles.

Thought experiments are known to be serious, verifiable, and certifiable business.
 
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Your original post seems based more on anecdotal evidence, opinion, and theoretical speculation of what might happen. Do have any hard data to back up your assertions?
Some stats from Centr: https://stats.centr.org/stats/global
PDF report: https://www.centr.org/library/library/statistics-report/centrstats-global-tld-report-2018-3.html

It would take me just minutes to come up with a 100 European companies using a ccTLD with the .com being available at reg fee. Why would a German contractor care about the .com? A .de works better. Even a hyphenated .de would work better. For them a .com is worthless but they would probably pay decent money for the .de.
It's true, a lot of names registered in ccTLDs are available in .com.
They may be nice to have, but still would remain unregistered. Many small businesses operate nationally or locally, and don't feel like they need to secure the .com.

If you take for example Dutch or Polish names. They are valuable in their respective extensions but could be worth nothing in .com. I mean it.
Dutch names are valuable in .nl and to some extent in .be. Not in other extensions, because Dutch is hardly spoken outside these countries. Same for Polish, it's spoken in Poland mainly and so does not need a global (foreign) extension.
The last time I went to the Netherlands I saw .nl everywhere. If I remember correctly I saw just one .eu, one .org and three .com. And it was multinational companies like ING or Philips.

But for international languages like English and to some extent Spanish, French etc .com has more appeal.

Europe in particular has strong extensions, and people are more likely to favor their ccTLD over .com because the proximity is implied.
When you are a big company, it's a different story. .com is more or less required to serve your international ambitions. Personally I have seldom set up businesses without securing the .com because you never know :)
 
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Yup, I would for sure call it a shift. There are millions of companies around the world that do not use .com's. They are perfectly content using their own ccTLD.
has it just been that way since the beginning? I mean is it really a "worldwide shift away from .com" if there have always been these companies not using .com..
sounds like you mean increased growth of ccTLDs.
.com and ccTLDs can grow alongside each other.
There are a limited amount of big players willing to pony up for .com's and that is why that market will become stagnant.
why stagnant, what about the behemoth that is the US economy?? doesn't that make up the vast majority of .com?
ecomony* :P

there isn't a good global alternative to .com.. maybe a few people will say "fuck the US, I'm using this random extension, dot global!"lol, but I doubt there's ever going to be a huge movement to another extension.
and..who is .global controlled by? :P
 
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There are millions of companies around the world that do not use .com's. They are perfectly content using their own ccTLD.

Not even true. This is your opinion.

Your thread title may be your belief (although I doubt even you believe it) but not one person here buys it.

There is no shift. This thread supposedly invited open discussion but all we’re hearing from the OP is obstinent offering of opinion which he claims to be fact.

I’m fine with someone offering opinion but when opinion is falsely claimed to be fact it gets people's goads up.
 
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Well if .com usage is shifting, it should show in Alexa ranks, right?
 
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In Sweden, the number of.SE names are increasing year by year, but still the sales on the aftermarket is slower than ever.

Just a single example: Video.se was in a Sedo auction two days ago, but only got one single bid of 250 Euro (did not sell). I can also see the same thing going on on Swedish aftermarket platforms, such as Tradera etc...
 
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In Sweden, the number of.SE names are increasing year by year, but still the sales on the aftermarket is slower than ever.

That is unusual, because most cctlds are stagnant or falling, especially the established economies. Over the last few year they have grown at around 1% per year compared to about 3% for .com. Recently that has changed to overall decline for cctlds.

The only thing holding up overall numbers is the 21 million .tk's, which are free and are kept by the registry even if the owner lets them expire. .tk is now 15% of total cctld numbers.

Eventually .com may go into decline as well but it is by far the only investment grade extension.
 
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There seem to be several discussions happening here.

One is about the absolute number of domains being actually used for live sites.

Another is about the absolute number of domains registered.

Another is about which extensions are best to invest in, which is not what the OP was talking about, though shifting use patterns would make you wonder what to invest in and how resale values would be affected.

Another is about whether politics or the behaviour of countries may shift use patterns.

You may know that the .in registry can cancel domains that offend against India's morals. So if they cancel a lot of questionable domains on moral or political grounds and people hear about it, people in those sectors would not want to use .in, at least not for those uses such as adult content.

So in a world of trade wars and aggressive rhetoric towards other countries it is an interesting question to consider whether that makes people less likely to use .com for live sites, which is not the same as registering domains defensively or for resale. Part of any answer to that is to consider to what extent people outside the USA associate .com with the USA, probably not a lot, but also to what extent decision makers see risk in using a domain they see as controlled by the USA, and a newly unpredictable USA at that.
 
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I'm going to say that ccTLD's as a single entity are now the most relevant extensions period.
If you look at the UK, Germany, China, Russia, India, and Canada the ccTLD's are more widely used than the .com's.

It has never been otherwise
 
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One can make money from .com and cctlds.
Domaining in your country's cctld might actually be a very good idea.
But if you seek exponential growth with no limit, .com is king.

100 replies in 24hours and lots of good information, thank you @MapleDots for starting the debate.
 
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That is unusual, because most cctlds are stagnant or falling, especially the established economies. Over the last few year they have grown at around 1% per year compared to about 3% for .com. Recently that has changed to overall decline for cctlds.

The only thing holding up overall numbers is the 21 million .tk's, which are free and are kept by the registry even if the owner lets them expire. .tk is now 15% of total cctld numbers.

Eventually .com may go into decline as well but it is by far the only investment grade extension.

I downloaded an image that shows the .se growth from: https://www.iis.se

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