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gTLD's are we repeating ourselves?

.global vs .international


.web vs .website

Seems to me global is better and .web is better

There has to be a culling at some point in time, I cannot see this type of duplication continuing in the long run.

Even

.com vs .company

If we use that as an example then .net would have to be .network

or .org vs .organization

All seems a bit convoluted to me (n)
 
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Yes but this is a domain investors forum and we should be worried since this is a blatant attack on this industry.


Because almost all the good names are owned by domain investors for reselling purposes and registries want that extra cash to be theirs.


Plenty of quality names are available, even in .COM (through aftermarket, auctions, and closeouts) so why risk it in ngTLDs where reg and renewal fees are substantially more than the older gTLDs? How would you feel if your names get 'premiumed' and now the registry is asking x20 the standard reg/renewal fee? It happens.

ngTLDs are good for end users, ngTLDs are bad for investors.
So then worry then :)

But even if you worry and even if we are at domain investors forum, we need to work with what is available to us ..worring will not help to achieve anything good or positive for domain investor. We need to analyse what we can get from all new gTLD thing for ourselves, and what we cannot get, we cannot get, it is as easy as that. Just imo.

Remark about renewal fees : renewal fees for many new gTLDs ARE significantly lower then for .com names (but only if you know what/where/when you are doing). Many people are happily paying their local registratr $60/year for name when they can get the same name for $3/year just be transferring it to somewhere else ...
and then no one can help them if they are not paying attention, or have no knowledge whatsoever...
 
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My understanding is that a domain name that stays registered cannot be later changed to premium, it is only when domains expire that, in a few cases, the registry convert them into premium (as .co and a few country codes now do as well). Am I wrong in this thinking? Have there been cases where a ngTLD that was continuously registered was changed to premium?

I know there have been claims of that on NPs, but the ones I recall were people misunderstanding and thinking that the deeply discounted initial year price was the regular price, and when faced with higher renewal they claim it had been converted to premium, but that was wrong.

For those who plan to hold or use a domain name for many years, I think that multi-year registration makes sense, and that is true for all types of domains, not just ngTLDs.

Bob
Absolutely correct :)
 
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Personally, I think it is (more or less) madness to allow and launch thousands of new domain extensions. Still, in my role as a domainer, I invest to make a profit. And as long I can sell them, I will go on. Also, I find it funny!

I am sure that there are people selling sushi, who are not in love with sushi, but still makes god damn good sushi.
 
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Thanks @Jay Ha I do recall that case but note that we never heard anything back from the OP, despite the offer of a registrar CEO from Epik to personally investigate. Note also that the registrar CEO said the following:

If you did not drop the domain, it would be pretty dodgy if the domain was re-priced as a premium name if it was GA before.

That to me is more definitive than an unsupported claim from someone not previously part of NPs who did not even respond (at least on thread) to the offer of help.

In one of the earlier claims it turns out that the actual high rate was not even the registrar it was registered at, but one of those dodgy firms that look up owner data from Whois and send an "invoice' at a ridiculous price that is really a transfer of your domain name to them.

I remain prepared to be convinced, but this thread did not convince me that it was done.

Bob
 
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Absolutely correct :)

Can you please provide a citation for that; for instance something in the actual contract language between ICANN and the registry that forbids it? I am only aware of a registry needing to give notice of a price increase to ICANN and the registrar, who then needs to give this information to the registrant.

Frank Schilling for instance was going to raise prices for existing registrations -
https://domainnamewire.com/2017/03/13/godaddy-drops-uniregistry-domain-names-due-to-price-hike

Later they backtracked on that, but I don't think it was because they were not able to as much as the negative reaction from it - https://domainnamewire.com/2017/04/03/uniregistry-backtracks-price-hike-existing-registrations/

Brad
 
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Can you please provide a citation for that; for instance something in the actual contract language between ICANN and the registry that forbids it? I am only aware of a registry needing to give notice of a price increase to ICANN and the registrar, who then needs to give this information to the registrant.

Frank Schilling for instance was going to raise prices for existing registrations -
https://domainnamewire.com/2017/03/13/godaddy-drops-uniregistry-domain-names-due-to-price-hike

Later they backtracked on that, but I don't think it was because they were not able to as much as the negative reaction from it - https://domainnamewire.com/2017/04/03/uniregistry-backtracks-price-hike-existing-registrations/

Brad
Just to clarify, my remark "absolutely correct" is related to following Bob's post:
"My understanding is that a domain name that stays registered cannot be later changed to premium, it is only when domains expire that, in a few cases, the registry convert them into premium (as .co and a few country codes now do as well)"

And it is really like that as far as I know. It means if you have registered your new gTLD names early, which means usually with low standard renewals, it will stay like it unless you drop the name. Then registry has right to reprice (aka simply attach some premium renewal to it) afaik. But not before you drop it. Or you can buy new gTLD names from early adopter and they will usually have low standard renewals attached to them, although they are high quality names. All claims so far that this is not happening according above logic were imo caused by the fact that registrants did not understand the first year discounting in new gTLDs, that is all :) I have read few posts here at Namepros about that, mostly from totally uninformed and pretty confused new investors, who do not know even what is the premium renewal...

In your post you are referring to something different, and this is is the change of price of standard renewal fee for particular new gTLD extension If I understand your post correctly. This of course can happen, it is not forbidden afaik, and it has already happened in several new gTLD extensions ...
 
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at first, it might seem that way, but maybe that's not the real problem.. it happens in .com too.
if wordglobal.com is taken, you might try something like word-global.com.
if global isn't very important to your name, but you want the same idea, you can go with wordinternational.com.
.international does seem like a silly extension though.

you could buy SacramentoPhoto.com, and someone else could be using SacramentoPhotography.com, SacramentoPhotographer.com, Sacramento-Photo.com..


but the great thing about .com and others is they give you quite a bit of flexibility when your name is taken.
maybe there are 20 companies named PhoenixDesign.
if Phoenix.design is taken, what are you supposed to do? you probably don't want a weird-looking name like WeArePhoenix.design or.. PhoenixInterior.design, if that's your niche. I guess you only have a couple other decent options like phoenixdesign.group.

in .com, you can do all kinds of things, and the domain will still be memorable enough.
designsbyphoenix.com
wearephoenix.com
phoenixdesign[location].com
phoenix-design.com
[some memorable phrase].com affordabledesign.com flywithphoenix.com :xf.cool:
phoenix[something]design.com phoenixinteriordesign.com
tryphoenixdesign.com

or you can use any other generic extension without adding a random word to your name..
phoenixdesign.org, .co, .io, .net, local .ccTLD,...
instead of .services, .solutions, .group, .whatever.

even the most generic new TLDs are a bit silly.
.website :xf.rolleyes: .site.. .online.. yes, we know we're online :meh: .xyz :xf.grin:
 
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Just to clarify, my remark "absolutely correct" is related to following Bob's post:
"My understanding is that a domain name that stays registered cannot be later changed to premium, it is only when domains expire that, in a few cases, the registry convert them into premium (as .co and a few country codes now do as well)"

And it is really like that as far as I know. It means if you have registered your new gTLD names early, which means usually with low standard renewals, it will stay like it unless you drop the name. Then registry has right to reprice (aka simply attach some premium renewal to it) afaik. But not before you drop it. Or you can buy new gTLD names from early adopter and they will usually have low standard renewals attached to them, although they are high quality names. All claims so far that this is not happening according above logic were imo caused by the fact that registrants did not understand the first year discounting in new gTLDs, that is all :) I have read few posts here at Namepros about that, mostly from totally uninformed and pretty confused new investors, who do not know even what is the premium renewal...

In your post you are referring to something different, and this is is the change of price of standard renewal fee for particular new gTLD extension If I understand your post correctly. This of course can happen, it is not forbidden afaik, and it has already happened in several new gTLD extensions ...

I understand what you are saying in an individual premium vs standard renewal, but the result is often the same for an end user. They just see the price going way up and I don't believe there are any contractual limits on that.

I also don't know if existing registrations can be re-classified as premium, whether it has actually happened or not. There might be something in the contract that prevents it, but if so I am not aware of it. I trust written contracts much more than I trust the word of many registry operators.

There are also many ways the "standard renewal" could easily be abused. For instance say an extension like .Homes was sold to a company like Remax who wanted to use the major cities. They could easily just change the standard renewal fees to $100K/year and basically be able to reclaim those domains for their own use.

Brad
 
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I understand what you are saying in an individual premium vs standard renewal, but the result is often the same for an end user. They just see the price going way up and I don't believe there are any contractual limits on that.

I also don't know if existing registrations can be re-classified as premium, whether it has actually happened or not. There might be something in the contract that prevents it, but if so I am not aware of it. I trust written contracts much more than I trust the word of many registry operators.

There are also many ways the "standard renewal" could easily be abused. For instance say an extension like .Homes was sold to a company like Remax who wanted to use the major cities. They could easily just change the standard renewal fees to $100K/year and basically be able to reclaim those domains for their own use.

Brad
For your remark "I also don't know if existing registrations can be re-classified as premium, whether it has actually happened or not." I can definitely tell you that I have not heared even 1 single verified case of that so far. Not even one. If someone has such case please bring it on, as I will be the first one who will be scared in this case...I rely on fact that existing registrations with standard renewals CAN NOT be re-classified as premiums, and so far it works like that 100%. But again, if some one has different knowledge, I would really like to hear abou it.

As for hypothetical speculation about what can happen with standard renewals, I do no think they can be so easily abused as you wrote. New gTLDs are not really different in this aspects from many ccTLDs .. it could happen (in theory) there will be a price increase, but it is just a speculation. Registries need recurring income from registrations, this is their main source of income. If they price particular extension very high, domains will drop and there will be no income, so it is highly unlikely they will do so...There are also some other aspects, so in case someone would even change the price significantly, most probably there would be grandfathering of prices of existing registrations in place. Of course, you never have 100% guaranties of anything , but for that matter, I have read recently threads all over Namepros about price cap removing attempts for .com ...if I remember correctly...so here we go :)

The fact is that many (I will call them old school domain investors, with all the due respect) always talks about how new gTLDs are expensive, while in many cases they are actually cheaper then .com, when we speak about renewals...

Saying all above, price increases can happen. Therefore any serious domain investor should (just my opinion) diversify among various new gTLD extensions, and not only that, also should diversify among various new gTLD registries. There are hundreds of new gTLD extensions now available and dozens of registries, so diversification is very easy to do.
 
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gTLD's are we repeating ourselves?
The (real / virtual) world is full of (analogue / digital) products that noone reallyyy needs - such products are professionallyyy produced for those who think they are in need of it and if they have the money for such products (which means they have enough for important things), then they will buy it.
So in most most cases, those people are rich people and it is ok to receive their moneyyy

But of course it is possible that they (I for example) will buy it just as a speculative investment as they are aware of the described fact.

In this context, I love repeating
(the keyword of) TLDs, especially (from) one because I believe that this makes sense from a certain (primarily economical) viewww
 
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My understanding is that a domain name that stays registered cannot be later changed to premium, it is only when domains expire that, in a few cases, the registry convert them into premium (as .co and a few country codes now do as well). Am I wrong in this thinking? Have there been cases where a ngTLD that was continuously registered was changed to premium?

I know there have been claims of that on NPs, but the ones I recall were people misunderstanding and thinking that the deeply discounted initial year price was the regular price, and when faced with higher renewal they claim it had been converted to premium, but that was wrong.

For those who plan to hold or use a domain name for many years, I think that multi-year registration makes sense, and that is true for all types of domains, not just ngTLDs.

Bob

The registry can make the registration price what they like is my understanding.

For those who say there is price controls they should quote the Icann rule because I think there is none.
 
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I have read recently threads all over Namepros about price cap removing attempts for .com ...if I remember correctly...so here we go :)

Remember that .com price increases need to be approved by Icann and the US government. They've been frozen for years!

People take to the streets when a 5% rise is proposed. That is not like ntlds where nobody has the power to stop a rise because prices are not fixed or controlled. Even .net which is 100x bigger than any ntld is prone to price rises because not enough people care.
 
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Personally, I pay less for my gTLDs now than I did a three years ago. Reasons:

1. Many, non-premium names are sold with huge discounts nowadays (but with regular renewal fees).

2. There are more competition. Some registrars have cut their fees so the profit they are making per domain is really low. Same as some are doing with .com.

3. I have never experienced that the price of a new gTLD in my portfolio has risen. At least not dramatically.

However, I don't say that the prices may not rise now and then. Maybe I've been lucky until now?!
 
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The registry can make the registration price what they like is my understanding.

For those who say there is price controls they should quote the Icann rule because I think there is none.
No, there is no such case reported so far afaik that someone had a name with standard renewal and it was changed to premium pricing while it was registered. If you have at least 1 such example from 20 mil plus new gTLD registered names, please kindly bring it on :)
 
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Remember that .com price increases need to be approved by Icann and the US government. They've been frozen for years!

People take to the streets when a 5% rise is proposed. That is not like ntlds where nobody has the power to stop a rise because prices are not fixed or controlled. Even .net which is 100x bigger than any ntld is prone to price rises because not enough people care.
True, they have been frozen for years, that is correct. But what was true in past does not need necessarily to be true in future, as we are just learning...even small increase on com prices (if there will be any), can have large impact on people holding larger .com porfolios. If you have lets say 10 000 names, each 1 dollar on renewals increase counts ...
 
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The registry can make the registration price what they like is my understanding.
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Thank you for your comment but it misrepresents what I was responding to. My response dealt with the question whether a registry would change a domain name that was not designated as premium to become premium while it was still registered. I don't know of any cases where it has ever happened (I have looked into several where it was claimed, and none ended up being that. I was asking if anyone knew of cases where it had happened). I was not commenting on control of prices in general.
 
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Have there been cases where a ngTLD that was continuously registered was changed to premium?

I rely on fact that existing registrations with standard renewals CAN NOT be re-classified as premiums, and so far it works like that 100%. But again, if some one has different knowledge, I would really like to hear abou it.

Names can be changed from a standard fee to premium throughout an active registration period. As long as the registry hasn't reached its premium limit allocation, they can reclassify a domain as they see fit.

Here you go (see image below), this was a domain I had paid standard fees for, and then this time around my renewal failed because the registry had repriced to premium. BTW registrars have no control over this.

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Thank you very much @HotKey. I understand not wanting to give specific name publicly, but is it possible to give extension or at least the company name controlling the extension? I guess I have been lucky not to have encountered it yet.
 
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.ooo from infibeam

I guess I have been lucky not to have encountered it yet.
Most of us have been lucky I think, but really, we shouldn't have to relay on luck when it comes to domain pricing. We need consistency which breeds trust. Even though they only increased the price by literally a couple bucks, I let the name drop. Hots don't play that game -_-

We don't encounter it often because most registries have already classified all their extensions as standard/premium before release.
 
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Thanks @HotKey for this example!

But is this really all ? As this one example did not make me much scared, honestly :) I get it, few bucks increase for this one name, probably not that nice, but...

I think if this issue was something at least little serious, we would have compliants all over the place..but this is not happening atm.
 
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Thanks @HotKey for this example!

But is this really all ? As this one example did not make me much scared, honestly :) I get it, few bucks increase for this one name, probably not that nice, but...

I think if this issue was something at least little serious, we would have compliants all over the place..but this is not happening atm.

Uniregistry tried to do it with most of their extensions, that is what people should be worried about, when an entire extensions goes from $10/yr to $300/yr. I think a lot of this will come as registries really start to struggle financially.
 
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Uniregistry tried to do it with most of their extensions, that is what people should be worried about, when an entire extensions goes from $10/yr to $300/yr. I think a lot of this will come as registries really start to struggle financially.

No it has not tried to do it. With due respect, we are discussing here the fact "that existing registrations with standard renewals CAN NOT be re-classified as premiums". Here Hotkey gave us one example of 1 domain where this statement might not hold (while around 20 mil of new gTLDs are registered already). His example/my response has nothing to do with increases of standard renewal fees within particular extension, which is what you are probably trying to refering to.

So by your post you are just misleading people, as Uniregistry is not re-classifiying their standard renewals to premium renewals while domains are registered (I never heard of any example like that, again, if just one case like that would happen, it would be all over the place I am sure).

Please kindly post only information which is true.
 
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No it has not tried to do it. With due respect, we are discussing here the fact "that existing registrations with standard renewals CAN NOT be re-classified as premiums". Here Hotkey gave us one example of 1 domain where this statement might not hold (while around 20 mil of new gTLDs are registered already). His example/my response has nothing to do with increases of standard renewal fees within particular extension, which is what you are probably trying to refering to.

So by your post you are just misleading people, as Uniregistry is not re-classifiying their standard renewals to premium renewals while domains are registered (I never heard of any example like that, again, if just one case like that would happen, it would be all over the place I am sure).

Please kindly post only information which is true.

This is a strange argument, Uniregistry changed the reg fee from $10 to $300 on some strings for names already registered, they only backed down after GoDaddy ditched them for it. If you think $300 is somehow not premium pricing then good luck to you!
 
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